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Re: Online trees #general

JPmiaou@...
 

Both individual tree sites like Ancestry and MyHeritage and collaborative sites like Geni, WikiTree, and FamilySearch have their advantages and disadvantages, but it is my strong belief that the only way to maintain proper privacy for the living is to not put any identifying details about them on _either_ type of site. If you don't want people to find something, don't put it online. All genealogy sites have privacy settings, and I do use those, but what I "hide" behind them are placeholders: usually just a name, sometimes a birth year or decade (just so stuff will sort correctly). And if a living relative is unmarried or otherwise not a "connecting piece", I don't even make a placeholder for him or her. I only keep track of those people in my stricly-offline tree.

Regarding the messes that people can make out of family tree information: these happen on both types of platform, and in some ways, the individual tree messes are worse, because the sites encourage those mistakes to propagate, and then it becomes impossible to fix. For example, there's someone on Ancestry who made my stepmother-in-law into my father-in-law's great-grand-aunt, and now there are at least half a dozen trees on Ancestry that have this extra daughter attached to parents who lived a century earlier than the correct family. I have sent messages to several of the users involved, but have had no response.

The advantage of a collaborative tree is that if you encounter a mess, you can fix it. Whether your fix will "stick" depends on the specific users involved; sometimes, people blindly and persistently copy whatever they have from some source (be that another website or an old genealogy book), especially if there's an easy automated way to do it, and it can take some extended back-and-forth to convince them of their error. On an individual-trees site, you can simply choose to ignore the system's perpetual prompts about the incorrect trees. Annoyance either way, but I feel the collaborative approach is more fruitful in the end.

Julia
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Re: Online trees #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

Geni is currently a bit of a mess. Though I like the concept, the
execution has been less than optimal. Privacy is an issue, with, for
example, the information of minor children (whose parents don't want
them on Geni) readily available to all.  My experience with the curators
is that some are terrific and others more on the hamfisted side,
depending on their ideology.

I have a subset of my tree on Ancestry, and though I have my issues with
that platform, at least I can control what's on the tree and what others
can see. And I'm not siloed, as Ancestry shows me other trees that
include my ancestors -- or people who look like them -- often with new
info. I can look at the evidence and decide whether I want to add the
new info/new people to my tree.

It's still early days in the online tree business, and I expect the
landscape is going to look very different in another ten years; maybe
something like a Geni/Ancestry hybrid will emerge.
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 
JRI-Poland volunteer meeting - Tuesday, Aug. 11, at the IAJGS Conference #poland #announcements

Stanley Diamond
 

 
The annual JRI-Poland volunteer meeting will take place virtually this year
at the upcoming IAJGS conference on:
 
Tuesday, August 11,  12:30 pm - 1:30 pm U.S. Eastern time
(9:30 am - 10:30 pm Pacific
7:30 pm - 8:30 pm UK
8:30 pm - 9:30 pm Central Europe
9:30 pm - 19:30 pm Israel
2:30 am - 3:30 am next day (Wednesday) Australia)
 
The meeting is for our volunteers and others with a serious interest
in giving back and contributing to the JRI-Poland mission.  
 
It will be an opportunity to hear more about how the JRI-Poland 
Next Generation web site and data management project will help 
our town leaders and other volunteers to benefit from the new 
features and tools that will be available in the future.
 
You do not have to be a paid conference attendee to join in.
 
However, whether or not you've paid for the conference, you do 
need to register to attend this and other "Free Access Sessions." 
Please read more below.
 
PAID CONFERENCE ATTENDEES:
Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website
and select "Update Your Info." Then click "Edit" and page through 
your registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select 
your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration 
to save them.
 
FREE ACCESS ONLY:
If you have not registered for the conference and want to have 
access to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to
and register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select 
your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the 
registration to save them.
 
If you have already registered for limited free access but did not
select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit 
your registration to include your choices. Follow through to the 
end of the registration to save them.
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M. 
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

Ancestry's Thru-Lines is just matching family trees, yours and somebody else's. I have found cousins by DNA (that I knew were cousins), but they hadn't entered enough family tree to be found by Thru-Lines. But the Thru-Lines found me a second family of a cousin, that was, I think, excommunicated from the family.

If that is all that MyHeritage Theory of Relativity is, it sounds much better than it is.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Zibulsky family #ukraine

cheryl.r.grossman
 

My great-grandfather's surname was Zibulsky. He perished with his second wife during the holocaust. They died as martyrs, heroically, and I need information to proceed with a search. I  know is that they lived in Kodima (Kodyma?), in the Ukraine. I have not been able to find any records on their lives - or deaths. I am trying to find out given names,  birthdate (or assumed birthdate), where they may have lived prior to the war, or anything else. His daughter, my maternal grandmother, was Mania (Manya?), married to Max Gorbaty.

Cheryl Grossman
 
 
 
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Vital records for Burgenland after 1920 #records

Ruth
 

Can anyone tell me if there are vital records available for Burgenland after 1920 when it became part of Austria.  In particular, I am looking for records for Bernstein im Burgenland, Rechnitz, Oberwart and Deutsch Schutzen.

thanks
Ruth Bloomfield
London
Canada BOF/SIG Meeting at the IAJGS Virtual 2020 Conference #announcements #jgs-iajgs #canada

Stanley Diamond
 

 

The Canada BOF/SIG will meet virtually on Wednesday, August 12, from 10:00 am - 11:00 am, U.S. Eastern time. (7:00 am - 8:00 am Pacific, 3:00 - 4:00 pm UK, 5:00 - 6:00 pm Central Europe, 6:00 - 7:00 pm Israel, 12:00 - 1:00 am next day Australia).
 
Please join us for networking, research updates and information about Canadian records, the JGS of Montreal https://www.jgs-montreal.org/ research dashboard and more! The meeting is open to all with connections to Canada; you do not have to be a paid conference attendee to join in. However, whether or not you’ve paid for the conference, you do need to register to attend this and other “Free Access Sessions.” Please read more below.
 
PAID CONFERENCE ATTENDEES:
 
Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website (https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2020/asc_login.cfm, sign in, and select “Update Your Info.” Then click “Edit” and page through your registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.
 
FREE ACCESS ONLY:
 
If you have not registered for the conference and want to have access to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2020/registration_form.cfm and register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.
 
If you have already registered for limited free access but did not select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit your registration to include your choices. Follow through to the end of the registration to save them.
 
We look forward to "seeing you" at the Canada meeting.
 
For more information about the conference see www.iajgs2020.org or www.facebook.com/groups/IAJGS . Registration questions/problems? Contact registration@....
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.
Coordinator, Canada SIG/BOF
President, JGS of Montreal
  
  
Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

gen
 

I just got my 1st Theory of Relativity, among 4 kits I administer, on my 2nd cousin's non-Jewish German line.
And it seems plausible; awaiting replies from owners of other 2 trees involved.

My 2nd cousin's tree brick walled with his GGF's parents info, no siblings. The Theory found a tree owned by someone in Germany, with same parents info with a sibling, went down a generation or 2, then connected with a tree owned by someone in USA who is directly related to spouse but continued the line I was following to the (private) father of the DNA match, where it connected to extremely small & private tree of DNA match.  

Perhaps the difference in number of results between Ancestry Thrulines & MyHeritage Theory of Relativity is driven by database sizes of 18M for Ancestry & 4M for MyHeritage? 
Re: Given name SOSCHE #names

alejandro@...
 

Sosche is a derivation of the yiddish Sore. It is, in g¡fact, an hypocorism of the name Sara wehich appears for the first time in Genesis 17:15.
For other multiple derivations on this name, I suggest to consult Alexander Beider's Dictionary of Ashkenazic Given Names.
Gut Shabbes
Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general

jbonline1111@...
 

I am surprised to see the statement that in NYC records births are only available to 1909.   It's been over 25 years since I visited the Municipal Archives and found my uncle's birth certificate in 1910 and my father's in 1917.  
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC
Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

joelle.meyer24@...
 

I have 18 matches with the theory out of which only one is wrong. 
Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general

jbonline1111@...
 

My son also constructed a birth certificate when we couldn't take a clear copy of my father's birth certificate for a memory book we constructed for his 90th birthday.  It came out very well. 
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC
Nussdorfs brothers-Hungary or Berlin #germany #hungary

Bberiman597
 

In the 1700’s 3 brothers from Nussdorf, near Vienna, left Nussdorf. One went to Galicia; one went to Hungary and one went to near Berlin.  My husband is related to the Nussdorfs who went to Galacia.  I am looking for any Jewish Nussdorfs who are from the brother who went to Hungary and/or the brother who went to the area near Berlin.  Thanks.  Barbara Hacker Berman

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Barbara Berman, RN, MS
Ostrów Mazowiecka Research Family BOF Meeting - Wednesday, Aug. 12, at the IAJGS Conference #announcements #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

The Ostrów Mazowiecka Research Family BOF will meet virtually
at the upcoming IAJGS conference on
 
Wednesday, August 12,  6:30 pm - 7:30 pm U.S. Eastern time
(3:30 pm - 4:30 pm Pacific
11:30 pm - 12:30 am UK
12:30 am - 1:30 am Central Europe
1:30 am - 2:30 am Israel
8:30 am - 9:30 am next day (Thursday) Australia)
 
Please join us to hear the latest about Ostrow Mazowiecka records 
and possible cemetery project.  
 
The meeting is open to all; you do not have to be a paid conference
attendee to join in. However, whether or not you've paid for the
conference, you do need to register to attend this and other "Free
Access Sessions." Please read more below.
 
PAID CONFERENCE ATTENDEES:
Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website
and select "Update Your Info." Then click "Edit" and page through
your registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select
your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration
to save them.
 
FREE ACCESS ONLY:
If you have not registered for the conference and want to have access
to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to
register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select your
choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to
save them.
 
If you have already registered for limited free access but did not
select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit your
registration to include your choices. Follow through to the end of the
registration to save them.
 
We hope to see you.
 
Stanley Diamond M.S.M.
Coordinator, Ostrów Mazowiecka Research Family  
 
   
 
 
Otto WEISZ, Vienna

rv Kaplan
 

Looking for information about Otto Weisz, born in Vienna in 1903, son of Dr David Weisz and Rosa Feuer, came to Scotland in 1934 and worked as a designer for Pringle of Scotland knitwear company.  He was naturalised in 1938.
 
Does anyone know anything about this man's background?
 
thanks
 
Harvey Kaplan
Scottish Jewish Archives Centre
Glasgow   
Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

Sarah L Meyer
 

I believe that it is the same as Ancestry thru -lines.  It is just named something else.  If your tree is not large enough or there are no matching trees then there are no theories of relativity, and no Ancestry thrulines matches.

--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com
Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

sbloom@...
 

I am not familiar with My Heritage's product, but it definitely sounds inferior to Ancestry's Thrulines.
I have to admit that I have a very large tree, and Thrulines will both try to make connections via "paper" genealogy (tree and documents) and separately or in conjunction with DNA. Thrulines helped me discover a number of new relatives. A number of the odd matches with both Thrulines and 23andme's product ended up being unknown (at the time) half siblings (always via common fathers) to known cousins.  
Re: Census question #bessarabia #records

Yefim Kogan
 

Yoram,   everybody,

please use information at our bessarabia website, Kishinev kehilalink website, JewishGen.

For these questions, here are the answers:

1.  See the lists of all Revision Lists (Census) for ALL towns at https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/romania/bessarabiarevisionlists.html
and go to the section   
Current Database Contents
A complete inventory can be accessed by clicking here.        Click on this link and you will get all TOWNs we have Revision and other lists for.

2.  See at Kishinev KehilaLink website: https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/chisinau/search.asp?q=pogrom
There are also several articles/stories about Kishinev pogrom, you can find at the Bessarabia website...  Remember, you can SEARCH the website, but any word, and get information needed.  On the right upper corner there is a Search mechanism... enter Pogrom and search the Bessarabia website...

Please explore our resources, and you find them useful.
All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Re: The female Yiddish name Losche in the US? #names

jrsackerman@...
 

As you know, anyone can choose any English name, whether or not it "corresponds" to their birth name.  However she might choose an English name beginning with the letter L.  For example, Louise, Louisa, Lettie, Lottie, Linda, Laura, etc. 

Joel Ackerman, Jerusalem, Israel (formerly from the San Francisco Bay Area)
Researching HACKMEYSTER, ACKMEYSTER, GAKMAJSTERA, ZIMMERMAN, CIMERMAN, CYMERMAN from Radzivilov, Demidovka and Berestechko (Volhynia, Ukraine) and Shereshevo (Belarus)
ISMAN, BLAU (Przemysl, Poland)
BRUMER, BRUMMER, GREENSTEIN, GRYNSZTAYN (Yavorov, Ukraine)
This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #ukraine

Bruce Drake
 

Those of you versed in the practices and protocols of a respectable marriage in the shtetls of Eastern Europe also know that the path to the wedding involved more than a quick trip to City Hall or a visit to the Elvis Chapel in Las Vegas. “Weddings in Our Areas” from the Yizkor book of Mezhirichi, Ukraine methodically and in great detail lays out “the foreshpiel (foreplay)” that began on a Sunday before a Saturday celebration. On Sunday there was the viewing of the dowry trunk. On Monday, the gathering of the groom’s friends to tell stories and partake of refreshments like herring fish and wine. Tuesday was the poor man's day when people from all over the region showed up and received alms from the bride’s father. The aunts arrived on Wednesday. On Thursday, the out-of-town quests started arriving. The "chuppah" (wedding ceremony) was always held on Friday. And finally, the big celebration on Saturday night. 


Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD 
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