Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general

Jacob Heisler

You don't actually need to go to the NYC Municipal Archives to get a
copy of those records. FamilySearch has them digitized, and while you
do need to visit a Family History Center to access the digitized
images, once you're there you can freely print or download the
records. FamilySearch specifically has birth records up to 1909,
one-page marriage certificates up to 1937, and death records up to
1948. The Archives alone have the three-page marriage licenses up to

As for the legality of prohibiting taking a picture of a public
record, that is a very good question I hope a more legal-literate
person can answer. Is it in fact legal for them to prohibit taking
pictures of public records?

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:04 PM <jedbrickner@...> wrote:

As many of us know, the NYC Municipal Archives charges about $15 for a certified stamped copy of a birth, marriage or death certificate, even if you go down to their office and find it yourself on their microfilm. I just care about the information and don't care about the certification. So taking a picture of the image on the microfilm reader screen would be fine for me. I called them and they said it was not allowed. Has anyone ever actually tried this in person? Any thoughts as to whether they can legally prohibit taking a picture of a public record?

Many thanks for your thoughts.

Jed Brickner

Re: Song - Why don't they give a Yiddisher Boy a Chance? #unitedkingdom


There’s a reference to a quote by Don Arden in this link, but not the song itself

Mauthausen [camp] Database #records #holocaust #germany #austria-czech


The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum has added 1,572 names of Austrian and German prisoners in the KL Mauthausen, who died in the period from late 1942 to 1945. Records contain name, date of birth, place of birth, prisoner number and category, date of death, and place of death. You can request and immediately receive digital copies
of the original documents in your email.  Search at


Peter Lande,  Washington, D.C.

My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

rv Kaplan

Has anyone had any luck with this facility on My Heritage?  MH says:
Family Theories of Relativity will be generated between you and a match based off of common information in your family trees. The more information you add to your tree, whether it be manually added or confirming accurate matches, can trigger future theories.  
I have over 14,000 DNA matches on MH, and over 2,200 people on my family trees, but not a single match has ever activated the Theory of Family Relativity.
I asked MH Support about this and they said:
'As there are no theories there at this time, it simply means none have been generated based off of the information currently in your tree and the trees of your DNA matches. The information in your tree is the only information at your disposal to add to or edit that can trigger a theory.
This is why I would recommend continuing to build on your tree in any way possible, as any piece of information can trigger a theory. Note that it would also be imperative for your DNA matches to be working on their own trees for theories to be generated.
For some more information on the feature itself, theories always begin in your tree and end in the family tree of your DNA Match. The traversal of the path may include other family trees on MyHeritage, Geni, FamilySearch or historical records on the tree.'
Doesn't make much sense to me.  14,000 people out there matching my dna and not even my 2 closest dna matches, who I know are my 2nd cousin once removed and my 3rd cousin, attract the Theory.  
Am I missing something?
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland


- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis, Lithuania

FELMAN, MIL(L)ER, ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine

TROPP, STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia


Re: Silverman Family of Providence #usa


Archibald Silverman was in my family.
Do you have more information?
Do you know the name of his father?

Re: Ancestry to be Acquired by Blackstone Group for $4.7 Billion #announcements

Adam Cherson

What is an 'alternative asset manager'?

Re: Lipshitz family from Skokie-Chicago #usa

Chicago Bubby

I can help you with that. Dr. Abraham Lipshitz' daughters both live in Israel. Their names are Anne Silverstein and Rose Nathan. Anne lived in Chicago until a number of years ago. Charles' daughter Deborah also lives in Israel, but his son, Leon lives in Chicago and I know him well. I'd be happy to provide you with his contact information. I don't want to put it in a public post, but if you email me at cmeyssub@... I can give you Leon's information. If you need it, I should be able to obtain contact information for Anne as well (I'd need to make a phone call or two; let me know).

There is another Lipshitz family here related to the above. Sam Lipshitz lives in Skokie. I believe that his father was cousin to Abraham & Charles (sorry, I don't remember his first name; maybe Henry, but I'm not sure). I have his contact information too if it helps.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

Re: Names of people buried in Timisoara, Romania, Cemetery #romania

Peninah Zilberman

The Timisoara Jewish Cemetery has a very good up to date register

I visited numerous times the cemetery and found all Tombstones requested.


You might consider writing to the Jewish Community and see what they can do for you.

Alternatively you can wait for next season when I usually go to Timisoara and check for you.

Best regards and good luck



LOGO tarbut 2015-EMAIL

Peninah Zilberman


Canada 1-416-781-0330

Romania + 40-74-414-5351

Israel 972-54-228-8141


Re: Sperbers Galicia #galicia


Hi Hannah,

One cousin of my father (Miriam) was married to a man called Sigmund Sperber If you want I can talk with his daughter and try to find out from where he his. What I know from him is that he was born in Europe and moved to Argentina probably due to the war where he married Miriam, later they moved to Santiago Chile and then moved to Beer- Sheva Israel.

Sara Abrashkin

Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general


Very simple.   Years ago, in my computer, I created a form that essentially mimics all of the information that is on B.C.'s, M.C.'s, & D.C.'s. With several copies of each form, I go to the archives and copy all of the data for which I am searching. When I get home, I then enter this data into the computer, and then print it out. If done in a formal manner, the printout looks pretty darn good.

Re: Song - Why don't they give a Yiddisher Boy a Chance? #unitedkingdom


Re: Online trees #general


I, too, have had trees online at Ancestry and My Heritage for many years and have had no problems. Yesterday, however, my problems began when I uploaded my tree to Within minutes, I noticed that someone I don't know, who is not a relative, was claiming that all my relatives were his relatives. It reached a point at which he was seeking to merge my family with his bogus family. I decided to close my account but couldn't fully do so because Geni required that I pass my tree along to someone else, in my case, a distant relative who has a tree on Geni. So now, I've closed my account and two people are managing it - one is a complete stranger and the other is a distant relative. 

New York, NY
BUKANTZ (Lithuania), JABLOW (Belarus), MAGEN (Ukraine), ZEIDMAN (Ukraine)

Srul Lederman and Etka Dawidowicz Naturalization papers #records #usa

tammy adler <tadler34@...>

I am looking for my grandparents naturalization papers. Srul Lederman and Etka Dawidowicz. Immigrated to USA in 1951.  Where do I look?

Tammy Adler

Re: Data Breach at GEDmatch has Concerns Over Privacy #dna #announcements

Stanley Levine

AND even if they did get raw data - so what! What could they do with it?

Re: Is Ojzer and Ejzer the same name as Uscher? #general

Martyn Woolf

In my family for several generations there was always an OKER. I had an Uncle OKER, a great-uncle OKER and so on.  I have never found the name anywhere else and wonder whether there could be a connection with Uscher or Ojzer.  Any ideas are most welcome.

Martyn Woolf

BOF Khashchevatoye #ukraine #announcements #jgs-iajgs

yael polat

Khashchevatoye, Ukraine BOF Meeting at the IAJGS Virtual 2020 Conference

The Khashchevatoye, Ukraine BOF will meet virtually on Thursday, August 13, from 10 AM to 11 AM U.S. Eastern time. (7 AM to 8 AM US Pacific, 3 PM to 4 PM UK, 4 PM to 5 PM Western Europe, 5 PM to 6 PM Israel and Eastern Europe, Midnight to 1 AM next day Australia).

Please join us for a discussion of our active and future projects and to meet other Khashchevatoye descendents from all over the world! The meeting is open to all; you do not have to be a paid conference attendee to attend. However, whether or not you’ve paid for the conference, you do need to register to attend this and other “Free Access Sessions.” Please read more below.


Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website (, sign in, and select “Update Your Info.” Then click “Edit” and page through your registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.


If you have not registered for the conference and want to have access to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to and register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.

If you have already registered for limited free access but did not select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit your registration to include your choices. Follow through to the end of the registration to save them.

I look forward to seeing you at the Khashchevatoye, Ukraine BOF meeting.

For more information about the conference see  For registration questions/problems, contact registration@....

For information about the Khashchevatoye, Ukraine BOF, contact Yael Polat at polatnik@....


Re: C- Files - US Naturalization Index care - what info on it? #general

Moishe Miller

Are you familiar with the ordering process for a c-file? It seems you need to first request an "index search" and then a "record request". However, if I have the c-File and a-File numbers from the index available at Ancestry or FamilySearch, can I just order the c-file directly, skipping the "index search" and the fees associated with it?
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF# 3391

Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Arc hives #usa #photographs

I have never seen anyone take a photo of a microfilm image (at any archive), but I think it is wise to take the NYC Municipal Archives at their word.  The records may be in the public domain, but the City of New York owns the images and is free to charge a fee.  If all you want is the information, you are free to take notes and not purchase a certified copy.  Or even better than that, find the information you seek on or  Both sites have been upgrading their NYC vital records indexes to include information previously only available from the original documents on microfilm at the NYC Municipal Archives.  
Good luck,
Karen Silver

Re: Naturalization Records for Samuel & Mary Babinski. #usa #records

Sherri Bobish

"Looking for naturalization records for Samuel & Mary Babinski.  Arrived in USA in 1908."

Start by searching at for nat records. 

If Samuel naturalized by 1922, and they were married by 1922, Mary would not have needed her own nat papers.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, N

Lipshitz family from Skokie-Chicago #usa

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Rabbi Dr. Abraham Lipshitz
(formerly Lippschütz), an educator, born in Lodz on May 5, 1922 and
died in 2017 (father of Ann and Rose) as well as his brother Charles
Lipshitz, also died in 2017 (father of Rabbi Leon Lipshitz and Deborah
Katz (mother of Yaakov Katz, an American-born Israeli journalist and
author and Editor-in-Chief of The Jerusalem Post since 2016 and three
other children).

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