Re: Verifying Portuguese Translation of Brazilian Immigration Paperwork #latinamerica #translation

Sandra Lilienthal

I will be happy to help you but can't do it today. Can look at the details on Wednesday if no one has done it yet.
The first thing I want to point out is that Brazilian dates are written DAY/MONTH as opposed to the American way.


Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general


Could also be that he worked in the diamond industry, see e.g. 

The History of the Asscher Cut

Although it was first introduced in 1902, the Asscher cut did not become popular until the 1920s.

It was created by the Asscher Brothers of Holland’s Asscher Diamond Company (now the Royal Asscher Diamond Company), who, at the time, were famous for cutting a 3,106 carat rough diamond. For decades after the Great Depression, Asscher cuts were primarily found in vintage jewelry stores, but the shape surged in popularity again during the early 2000s.
Ron Peeters 

Re: the English equivalent of Asnel or Zammel #names

Jill Whitehead

My great aunt was called Asne or Asnah. She was nicknamed Nessie. It is a Hebrew name, and  was passed down by the women in her (Litvak) family. it is quite common in Swedish Jewish families, whose ancestors came from the Suwalki Lomza gubernias, in NE Poland, on the border with Lithuania. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jill Whitehead

Suggest you contact the Jewish Genealogical Society of Ireland - Stuart Rosenblatt is they key contact. Quite a few Ashkenazi Jews lived in Belfast and Dublin, and one of my family married a Belfast Jewish family that had previously lived in Northern England. They went from England to Ireland for business purposes. 

You may also find info at the Northern Ireland Record office - PRONI - and its equivalent in Eire 

I don't buy the Sephardic explanation at all. One of the UK "Who  do you think you are?" programmes on the BBC a few years ago featured the Irish actress Dervla Kirwan, who found she had an unexpected Ashkenazi Jewish Great Grandfather who had changed his name, to hide his Jewishness. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Reuven Mohr

ok, thank you all for your suggestions.
In any case I'll wait till August and see if there are more sales - maybe a reduced fare for both, autosomal and mitochondrial test. 

Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Diane Jacobs

Too bad. We had the same meal and my mom was an excellent cook. Her kishka, potatoes kugel and potato latkes were the best. 

Diane Jacobs 

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Subject: Re: [] Shabbos meals #belarus

We were not religious, but every Friday nite it was chicken soup & chicken.    (And my mother was a lousy cook!)
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Double First Name, 2nd Maiden Name, or Something Else? #galicia #general

Diane Jacobs

Could be Nussem if all the last couple if letters were unreadable.  Diane Jacobs 

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Subject: Re: [] Double First Name, 2nd Maiden Name, or Something Else? #galicia #general

Could Hoffert be a previous husband's name and Nuseaue (or whatever it actually is) Esther's maiden name? 

As others have implied, an index is simply a finding aid.  Trust nothing, verify everything is my motto, lol.
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Reuven Mohr

I am specifically interested in my mother's mother's .... line, as I am more curious where this leads, than the other lines, where I feel I know enough living relatives, who don't really care for family history.

Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names

Susan H. Sachs

I have male relatives from Hungary, Austria-Hungaria or SubCarpathia whose Jewish name was Yitzhak (or variation of same) who were known as Ignatz.

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Adam Turner

I am not familiar with MorleyDNA, and so I can't comment on how it is predicting your father's haplogroup based on his autosomal data. But I would be very wary about taking MyHeritageDNA's ethnicity analysis at face value, even with a couple of non-randomly-selected Jewish DNA matches as "corroboration."

My ethnicity as MHDNA estimates it is 88% Ashkenazi Jewish, 7% Finnish, and 5% "West Asian - Mizrahi Jewish." The same data run through AncestryDNA, which has a much larger user base to draw on for its reference samples, comes out as 100% "European Jewish."

My late grandfather's DNA test has even bigger discrepancies: per AncestryDNA, he is 99% European Jewish and 1% non-Jewish Eastern European. per MHDNA, he is...75% Ashkenazi, 15% "Italian", 1% Baltic, and 8% Sephardic Jewish. It makes very little sense to me how my grandfather could supposedly have 23% Southern European ancestry, yet my own DNA actually ended up with zero of whatever markers are supposedly typical of these ethnic groups. Much more likely to me is that MHDNA's ethnicity analysis isn't worth the pixels it's printed on, and whatever reference samples they are using to power this feature of the product are probably small enough that lots of customers' results end up with quite a bit of nonsense.

Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

David Ziants

Use of ben Avraham is generally for converts. I think that ben Yisrael ("son of Israel") would be more appropriate for the scenario you mention.

David Ziants


Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Gerald and Margaret

Do make contact with a Jewish charity helping the small scattered communities in Belarus.  It's called the Together Plan, with a director in London and one in Minsk.  They will know how to connect withe older members and cast a light on your family custom.  

Margaret Levin 
London N3

Re: Seeking a list of victims of the Dubno massacre of 1941 #holocaust #poland #russia

Yariv Timna <ytimna@...>

Yad Vashem has two lists from Dubno massacre.
One from the Soviets and one from a researcher named Gennadiy Vinnitsa.
Only about 1/6 of the murdered were found.
Try contacting Yad Vashem.

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Dahn Cukier

Access: MyHeritage did not permit access to the DNA section when my cousin
was visiting (Israel) from the US.

She had no problem accessing other databases.

Data: The data from Ancestry is probably larger, but not better. If a cousin
tests with one company and does not share the data with the one
you have accesses, they will not show up.

Autosomal testing is quit confusing. I have relatives
my sister, mother and father's brother do not. Many of the entries
are the fine, but there are a few dozen unique too each
of us, the same for another sister/sister test I know of. Yes,
I am listed as my mothers child and uncle/nephew of my uncle,
and sibling of my sister.

Downloading matches. MyHeratage has/had a way to download all your matches
as a spreadsheet file. Ancestry has no way to download data and since they
updated the way to review data, is very poor considering I have
a few hundred new matches every month and well over 5000 "4th cousins and
closer" and full access to 9 tests.


On Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:56:14 PM GMT+3, Alex Fuchs <xxa@...> wrote:

I agree with David,
For best results, you need the most matches, and Ancestry has the biggest database by a mile.

You can always upload Ancestry results to others, but not vise versa.
I have more discoveries from Ancestry matches than from others combined.
Alex Fuchs

are there benefits of the My Heritage site over Ancestry #general

Barbara & David Israel

I currently subscribe to the full and and I see there are
special offers on My Heritage. Can anyone tell me about the European records that My
Heritage offers? Just trying to decide if adding more money to search more sites in a
good idea. Thanks ahead of time for any input.

Barbara Israel
Tempe, AZ

Re: Gershon Kleinman from Warsaw #poland

Sherri Bobish


At I found Dora Kleinman's naturalization papers.  Some very interesting info there.

She was born in Warsaw.  It lists her husband as George, born in Lebrina, Poland.

It says that her husband resides at Welfare Island Hospital.

It lists the sons David, Solomon (born Poland) and Albert (born NY.)

I hope this link to the nat page works:


Sherri Bobish
Princeton NJ

Re: Birth records in New York, #usa

Stephen Weinstein

Go to and try the four links that say "Searching the New York City Birth Index".

Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Sherri Bobish


There are many possible explanations:

1.  The birth record or the tombstone are incorrect.
2.  Meier was his birth father, and Avraham was a step-father.
3.  The birth record you found was for someone else, i.e. a cousin of your grandfather who was born in the same town in the same year.

Do you have any other documents which may list his father's name, i.e. marriage record?


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Deportation from U.S. ports back to Eastern Europe #general

Judi Wagner

OMG, I think I found them!!!
Eliane 11 and Vilet 10 arriving on the USS Manhattan from Genoa  6 Apr 1940
going to uncle, A HIRSCHFELD ( my grandfather was Alexander) at 3055 33rd St in Astoria,
 they lived in Astoria, not at that address that I know, but they also moved a few times in Astoria, I can check if they ever lived at that address, but that would be too coincidental not to be them!
It says they were born in Paris France, which we totally had no idea, and came from a grandmother, R Roth in Budapest.  
Thank you so very much for the suggestions to check out passenger manifests.
Aren't jewish genners the best?
Thank you, I will call my relative tomorrow

Re: Birth records in New York, #usa

Sherri Bobish


I see this family on the 1900 census in Deerfield, Cumberland County, NJ. 

According to the census, Samuel's wife (spelled Clarrah) has given birth to 9 children and 5 are living.

If this is accurate, she lost 4 children.

Daughters Anna & Rachel (born Romania) are living with them.

Children Fannie & Harry (born NJ) are living with them.

Daughter Sarah (spelled Sarrah) born Pennsylvania, is living with them.

Two cousins, both born Romania, are also living with them.

Samuel states he is naturalized.  Occupation: tailor.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

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