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On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 09:00 AM, Judy Petersen wrote:
oneThanks Judy. I will follow these up. What is MCSE? BARBARA
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Re: The female Yiddish name Losche in the US?
#names
My name was written in Hungarian by my great uncle on a family tree. Szosa (after my great grandmother Szosa Laya). But they all prounounced it Sossa or Sussa. My name in English is Susan (eg shoshana in Hebrew but not my name).
The way he wrote it it should be pronounced Sosha (sz is like an s and s is like an sh). So maybe he wrote it wrong or who knows. But I think your name on the manifest was Soshe. . It looked like an "L" but was an "S" for sure. Sosche,no Losche.
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Re: Given name SOSCHE
#names
Barbara...
My name was written in Hungarian by my great uncle on a family tree. Szosa (after my great grandmother Szosa Laya). But they all prounounced it Sossa or Sussa. My name in English is Susan (eg shoshana in Hebrew but not my name). The way he wrote it it should be pronounced Sosha (sz is like an s and s is like an sh). So maybe he wrote it wrong or who knows. I'll try and send this to Susan Goldsmith, too.
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Re: Given name SOSCHE
#names
No, I don't think Shosche is Sora. Is it in Beider's dictionary? I never heard this. My name is Szosa laya. My dad pronounced it Sossa. (It was written in Hungarian. Named after my ggm SZosa Laya).
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Re: Given name SOSCHE
#names
Sandra B Landers
My grandmother’s Yiddish name was Soshe and was known as Sadie in the US. I still have not been able to find her manifest entering the US in or around 1907. Her maiden name was MOSKOWITZ or various spellings. My sister was named after her and when she became a Bat Mitzvah as an adult the rabbi told her that Soshe was not a Jewish name and gave her the name Shoshana.
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Re: 1917 marriage, 1935 death in Vienna
Joseph Lonstein
Sorry, I think my original question was unclear. I had originally obtained that information from GenTeam.at and the IKG cemetery database. The marriage and death are too recent to be on Ancestry (scans only cover up to 1911 for some districts). How can I access records that are more recent and not online? Will IKG provide?
Thanks,
Joe Lonstein
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Genealogy Research on LIEBERMAN and FRUMKIN from Byerazino, Belarus
#belarus
jliebe97@...
Hello all, Jason
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Re: Zibulsky family
#ukraine
Alexander Sharon
Many Jewish surnames had Polish roots. Cybulski is probably how surname has been originally written.
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Re: 1917 marriage, 1935 death in Vienna
You can find the same Viennese birth, marriage, death index information on Jewishgen’s Austria-Czech database as you will find on GenTeam. On JewishGen you can do a search for two surnames at the same time, which is very helpful. Also you can use the sounds like or phonetic spelling on JewishGen.
Randy Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA
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Re: Online trees
#general
Max Heffler
And how is the “infinitesimal, insignificant, number of the profiles there provide sources” different from any of the sites, especially those with “billions and billions” of conflicting trees?
From: main@... [mailto:main@...]
On Behalf Of Alan Ehrlich via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 8:07 AM To: main@... Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Online trees #general
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 08:32 AM, Max Heffler wrote: Geni most certainly has a Sources tab for each profile and one random one I pulled up has links to 1920 and 1930 censuses. There is also a Media tab for each profile, Discussion, Revisions, etc… Notwithstanding, nothing but an infinitesimal, insignificant, number of the profiles there provide sources, "etc."... which indeed was one of the points of origin for the present discussion as well as others which recently appeared here. -- Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project: www.texsys.com/websites.html
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Re: Austria will Allow Descendants of Holocaust Victims to Receive Citizenship Beginning September 1st
#holocaust
feising2@...
feising2@...
Before applying for Dual Nationality, one should read what the US State Department position is regarding this subject. See: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1d&q=US+State+Department+Services+Dual+Nationality Frank Eisinger Saint James, NY USA
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JewishGen Education offers New Classes
#JewishGenUpdates
#education
#announcements
#general
Nancy Holden
A reminder that the second half of 2020 brings a variety of JewishGen classes to meet the research challenges for those who are new, those that want to renew skills and those who have reached brick walls or want to publish their research.
Skilled teachers offer interactive genealogy courses, featuring a personal mentoring program tailored to your research projects. JewishGen Education classes are offered in a private online FORUM open 24/7. Students post an ancestral branch, set goals for their research, and work one on one with the instructor.
Advanced Research in Belarus: The course explores records on JewishGen SIGs for shtetls and towns within the modern boundaries of Belarus. This includes parts of the former Lithuania, parts of Latvia and parts of Poland. This course open for enrollment (scheduled Aug 23).
Using JewishGen to Research Ancestral Roots begins with an Introduction to Jewish History, Culture and Naming Patterns, moves into Finding your Shtetl, examines and explores the JewishGen Researcher and Country Databases, Jewish Records Indexing (JRI-P), and includes practical hints on translation, finding a researcher and other advanced topics. This course creates a bridge between the American Family data and those left behind in Europe, between records available on JewishGen and related sites and hiring a researcher (scheduled for winter 2020).
Independent Study. This class offers students a chance to work on any genealogical project within the expertise and with the agreement of the instructor. The course may include United States research or the country of immigrant origin for one branch, one surname studies, or holocaust information searches. In order to qualify for this class and to ensure you can make progress, we ask that you submit an application. Details are on the Education Page (scheduled for October 2020).
East Prussia and the Baltic States with an emphasis on Kaunas, Latvia and Kaliningrad this class traces the migration patterns of Jews who moved from the Hamburg, Konigsberg area into Kaunas and Courland (scheduled for November 2020).
There are also many VAS classes offered “free” with a contribution in the past 12 months to the JewishGen General Fund. We also offer Home Study Classes at a minimal fee which are self-paced downloadable lessons.
Take a look at our fall schedule www.jewishgen.org/education
For each course students should have 8-10 hours per week to read the lessons, search online and interact with the instructor. Courses are open 24/7 to meet the needs of international students. Courses will open for enrollment 2 weeks before the starting date. Tuition is $150. PLEASE read the course descriptions and requirements on www.jewishgen.org/education before enrolling in any course, and where required, complete the application.
We look forward to interfacing with every student Nancy Holden, Director of Education nholden@...
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Re: Issac Barr / Levine
#usa
Jerry2000K@...
Hi Mordechai,
My Grandma Dwojra { Dora ) Barr ( Ber ) came from Warsaw to NYC in 1923. I believe her mothers name was Alta Broner /Brener. There family was all in the profession of baker. This all that I really know about my grandmas past. Hope this can help. On another matter, On my Grandfathers papers it shows he came from Zabo Poland have you heard of this town? Please advise Gerald Kleinman, Florida
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Friedman, H George
"If Bertha Friedman was alive in 1890 she may have been enumerated in the special census called: The U.S. Census of Union Veterans and Widows of The Civil War.
It can be searched here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1877095" Sherri, Thanks for the suggestion. I had not thought about that. But I just ran it, and had no luck. George Friedman Champaign, IL
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Re: Otto WEISZ, Vienna
Peter Lobbenberg
Dear Harvey
Anna Nyburg's fascinating book The Clothes On Our Backs (Valentine Mitchell 2020), subtitled "How Refugees from Nazism Revitalised the British Fashion Trade", has an entire chapter on Otto Weisz and his work for Pringle, at page 146. (It happens that it also has a chapter on my own family.) Warmly recommended. Also, according to Genteam.at, an Otto Weiss [sic] was born to Dr. David Weiss [sic] and Rosa née Feuer in Vienna on 29 January 1908. Anna Nyburg's book gives the same DOB. Best wishes Peter Lobbenberg, London
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Re: Blitz family: trying to find my grandfather's brothers
#records
Diane Jacobs
Jajgl could be Yechiel if the g sounds like h. Diane Jacobs Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Wendy Griswold <wendygris@...> Date: 8/9/20 9:25 AM (GMT-05:00) To: "main@... Notification" <main@...> Subject: [JewishGen.org] Blitz family: trying to find my grandfather's brothers #records My grandfather had 2 brothers who came to him through Ellis Island. I can't seem to find anything on them after their arrival. 1. There was a "Jajgl" Blitz arr 31 July 1906 age 20, going to his brother, my grandfather, Morris Blitz at 336 Houston St., on the Lower East Side of NY. I have that address confirmed from the 1905 census and the birth certificates of 3 of his children 1902, 1904, and 1907. So "Jajgl" would have been born around 1886. (I calculate my grandfather's birth at around 1875.) What "Jajgl" really was keeps me up at night. Yankel? There are too many possibilities. I went through the 1910 NY census and came up with 2 Joseph Blitzes who might be possibilities. Both of their headstones show father "Moshe." My grandfather's headstone shows father "Mordechai." So I have tentatively eliminated them. I haven't found anything else on the 1910 census that looks like a good bet. 2. Another brother, Schulem Blitz, arrived 8/28/13, going to brother Morris Bitz at 532 "Block" Ave. Anyone from Brooklyn, NY will tell you that's Blake Ave., and my mother always said that by the time she was born (March 1914) her family had moved from the Lower East Side and was living on Blake Avenue. He left behind a wife, Gittel. I calculate his DOB as around 1875. Pretty close to my grandfather's age, then. I have not found any record of Gittel's arrival. We are from Zurawno, which was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire when my grandparents were born. I know from his headstone that my grandfather's father was Mordechai. My grandfather (Moshe/Morris Blitz) died in 1928, somewhere between the age of 52 and 57, and if there was an obit that would have listed relatives, I haven't found it. In my fruitless searches, I have found a Samuel Blitz dob 1867, but Hungarian. A Samuel Blitz dob 1867 dod 1932 cert 4094, Bronx. A Samuel Blitz dob 1880 dod 1922 cert 28292 Manhattan. I'm wondering if I should go after the deaths of "random" Samuels Blitz, and if there's a better way to go about it than ordering the death certs. I also found a Gittel Spitzer, daughter of Solomon and Gittel Blitz of **Russia,** so maybe not likely; she died 4/1/23 in Los Angeles, wife of Abraham Spitzer. I keep bumping up against a naturalization for a Schulim Seinwel Blitz, but I've ruled him out because the dates are too far off. I speculate that after my grandfather's death in 1928, my grandmother didn't have much to do with my grandfather's brothers. There doesn't seem to be any family memory. Also, perhaps intriguing and perhaps a McGuffin, there was a Blitz (probably first name Aaron - it's difficult to read) who lived practically around the corner from us and who witnessed my Aunt's marriage cert in 1928. I have traced the putative Aaron Blitz back as far as his father, Naftali, who probably would have been born in the 1870s (because Aaron was born circa 1891). Am trying to track his descendants but so far nothing sounds remotely familiar. Perhaps Aaron was my grandfather's cousin or nephew. So I'm worn out, possibly missing stuff, possibly not seeing the forest for the trees, and groping for a systematic way to attack the problems of Schulem and "Jajgl." Thoughts? Do any of you happen to be my cousin? B'shalom Wendy Griswold Searching: BLITZ, PFEIFFER, FEIFER, ROTHMAN: Zurawno and environs; USA, Argentina, Uruguay, Israel, Canada DWASS/DAVIS: Ekaterinoslaw (Dniepro) WENZELBERG (any spelling), Nowy Sacz area -- Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
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Re: 1917 marriage, 1935 death in Vienna
avivahpinski@verizon.net
For any vital information from Austria and surroundings (Moravia, etc) I suggest that you go to the website Genteam.org This is a free web site, but you need to register. It has all sorts of valuable information, including births, marriages (including the location of the marriage), place of death (including addresses), date and locations of burial, location of stone, etc. This web site lists marriages well into the 1930s. I urge anyone who is doing research in Vienna and the surrounding to check out this web site, if you have not already done so.
For your request, I went to Genteam.org, then "Datenbank" drop down menu to Vienna. For the search, I simply put in Grossbard Adolf. I suggest that you explore this web site further. It appears that the two individuals you have named may have had a marriage in the military in 1917. Unfortunately, the record does not list parents - possibly because it was a military marriage. Since the record is identified by number, you may be able to follow up on this. Here is what I found:.
Liinking on "Detail" for Adolf, I found the following:
If you go to Viennese Jewish cemeteries you will find the following:
Adolf is listed under Grossbart, along with several other individuals. I am sure that there is a wealth of more information that you can explore on Genteam.org. Avivah Pinski near Philadelphia -- Avivah R. Z. Pinski , near Philadelphia, USA
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STERNBERG family
#romania
Aline Petzold
I have been researching my father’s side of the family, last name “Sternberg”. My father, Joseph, was born in Bucharesti, but his oldest brother, Daniel, known as Nilu, was born in Botosani. I know that my father’s grandparents were Itzic and Ita Sternberg. I have obtained birth and death records of several “Sterinbergs” from Botosani, but none of these people have names familiar to me, and the dates of these documents do not correspond with what I know. How can I confirm that these Sterninbergs are actually my relatives and if not, how do I further my research on the Sternberg side of the family?
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Re: Searching:TSIBULSKY
#ukraine
Barbara Hemmendinger
Hello,
Since it is a fairly uncommon surname, I will mention that my paternal grandmother’s (Sarah Elk) maiden name was Zibulsky. She was born in Pereyaslav, Ukraine, in 1894. Her parents were Leib Yankov Zibulsky (1860-1937) and Ida Shefkowitz Zibulsky (1864-1948). Please PM me for more discussion, if you wish. Thanks. ~Barbara Elk Hemmendinger
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Moise Bondar in prison Jilava Fortul13
#romania
#bessarabia
David Choukroun
Dear all,
I am looking at information about the Fortul13 Jilava center in Roumania. Especially if there are means to find records related to : - Mr Moise Bondar (1917- 2004) from Sculeni, Jassi, Romania, who was in this prison between 1941 and 1944 - His wife Miss Betty Staerman (1924-2004) from Roman, Romania Thanks for your advices or direct findings, -- Regards, David david.choukroun@... FRANCE CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI
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