Re: Double First Name, 2nd Maiden Name, or Something Else? #galicia #general

Diane Jacobs

Could be Nussem if all the last couple if letters were unreadable.  Diane Jacobs 

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Subject: Re: [] Double First Name, 2nd Maiden Name, or Something Else? #galicia #general

Could Hoffert be a previous husband's name and Nuseaue (or whatever it actually is) Esther's maiden name? 

As others have implied, an index is simply a finding aid.  Trust nothing, verify everything is my motto, lol.
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Reuven Mohr

I am specifically interested in my mother's mother's .... line, as I am more curious where this leads, than the other lines, where I feel I know enough living relatives, who don't really care for family history.

Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names

Susan H. Sachs

I have male relatives from Hungary, Austria-Hungaria or SubCarpathia whose Jewish name was Yitzhak (or variation of same) who were known as Ignatz.

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Adam Turner

I am not familiar with MorleyDNA, and so I can't comment on how it is predicting your father's haplogroup based on his autosomal data. But I would be very wary about taking MyHeritageDNA's ethnicity analysis at face value, even with a couple of non-randomly-selected Jewish DNA matches as "corroboration."

My ethnicity as MHDNA estimates it is 88% Ashkenazi Jewish, 7% Finnish, and 5% "West Asian - Mizrahi Jewish." The same data run through AncestryDNA, which has a much larger user base to draw on for its reference samples, comes out as 100% "European Jewish."

My late grandfather's DNA test has even bigger discrepancies: per AncestryDNA, he is 99% European Jewish and 1% non-Jewish Eastern European. per MHDNA, he is...75% Ashkenazi, 15% "Italian", 1% Baltic, and 8% Sephardic Jewish. It makes very little sense to me how my grandfather could supposedly have 23% Southern European ancestry, yet my own DNA actually ended up with zero of whatever markers are supposedly typical of these ethnic groups. Much more likely to me is that MHDNA's ethnicity analysis isn't worth the pixels it's printed on, and whatever reference samples they are using to power this feature of the product are probably small enough that lots of customers' results end up with quite a bit of nonsense.

Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

David Ziants

Use of ben Avraham is generally for converts. I think that ben Yisrael ("son of Israel") would be more appropriate for the scenario you mention.

David Ziants


Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Gerald and Margaret

Do make contact with a Jewish charity helping the small scattered communities in Belarus.  It's called the Together Plan, with a director in London and one in Minsk.  They will know how to connect withe older members and cast a light on your family custom.  

Margaret Levin 
London N3

Re: Seeking a list of victims of the Dubno massacre of 1941 #holocaust #poland #russia

Yariv Timna <ytimna@...>

Yad Vashem has two lists from Dubno massacre.
One from the Soviets and one from a researcher named Gennadiy Vinnitsa.
Only about 1/6 of the murdered were found.
Try contacting Yad Vashem.

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Dahn Cukier

Access: MyHeritage did not permit access to the DNA section when my cousin
was visiting (Israel) from the US.

She had no problem accessing other databases.

Data: The data from Ancestry is probably larger, but not better. If a cousin
tests with one company and does not share the data with the one
you have accesses, they will not show up.

Autosomal testing is quit confusing. I have relatives
my sister, mother and father's brother do not. Many of the entries
are the fine, but there are a few dozen unique too each
of us, the same for another sister/sister test I know of. Yes,
I am listed as my mothers child and uncle/nephew of my uncle,
and sibling of my sister.

Downloading matches. MyHeratage has/had a way to download all your matches
as a spreadsheet file. Ancestry has no way to download data and since they
updated the way to review data, is very poor considering I have
a few hundred new matches every month and well over 5000 "4th cousins and
closer" and full access to 9 tests.


On Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:56:14 PM GMT+3, Alex Fuchs <xxa@...> wrote:

I agree with David,
For best results, you need the most matches, and Ancestry has the biggest database by a mile.

You can always upload Ancestry results to others, but not vise versa.
I have more discoveries from Ancestry matches than from others combined.
Alex Fuchs

are there benefits of the My Heritage site over Ancestry #general

Barbara & David Israel

I currently subscribe to the full and and I see there are
special offers on My Heritage. Can anyone tell me about the European records that My
Heritage offers? Just trying to decide if adding more money to search more sites in a
good idea. Thanks ahead of time for any input.

Barbara Israel
Tempe, AZ

Re: Gershon Kleinman from Warsaw #poland

Sherri Bobish


At I found Dora Kleinman's naturalization papers.  Some very interesting info there.

She was born in Warsaw.  It lists her husband as George, born in Lebrina, Poland.

It says that her husband resides at Welfare Island Hospital.

It lists the sons David, Solomon (born Poland) and Albert (born NY.)

I hope this link to the nat page works:


Sherri Bobish
Princeton NJ

Re: Birth records in New York, #usa

Stephen Weinstein

Go to and try the four links that say "Searching the New York City Birth Index".

Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Sherri Bobish


There are many possible explanations:

1.  The birth record or the tombstone are incorrect.
2.  Meier was his birth father, and Avraham was a step-father.
3.  The birth record you found was for someone else, i.e. a cousin of your grandfather who was born in the same town in the same year.

Do you have any other documents which may list his father's name, i.e. marriage record?


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Deportation from U.S. ports back to Eastern Europe #general

Judi Wagner

OMG, I think I found them!!!
Eliane 11 and Vilet 10 arriving on the USS Manhattan from Genoa  6 Apr 1940
going to uncle, A HIRSCHFELD ( my grandfather was Alexander) at 3055 33rd St in Astoria,
 they lived in Astoria, not at that address that I know, but they also moved a few times in Astoria, I can check if they ever lived at that address, but that would be too coincidental not to be them!
It says they were born in Paris France, which we totally had no idea, and came from a grandmother, R Roth in Budapest.  
Thank you so very much for the suggestions to check out passenger manifests.
Aren't jewish genners the best?
Thank you, I will call my relative tomorrow

Re: Birth records in New York, #usa

Sherri Bobish


I see this family on the 1900 census in Deerfield, Cumberland County, NJ. 

According to the census, Samuel's wife (spelled Clarrah) has given birth to 9 children and 5 are living.

If this is accurate, she lost 4 children.

Daughters Anna & Rachel (born Romania) are living with them.

Children Fannie & Harry (born NJ) are living with them.

Daughter Sarah (spelled Sarrah) born Pennsylvania, is living with them.

Two cousins, both born Romania, are also living with them.

Samuel states he is naturalized.  Occupation: tailor.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Deportation from U.S. ports back to Eastern Europe #general

Judi Wagner


I do not know the name of the first wife, or the daughters of Miksa.  His second wife was Pepi.
They lived abroad, and the girls came to the US in the 1930s.  I am guessing they still lived in Hungary/Romania then, because Miksa was in a labor battalion in 1942, and must have gotten to Israel with his second wife and the children later.  

It is possible that the children went to live with other relatives of their mother.
I still have an elderly relative, a nephew of my grandfather and Miksa, that is a holocaust survivor living in Brooklyn.  He would dearly love to find out about these women or their families.  I have been searching for years, and this relative is very unwell, and not as mentally functioning as in years past.  


Re: Let's Introduce Ourselves #bessarabia

Judi Wagner

My husbands maternal grandfather was Charles/Kalman WEINSTEIN/VAYNSHTEYN, and he was born in Khotyn/Hotin Bessarabia  in 1901.  His father was Samuel/Schmuel WEINSTEIN and his mother was Sarah/Sure Philstein-Germin.  Charles came to NYC in 1923, and his ticket was paid by his brother, Meyer, already in the US.  We know they were other siblings in Bessarabia.  A brother Boruch, and either he or his son went to Israel.  A sister Rickle, and another sister, we do not know the name.  A brother Yankel.  A brother Moishe.  I have photographs of the brother Moishe, his wife, his mother in law, and two sons.  We thought all perished in the holocaust.  I joined the Khotyn page on Facebook, and lo and behold, only a very short few weeks ago, I see the very same photo!!  I am stunned!  I immediately write to the person that put up the photo.  It is the daughter of the youngest boy in the photo.  Unbeknownst to us all, this child survived and went to Montevideo Uruguay.  We are corresponding using google translate, and as soon as the covid virus allows travel again, we are planning to meet,  I would be very excited to go to Uruguay.  We are sharing other photographs and stories.  She and her sister are very anxious to hear about the family living in the US and their children and grandchildren.  She is a docent at the holocaust museum there.  This is one of the very most exciting things that has happened since I started doing research for my husband's family.  

Is this name the same? #names

MaryAnn Povtak

Is the name MOVSHA another name for Moses? 




Deciphering Manifest -- "Gachef"? #romania


I'm researching an ancestor, Max Finkelstein, and I think I found him on the last line of the attached manifest page.  Under "Last Residence," it appears to say "Gachef."  He's Romanian, but there does not appear to be a town by that name in Romania (or anywhere else for that matter.  Any ideas what it's referring to? 

Much thanks for any help.
Keith Blackman

Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation


VM 83204

In Russian:




Состоялось в городе Лублин 22-го августа (4-го сентября)  1901 года в 10 часа утра.  Явился еврей: Барух-Мордка Вайсблех, работник, 41-го года, житель города Люблина, в присутствии свидетелей Берки Тухмана, домовладельца, 39-и лет и Шимона Менделя, работника, 49-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 638, 17-го (29-го июля)  1898-го года в 11 часов утра от него и законной жены Хаи, урожденной Фриш, 35-и лет.  Девочке этой дано имя Вита.  Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

Барух-Мордка Вайсблех

Берка Тухман

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния, Штабс-капитан  Подпись


Translate into English:






It took place in the city of Lublin on August 22 (September 4) 1901 at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Baruch-Mordka Weisblech, an employee, 41 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of witnesses Berka Tukhman, a homeowner, 39 years old, and Shimon Mendel, an employee, 49 years old, residents of the city of Lublin, and presented us with a girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, at house number 638, on the 17th (29th July) 1898 at 11 o'clock in the morning from him and Chaya's legal wife, nee Frisch, 35 years old. This girl was given the name Vita. The later statement is not justified by anything. This act was read to those present, they and we signed.


Baruch-Mordka Weisblech


Berka Tukhman


Shimon Mendel


Civil Status Officer, Headquarters Captain Signature

marriage record from Zilina #hungary #slovakia

Margarita Lacko

After many years of searching, at last I found one record where it mentions my 2nd cousin once removed, Vera KRAUS.


According to Vera, her grandfather David WEISZ and my father’s grandmother Netti (Jenny) WEISZ were siblings. I didn’t find any proof of this, yet.


According to her, her parents were Martin KRAUS (b. abt. 1895 Turka, Poland) and Anna WEISS (b. abt. 1902 St. Péter, near Komaron, Slovakia).  

Vera KRAUS was born 1926 in Brezno, Slovakia. Vera survived the Holocaust, her parents didn’t.  


Vera was not very good with details. She married, went to Israel and had a son, Roni, who died in the Yom Kippur war (October 1973). She did not tell me the name of her first husband (not sure if he died or if they divorced). I don’t even know when she arrived in Israel (legal or not).


I found this entry in JewishGen and would love to know if there are any more details in the original record. What was she doing in Zilina at such a young age???



KRAUS, Viera

Moric / Sara (WILSEK)

Martin / Anna (WEISS)






groom b. Teplice / bride b. Brezno

LSD 2086050 Item 6



Looking in , the LDS # seems to be only available on microfilm. Family History Libraries are now closed.


Is there any other way to find more information? Or do I have to have patience until it’s safe to go out again?


Margarita Lackó

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