Re: Genealogy Software For Family Trees #general

Max Heffler

Now if I could just sync my Brother’s Keeper (my master database) with my one tree on geni, it would be great!


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You forgot to inform us if you are computer comfortable.
Do you know how to create backup and can you create
the data on your own computer?

If so, I suggest Brother's Keeper for almost everything
you ask for.


Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project:

Searching Stein family from Hulon, Israel #israel

madeleine <mokladek@...>

For a friend - she is searching for Avram Stein and his sister Mattie born in the late 1950's or early 60's in Israel.  Mattie's married name is not known.  Their parents were Leib Stein and Toni nee Berkovitz (or Berkowicz).   They once had a tool and dye shop in Tel Aviv, which was aready closed when my friend visited in 1979.  They  had a home in Hulon.  Toni's parents (first names not known) lived on a short street south and perpendicular to Bartenura Street (which is close to Nordau St) in Tel Aviv.    
Madeleine Okladek

Re: Translate from polish #translation

Dr.Josef ASH

if it were Polish you could read it and see the name recorded in the line 9 in brackets. At the end of the previous, eight line the same name appears in Russian as well as all the document

Re: Seeking kin of GGF VULF SHESKIN OF VILNA #lithuania

Sue Brundage

There are some Seskins in the St. Louis Missouri area.

ROBERG #germany

ירוחם צבי קינסטליך

A boy from ROBERG family did a work in class about his family  generation and because of him I am glad to find another  4 generations till 1742.11 generations  from now.

Re: Gershon Kleinman from Warsaw #poland



Thank you, for that info,
To clarify Dora and the boys came over on the ship alone and it was there rules for them to stay at the hospital till they are picked up, they mere there for 3 days.
George was in the joint diseases in NYC which is now NYU. till he passes in Dec. 12 1947
The news that Dora was born in Lebrina Poland, this will be very helpful
If you find any other info I would love to hear from you 

Thank you again
Jerry Kleinman

Translate from polish #translation

ירוחם צבי קינסטליך
Maybe someone  know in polish where it's written lejzor bergerfrajd?

Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names


In Bob Malakoff's reply to this post he says:
"a Jewish naming convention where Jewish names consisted of a Hebrew name followed by an equivalent Yiddish name". I am wondering if Abraham Hermann is such a combination or not? Can anyone tell me?
Larry Bassist
Springville, Utah, USA

Seeking kin of GGF VULF SHESKIN OF VILNA #lithuania


My grandmother, Sora Yenta Sheskin, was born in Vilna c. 1884. She married Yitzhak Golomb in 1909 and they together had 4 children (including my mother).  Sadly, Sora Yenta died in Vilna in 1919.  The only other Sheskin that I know of is Sora Yenta’s father, Vulf Sheskin.  Is anyone connected to these Sheskins and thus able to provide me with some information?  I know there are some Vulf Sheskins In the ALD but I don’t know enough to be able to determine if they are the correct individuals.

Many thanks in advance.

Judy Kasman


Re: the English equivalent of Asnel or Zammel #names

Dubin, David M. MD

Perhaps you mean Ansel? That would be a Germanic/Yiddish form of the Hebrew name Asher. It’s a man’s name, also spelled Anschel, Amsel, Amschel etc. 
Zammel (also Zemmel, Semmel and the like) Is a Yiddishized Samuel.  

Re: Genealogy Software For Family Trees #general

Dahn Cukier


You forgot to inform us if you are computer comfortable.
Do you know how to create backup and can you create
the data on your own computer?

If so, I suggest Brother's Keeper for almost everything
you ask for.

It has it's own database.
There are over 100 types of data you can enter, with sources and notes.
You can add photos and documents as linked files, I think the
author told there is no known limit, I asked when I got to 20 documents
and wanted to know if I should add only photos or if I can link in
census, ellis island, draft cards, etc. You can add in any file type,
but I have not looked how to open each within BK, I open PDF with

There is a dedicated field for name variations, Hebrew,
nicknames, and many more. I add names in Hebrew without problems.

GED files can be exported and imported. I think you can split the database
by descendants, but I have not tried.

My "tree" has on my mother's side both her families, on
my father's side, both his parents, both my grandmother's parents
and a family that is close to me but not related, 2 brothers married
2 sisters. A total of 6 families and some small families that I added later.

You can print reports with or without duplicates (cousins that married).

I do not like the way the family tree prints page by page.
Until about 2000, you could use dot matrix printer and
print length wise on continuous paper. I now use a program
called "Agelong Tree" to produce family trees. I am hardware
limited to about 20 meters, (60+ feet) due to limitations of
hardware/software. I print the file at architect offices on plotters.

Anyone who wants to see a sample of the tree output I can send
a file with only dates and initials of 868K .


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 06:37:55 PM GMT+3, Teewinot <teewinot13@...> wrote:

Hi Cousins,

I've decided it's time I got some software to make my family tree, but
there are so many to choose from, it's giving me a headache! So I
thought I'd ask for recommendations.

Here is what I need:

1. A program that lets me include every family member (siblings;
cousins; aunts and uncles; 1st, 2nd, etc. marriages; etc.) in one giant
family tree.

2. A program that lets me enter birth, marriage, death info that is
printed right on the tree itself, so I don't have to refer to any other

3. A program that will let me print out this tree, even if it means
taping together a whole bunch of sheets, and will also allow me to make
the tree into a PDF file, so I can share it via email.

4. A program that is a true family tree, not just sheets listing
people. (A cousin gave me a printout like that, and it's way too hard
to follow.)

5. The program must be compatible with Windows 10.

I am not interested in anything else. I don't care if the program has
search the Internet features or not. I don't care if it's capable of
uploading or downloading data. I just need to be able to consolidate
all the hand-drawn trees and other papers I have into one coherent tree.

Thank you!
Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Re: are there benefits of the My Heritage site over Ancestry #general

Jeff Miller

I find MyHeritage valuable because of their great analytical tools, and ability to search in multiple languages. I feel that they have a wonderful chromosome browser that actually identifies triangulated segments that are so much easier to see visually than anywhere else I've looked. 


However, I have found their account troublesome in the way they allow older versions of my family tree to hang around without allowing me to easily merge or supersede older information with newer, and I find Ancestry trees and its "companion" Family Tree Maker easier to use than MyHeritage trees and its Family Tree Builder. I also have trouble with MyHeritage handling of uploaded DNA and the way the site attempts to assign a person's DNA to trees even when the individual may not be in a tree. If it isn't successful in finding a tree, it has unassigned DNA accounts which can be annoying.



Jeff Miller



Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jesse Springer <Jessemspringer@...>

Fascinsting! Thanks for adding your knowledge here. 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 12:51 PM Sally Bruckheimer via <> wrote:
Do all descendants of your great-grandfather all have similar Jewish DNA markers?  If they are only seen in one of his children's line it suggests differing parentage.

Every child inherits 50% of DNA from each parent, but each is a random assortment of the parent's DNA. So you and a sibling only share 25%. That is why organ transplant Dr. look at parents or children first for a good match.

So all descendants of a great-grandparent will not have the same Jewish DNA markers. There are a lot of markers checked, so DNA testing will probably find some, but not all the same.

Sally Bruckheimer
Molecular Biologist who knew this in high school
Princeton, NJ

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jesse Springer <Jessemspringer@...>

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing that. My brother took an AncestryDNA test and reported 16% Ashkenazi, and my sisters took 23andMe and one's report estimated 16% Ashkenazi and the other's report estimated 8% Ashkenazi. So it seems likely that there was indeed an Ashkenazi ancestor. 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 11:52 AM Jerry Scherer <jerry.scherer@...> wrote:

Your regions of ancestral origins are statistical estimates, based on the company’s database. Your Ethnicity Estimates are updated by the ancestry company, as more people get tested. Ancestry has a database of approximately 15 million, MyHeritage 4 million. My first estimates, with, showed that I was 95% European Jewish, next 99%.  The last update, shows that I’m 100% European Jewish. According to MyHeritage, I'm 94% Ashkenazi Jewish and 6% Sephardic Jewish. 

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jesse Springer <Jessemspringer@...>

Unfortunately we don't have that information from my dad's cousins on paternal side. My dad's cousin on maternal side tested and report no Ashkenazi results, so we concluded it had to be his father's side. Certainly would be helpful if we could obtain testing from paternal cousins though! My dad closely resembles his father and his paternal uncles, and so it seems highly unlikely that either my father or my grandfather were adopted. Also my father's nephew looks very much like my dad (more so than my dad's brother who is the father) and also resembles my grandmother in many ways, so that adds even more doubt to an adoption theory. 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 10:54 AM Paul Chirlin <pjchirlin@...> wrote:
Do all descendants of your great-grandfather all have similar Jewish DNA markers?  If they are only seen in one of his children's line it suggests differing parentage.   Is your father not DNA related to a known descendant?  

Re: Deciphering Manifest -- "Gachef"? #romania

Molly Staub

I had something similar happen regarding my father’s immigration. The family members wrote ”Servio,” which I couldn’t find. The late,  very knowledgeable Phyllis Kramer told me that immigrants sometimes wrote the name of the inn where they had stayed the night before. I later learned it apparently was another stop on their route to America.


Happy hunting,


Molly Arost Staub

E-mail staubmolly@...


Re: Lost relatives in New York #usa

Moishe Miller

I have a twofold suggestion:
  • share the manifest for the 1907 arrival. It most likely gives name, relationship and address of a relative in the "old country" and the same for their destination in the US
  • use the website to search for marriages in New York, where the parent's name start with 
I looked up Kreine's arrival in 1907. It is the old manifest style, so there is no "old country" name/address. But, it does say she was going to her brother, Wolf Berkowsky, c/o Mr Salamon, at 82 East Broadway, in Manhattan. This sounds like it might be what you call, "Our known Kreine and Wolf".    
For anyone else that want a look, the 1907 ship manifest is here:
BTW, using sounds like on Stephen Morse's website, there is another arrival you might want to look at:
Burkowska, Karianna arriving in 1903, age 17, from Viczing. (SHIP NAME Rotterdam, ARRIVAL DATE February 14th, 1903, PORT OF DEPARTURE Rotterdam, Holland, line 9 of frame 288)
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF # 3391

Maiden name of Great Grandmother #ukraine

Raylene Gurewich

I'm trying to find out the maiden name of my paternal great-grandmother who immigrated to Palestine from Proskurov (Khmelnytskyi) in 1925 with my Great Grandfather, Ya'acov Helfman and three of her sons, Israel, Nachman, and Moshe. Her first name was Chaya and she and Ya'acov had a small store in Tel Aviv/Yafo area. Chaya was born in 1868 and Ya'acov in 1865 according to census and voting records I found on the IGRA website.
Two of their sons (Samuel and Benjamin) immigrated to the U.S. Samuel settled in Texas and Benjamin married in New York and then moved to Michigan. I have located Benjamin's marriage certificate where he has the name of his mother as Chaika Viraly (Viraty), but that name cannot be verified in my research. Other U.S. documents I found didn't list a mother's maiden name at all for both brothers.
I'm hoping to find out her maiden name in Ukrainian documents, but don't have a clue where to look?

Seeking (Cohen) Bessie antecedents of Rosina Lhévinne (Netherlands) #russia

Judith Berlowitz

A friend from the Bessie family has asked me if I could connect the father of the immortal pianist Rosina Lhévinne, "Jacques" Bessie, with my friend's family, known diamond merchants in the Netherlands - surname Cohen Bessie. All I have been able to find is that "Jacques" was born about 1844, probably in Amsterdam, studied for a time at the Sorbonne, and settled in Russia where he married Maria Katch (or Katz), who died fairly young. Their daughter Sophie was born in 1873 and daughter Rosina in 1880. Jacques's information appears on ships' manifests with his children and grandchildren in their travels to various countries, including the US. I have searched Dutch sites such as WieWasWie, using the given name "Jacob" but have not found anything conclusive, except for a tantalizing possibility: Will appreciate any leads.
Judith Berlowitz, San Francisco
PS: Why no #netherlands tag?

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jesse Springer <Jessemspringer@...>

Thanks Adam! I appreciate you sharing your experience and insight with me. My brother took an AncestryDNA and it reported ~16% Ashkenazi. Two sister took 23andMe and it reported ~16% for one and ~8% for the other. So we are still fairly confident there was an Ashkenazi ancestor based on these reports. As far as how long ago this was or how accurate these percentage guesses are, we'll never be quite certain unless we find out who was Ashkenazi in our family tree. 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 9:29 AM Adam Turner <adam.d.turner@...> wrote:
I am not familiar with MorleyDNA, and so I can't comment on how it is predicting your father's haplogroup based on his autosomal data. But I would be very wary about taking MyHeritageDNA's ethnicity analysis at face value, even with a couple of non-randomly-selected Jewish DNA matches as "corroboration."

My ethnicity as MHDNA estimates it is 88% Ashkenazi Jewish, 7% Finnish, and 5% "West Asian - Mizrahi Jewish." The same data run through AncestryDNA, which has a much larger user base to draw on for its reference samples, comes out as 100% "European Jewish."

My late grandfather's DNA test has even bigger discrepancies: per AncestryDNA, he is 99% European Jewish and 1% non-Jewish Eastern European. per MHDNA, he is...75% Ashkenazi, 15% "Italian", 1% Baltic, and 8% Sephardic Jewish. It makes very little sense to me how my grandfather could supposedly have 23% Southern European ancestry, yet my own DNA actually ended up with zero of whatever markers are supposedly typical of these ethnic groups. Much more likely to me is that MHDNA's ethnicity analysis isn't worth the pixels it's printed on, and whatever reference samples they are using to power this feature of the product are probably small enough that lots of customers' results end up with quite a bit of nonsense.

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