Re: Is this name the same? #names

Sherri Bobish


You asked:  "Is the name MOVSHA another name for Moses?"

Yes, it is.  Moses, Movsha, Moishe, and other variations.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Is this name the same? #names

Dr.Josef ASH

O, yes
as well as Moshe, Moishe, Moisej, Misha, Musa...

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna


Keep in mind that all admixture reports from all companies are still at the level of "for entertainment value only" -- and MyHeritage is the absolute clown of the bunch. They predict ancestry that is ridiculously false for basically everyone. (For me, it's Swedish; for my cousin, it's British Isles. Both of us actually have all of our ancestors squarely in the Carpathian Basin.)

Ashkenazi genetics is endogamous enough that it's pretty confidently identifiable, even by MyHeritage, but the percentages they report can be wildly different from other companies. When it comes to something like "West Asian", all bets are off: neither the reference populations nor the customer base have even remotely enough representatives from this area to come to any definitive conclusions.

What it comes down to is that despite what all the DNA companies would have you believe, geography is not genetic.

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Re: Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?) #usa #austria-czech

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

Although I said there weren't a lot of marriage licenses before 1900 in NYC, which is correct, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. 2 sets of my ggrandparents married in 1870, and both have marriage records.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Jeff Lieberman

Thanks, Sherri. I've been able to confirm that I have the correct birth record. I know he didn't have a good childhood, and he didn't like to talk about his birth family, so it's possible that my family never knew his father's name. (His mother died a few days after he was born from a postpartum infection, his father remarried, and, apparently, he felt rejected by his father & stepmother after they had a son of their own.) His marriage application only adds to the confusion since he listed his parents as Harry & Pearl, which wasn't true. Given the circumstances, it's possible that he avoided any mention of his parents or their actual names.

Re: IAJGS Conference Announcement #jgs-iajgs #education #events #announcements

Chuck Weinstein

They will be available when the Conference starts.  If you are registered, you will receive further information just before the Conference begins.  

Chuck Weinstein

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jerry Scherer

Your regions of ancestral origins are statistical estimates, based on the company’s database. Your Ethnicity Estimates are updated by the ancestry company, as more people get tested. Ancestry has a database of approximately 15 million, MyHeritage 4 million. My first estimates, with, showed that I was 95% European Jewish, next 99%.  The last update, shows that I’m 100% European Jewish. According to MyHeritage, I'm 94% Ashkenazi Jewish and 6% Sephardic Jewish. 

Re: Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?) #usa #austria-czech


One must not discount the possibility of mis-spellings on the original records. For several years, in the NYC Municipal Archives, I had searched for the marriage license of my maternal grandparents,  Charles Black & Nellie Cohen, married March 20, 1892.  I even tried using their Hebrew names - Yisrael Yechezkel and Nechama. I finally stumbled on it after using several combinations of spellings. They are listed on the license as  ESRIAL BLOCK and MILLIE COHEN.  Nellie's mother is listed as Mary CHONE. I suspect that some of the clerks in the office were, themselves, recent immigrants. On my mother's B.C., her parents are listed as coming from RUSHA.

Also, many times, a Jewish bride and groom only had a religious marriage, without it being registered by the city. 

Re: marriage record from Zilina #hungary #slovakia


Even before the plague, "reel-only" items were in a sort of limbo ever since FamilySearch discontinued microfilm distribution several years ago. (The materials and equipment had simply become cost-prohibitive.) Many (most?) of these films are actually digitized, as evidenced by the number in the catalog's DGS column, and they are actually online; they're just not on the parts of the FS servers that can be seen from the "front door". You need some form of "back door" access, for which there are various bits of software written by various genealogist-programmers around the world. The one I use was written by a Hungarian genealogist and computer whiz who lives in Germany but is one of the more active members of MACSE (the Hungarian genealogy association).

I can't seem to attach anything to messages in this interface, but I have looked up the marriage in question; it's on image 767 of digital film number 4946483. (Being 1942, it's in Slovak.)

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Genealogy Software For Family Trees #general


Hi Cousins,

I've decided it's time I got some software to make my family tree, but
there are so many to choose from, it's giving me a headache! So I
thought I'd ask for recommendations.

Here is what I need:

1. A program that lets me include every family member (siblings;
cousins; aunts and uncles; 1st, 2nd, etc. marriages; etc.) in one giant
family tree.

2. A program that lets me enter birth, marriage, death info that is
printed right on the tree itself, so I don't have to refer to any other

3. A program that will let me print out this tree, even if it means
taping together a whole bunch of sheets, and will also allow me to make
the tree into a PDF file, so I can share it via email.

4. A program that is a true family tree, not just sheets listing
people. (A cousin gave me a printout like that, and it's way too hard
to follow.)

5. The program must be compatible with Windows 10.

I am not interested in anything else. I don't care if the program has
search the Internet features or not. I don't care if it's capable of
uploading or downloading data. I just need to be able to consolidate
all the hand-drawn trees and other papers I have into one coherent tree.

Thank you!
Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Re: Find Address - 30 Osborn, Brooklyn NY #usa

Suzanne Fialkoff

Number 28-30 Osborn St.was an apartment building. It was enumerated in the 1925 Kings County Census in AD 23, ED 24, pages 49-50.

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Sarah L Meyer

Since he is in Israel, MyHeritage can not sell him a kit legally, nor can he upload his results there.  He could upload his results from FTDNA or Ancestry while on his vacation if his device did not show Israeli origination.  Thank the Chief Rabbinate for this.  They don't want people to find out that they are mamzers (the product of a religiously illegal marriage or adultery), because the religious laws against these people are so vile.  DNA is legal in Israel except for the "purpose of finding relatives".  However, I have ordered FTDNA kits that were shipped to Israel, and I have uploaded the results to MyHeritage, because I am in the US.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Paul Chirlin

Do all descendants of your great-grandfather all have similar Jewish DNA markers?  If they are only seen in one of his children's line it suggests differing parentage.   Is your father not DNA related to a known descendant?  

Lost relatives in New York #usa


I would love help with one of my (smaller) brick walls.  This is a long shot, but I'm out of ideas! My paternal grandmother came from the shtetl of Vselyb ouside Navardok (Novogrudok), Belarus. The family name was Berkovsky, changed to Brown by the first immigrant. In 1907, Kreine Berkovsy from that town came to NY and was met by her brother Wolf/Velvil. These are certainly my relatives (Kreine is a family name, and my own Jewish name). Our known Kreine and Wolf became Kate and William. I am hampered in tracking down the 1907 siblings by not having a clue what their names became, much less whom she married. Do they ring a bell with anyone in this group?  Happy for other search ideas, but I think my best hope is for somebody to recognize these people and who they became.

Carol Isenberg Clingan

Dedham MA


Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

C Chaykin

A note about DNA results... Two Jewish great grandparents may yield results similar to one Jewish grandparent, in terms of percentages of Jewish ancestry. (Ditto for four great great grandparents, etc.)

Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Paul Chirlin

Perhaps his father's formal Hebrew name was Abraham but he used Meier as his given name for example Abraham Meier Cohen.  As an aside I do not like the term "non-observant Jew" This man was religious enough that he has a Jewish grave.  Not being Orthodox or not being Kosher or not going to temple does not make one non-observant.   Rant over. 

Re: Find Address - 30 Osborn, Brooklyn NY #usa

Jessica Skippon

According to the Red Book Information Guide to Brooklyn 35th edition, (1933) Osborne Sreet ran from 1582 East New York Avenue south to Linden Boulevard. 30 Osborne Street was between #9 at Liberty Bgn and #57 at Glenmore Avenue. The next block was Pitkin Avenue.

It looks as though that area is now Howard Houses, a large housing estate in Brownsville, with no through roads. The Red Book shows East New York Avenue running from Liberty Avenue to Osborne Street to St Marks Avenue. Liberty Avenue no longer intersects East NY Avenue.

With respect to David Oseas and Steve Morse, Osborne Avenue was in Brownsville, a long way from Ocean Avenue, which begins at Empire Boulevard at Prospect Park.

Jessica Skippon
researching BORGER, BIRN. SCHANZER, JACHZEL in Galicia

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna


Family Tree DNA or FTDNA  has two offerings you will not find on Ancestry.  Both Y DNA direct  paternal line) and mitochondrial mt DNA (direct maternal line) are included in Family Tree DNA as optional testing results for a fee, with the sample you take and submit by doing a swab (the swab is easier to use for seniors who have trouble with saliva production). The Y and mt DNA profiles are not possible to achieve on the raw data transfer from Ancestry.  Family Tree DNA is the pioneer company who started genetic genealogy. People are confused because the company Ancestry jumped on board much later with specific interest in autosomal DNA.  Of course, they had a large public profile due to previous subscription programs for researching family history incorporating previous platforms like bulletin boards and Rootsweb initially and expanded ultimately incorporating autosomal DNA. Originally the interface was 1:1 comparison as Ancestry and 23 and Me and FTDNA all used the same chip.  A couple of years ago, Ancestry added medical analysis to their results. Because of this, the chip was changed to accommodate. So, there is some compromise in the number of SNPs that are transferred with raw data. If it were me, I would test with FTDNA and support the company who started it all and get the most SNPs I can. The cost has significantly dropped since I tested. I have tested with Ancestry too and think it is a good thing to do.  Ancestry will not accept transfer in raw data.  But a word of caution, those who think they are saving money should consider that when Ancestry changed their chip a couple of years ago to accommodate for medical information, they reduced their noon-medical SNP testing. The results are still valuable, but the transfer can miss information.  The Family Finder test uses the Illumina OmniExpress microarray chip. The chip includes about 696,800 autosomal single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). 23andMe examines about 690,000 predetermined SNPs. That may sound like a lot, but it is only 0.01 percent of the 6 billion DNA letters in the human genome. An excellent blog I suggest those interested read is Louis Kessler’s Behold Blog at: . This article has excellent charts to simplify the numbers and comparison.  Look at SNPs in common between companies before relying on transferring. I would test with both FTDNA and Ancestry and transfer FTDNA results to MyHeritage who uses the same chip as FTDNA, so it is generally a 1:1 match with a SD within range.  Importantly: FTDNA stores your sample for 25 years and thus can-do new testing without mailing costs as science progresses in the field. You can bequest your results to a descendant. You can study the Y and mt lines when you test with this company and if you cannot afford it today, it is on file to look at it later.  If you die, your grandmother dies and science advances and you are operating those kits, you can still learn from that DNA. Other companies do not store the samples.  So, every test you do would be another fee.  Finally, FTNDA does not carry the weight load of subscription fees.  When you test, you own the results. You can always upload to Gedmatch as well and those who upload from other companies can be compared there. If you meet a cousin who tested at Ancestry and you did not and they do not want to transfer results to FTDNA, then you can ask them to transfer to Gedmatch and compare at a neutral site.  Ancestry has a large data base. They have resources to advertise and brand familiarity, so it is well worth testing there too.  Remember people often do one test and do not transfer so the person you seek may be on another platform.
Susan Diamond

Re: Verifying Portuguese Translation of Brazilian Immigration Paperwork #latinamerica #translation


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:48 AM, Yaron Wolfsthal wrote:

The translation is fairly good. Typical Brazilian bureacratic jargon.

Some hints:

"Reg de Temporarios nº 794/58" = Registration of Temporary (residents) number 794 of the year 1958.
"ministerial order of 11/27/58" = ministerial order of 27-Nov-1958
"Sr. Cônsul do Brasil" = Mr. Consul of Brasil in Rivera, Uruguay.
"carteira selada com Cr$ 250,00" = means that the document has stamps that confirmed the payment of Cr$ 250 etc.
"colados e inutilizados" = glued and voided
"folha corrida" is not a payroll, it translates better as a background check issued by the police.
"in accordance with Resolution no. 109/1942 of the extinct C.I.C. DRS forwarded to the DIJ, on 3.12.59".
"apresentado pelo int." = presented by the interested party
"dauqle Depto." = from that Department (ortographic error)
"revealed the portfolio for one year" - Actually "Revalidated the portfolio for one year"

Hope it helps.

Flavio Baran

Re: Records from 1807-1811 #romania #bessarabia #ukraine

Yefim Kogan

Semion,  I found them at the FamilySearch database.

Are you up to work on some of them?  I am not talking about Old-Slavonic, but just Russian.
Let me know,

Thanks,  Yefim

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