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Re: Nussdorfs brothers-Hungary or Berlin #germany #hungary

Bberiman597
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 09:00 AM, Judy Petersen wrote:
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Thanks Judy.  I will follow these up.  What is MCSE?  BARBARA


Re: The female Yiddish name Losche in the US? #names

Susan stone
 

My name was written in Hungarian by my great uncle on a family tree.  Szosa (after my great grandmother Szosa Laya).  But they all prounounced it Sossa or Sussa.  My name in English is Susan (eg shoshana in Hebrew but not my name).
The way he wrote it it should be pronounced Sosha (sz is like an s and s is like an sh).  So maybe he wrote it wrong or who knows.  But I think your name on the manifest was Soshe. .  It looked like an "L" but was an "S" for sure.  Sosche,no Losche.


Re: Given name SOSCHE #names

Susan stone
 

Barbara...
My name was written in Hungarian by my great uncle on a family tree.  Szosa (after my great grandmother Szosa Laya).  But they all prounounced it Sossa or Sussa.  My name in English is Susan (eg shoshana in Hebrew but not my name).
The way he wrote it it should be pronounced Sosha (sz is like an s and s is like an sh).  So maybe he wrote it wrong or who knows.  
I'll try and send this to Susan Goldsmith, too.  


Re: Given name SOSCHE #names

Susan stone
 

No, I don't think Shosche is Sora.  Is it in Beider's dictionary? I never heard this.  My name is Szosa laya.  My dad pronounced it Sossa.  (It was written in Hungarian.  Named after my ggm SZosa Laya).  


Re: Given name SOSCHE #names

Sandra B Landers
 

My grandmother’s Yiddish name was Soshe and was known as Sadie in the US.  I still have not been able to find her manifest entering the US in or around 1907.  Her maiden name was MOSKOWITZ or various spellings.  My sister was named after her and when she became a Bat Mitzvah as an adult the rabbi told her that Soshe was not a Jewish name and gave her the name Shoshana.


Re: 1917 marriage, 1935 death in Vienna

Joseph Lonstein
 

Sorry, I think my original question was unclear.  I had originally obtained that information from GenTeam.at and the IKG cemetery database.  The marriage and death are too recent to be on Ancestry (scans only cover up to 1911 for some districts).  How can I access records that are more recent and not online?  Will IKG provide? 
 
Thanks,
 
Joe Lonstein


Genealogy Research on LIEBERMAN and FRUMKIN from Byerazino, Belarus #belarus

jliebe97@...
 

Hello all,

I am researching my family history. I am searching for any information about my great-grandfather's family (including siblings, cousins, ancestors and descendants) which I believe is from Byerazino. I don't have any family documents from Europe, but a WWII draft card indicates that my great-grandfather, Henry Lieberman (I think he was also known as Hillel), is from Byerazino and his wife's U.S. naturalization document says he was born in Minsk. So I assume he is from Byerazino. I have attached those documents and some other relevant documents that I've come across (including a record of an earlier marriage) in case that is helpful.

The attached documents indicate Henry was born in December 1882, but it's possible he could have been born a few years earlier or later. His father's name was Zvulun Lieberman (note that his death record lists his father as Julius) and his mother's name was listed as Rochel/Rachel (maiden name listed as Frumkin). I am told that Henry/Hillel was one of around six known children. He had a sister who moved to South Africa (whose name and family I’ve never been able to find), he had a brother (youngest of the siblings) that I’m told was Yosef who we think stayed in Russia/Belarus, a pair of twin brothers that moved to the U.K. (whose name and family I’ve never been able to find), and a sister Bayla (known in U.S. records as Rebecca/Beckie) that moved to the U.S. and got married. (My grandfather knew some of Bayla’s family but they’ve been out of touch for decades and we can’t get in touch). I’m told Henry/Hillel deserted the czar’s army while fighting in the Russo-Japanese war in Manchuria in 1904 and then made his way to Shanghai, to Bombay (India), to potentially either South Africa or Suez Canal and then lived with his twin brothers in the U.K. for a few months before making his way to America, his final destination.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to verify if my Lieberman family is indeed from Byerazino? And where to find records on the family when they were in Byerazino or the Minsk area? Unfortunately, I haven’t come across any good matches on JewishGen. Also, if anyone thinks they may have a family connection please let me know.

Thank you so much, 

Jason


Re: Zibulsky family #ukraine

Alexander Sharon
 

Many Jewish surnames had Polish roots. Cybulski is probably how surname has been originally written.


Re: 1917 marriage, 1935 death in Vienna

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

You can find the same Viennese birth, marriage, death index information on Jewishgen’s Austria-Czech database as you will find on GenTeam. On JewishGen you can do a search for two surnames at the same time, which is very helpful. Also you can use the sounds like or phonetic spelling on JewishGen.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Re: Online trees #general

Max Heffler
 

And how is the “infinitesimal, insignificant,  number of the profiles there provide sources” different from any of the sites, especially those with “billions and billions” of conflicting trees?

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Alan Ehrlich via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 8:07 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Online trees #general

 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 08:32 AM, Max Heffler wrote:

Geni most certainly has a Sources tab for each profile and one random one I pulled up has links to 1920 and 1930 censuses. There is also a Media tab for each profile, Discussion, Revisions, etc…

Notwithstanding, nothing but an infinitesimal, insignificant,  number of the profiles there provide sources, "etc."... which indeed was one of the points of origin for the present discussion as well as others which recently appeared here.


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Re: Austria will Allow Descendants of Holocaust Victims to Receive Citizenship Beginning September 1st #holocaust

feising2@...
 

feising2@...

Before applying for Dual Nationality, one should read what the US State Department position is regarding this subject. 
See: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1d&q=US+State+Department+Services+Dual+Nationality

Frank Eisinger
Saint James, NY USA


JewishGen Education offers New Classes #JewishGenUpdates #education #announcements #general

Nancy Holden
 

A reminder that the second half of 2020 brings a variety of JewishGen classes to meet the research challenges for those who are new, those that want to renew skills and those who have reached brick walls or want to publish their research.

 

Skilled teachers offer interactive genealogy courses, featuring a personal mentoring program tailored to your research projects. JewishGen Education classes are offered in a private online FORUM open 24/7.  Students post an ancestral branch, set goals for their research, and work one on one with the instructor. 

 

Advanced Research in Belarus: The course explores records on JewishGen SIGs for shtetls and towns within the modern boundaries of Belarus. This includes parts of the former Lithuania, parts of Latvia and parts of Poland.  This course open for enrollment (scheduled Aug 23).

 

Using JewishGen to Research Ancestral Roots begins with an Introduction to Jewish History, Culture and Naming Patterns, moves into Finding your Shtetl, examines and explores the JewishGen Researcher and Country Databases, Jewish Records Indexing (JRI-P), and includes practical hints on translation, finding a researcher and other advanced topics. This course creates a bridge between the American Family data and those left behind in Europe, between records available on JewishGen and related sites and hiring a researcher (scheduled for winter 2020).

 

Independent Study.  This class offers students a chance to work on any genealogical project within the expertise  and with the agreement of the instructor. The course may include United States research or the country of immigrant origin for one branch, one surname studies,  or holocaust information searches. In order to qualify for this class and to ensure you can make progress, we ask that you submit an application. Details are on the Education Page (scheduled for October 2020).

 

East Prussia and the Baltic States with an emphasis on Kaunas, Latvia and Kaliningrad this class traces the migration patterns of Jews who moved from the Hamburg, Konigsberg area into Kaunas and Courland (scheduled for November 2020).

 

There are also many VAS classes offered “free” with a contribution in the past 12 months to the JewishGen General Fund. We also offer Home Study Classes at a minimal fee which are self-paced downloadable lessons.

 

Take a look at our fall schedule www.jewishgen.org/education

 

For each course students should have 8-10 hours per week to read the lessons, search online and interact with the instructor. Courses are open 24/7 to meet the needs of international students. Courses will open for enrollment 2 weeks before the starting date. Tuition is $150.  PLEASE read the course descriptions and requirements on www.jewishgen.org/education before enrolling in any course, and where required, complete the application.

 

We look forward to interfacing with every student

Nancy Holden, Director of Education  

nholden@...

 


Re: Issac Barr / Levine #usa

Jerry2000K@...
 

Hi Mordechai,

My Grandma Dwojra { Dora ) Barr ( Ber ) came from Warsaw to NYC in 1923. I believe her mothers name was Alta Broner /Brener. There family was all in the profession of baker. This all that I really know about my grandmas past. Hope this can help.
On another matter, On my Grandfathers papers it shows he came from Zabo Poland have you heard of this town?

Please advise
Gerald Kleinman, Florida
 


Re: Searching for Joseph Bernard Friedman #courland #latvia

Friedman, H George
 

"If Bertha Friedman was alive in 1890 she may have been enumerated in the special census called: The U.S. Census of Union Veterans and Widows of The Civil War.

It can be searched here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1877095"

Sherri,

Thanks for the suggestion. I had not thought about that. But I just ran it, and had no luck.

George Friedman
Champaign, IL


Re: Otto WEISZ, Vienna

Peter Lobbenberg
 

Dear Harvey

Anna Nyburg's fascinating book The Clothes On Our Backs (Valentine Mitchell 2020), subtitled "How Refugees from Nazism Revitalised the British Fashion Trade", has an entire chapter on Otto Weisz and his work for Pringle, at page 146.  (It happens that it also has a chapter on my own family.)  Warmly recommended.

Also, according to Genteam.at, an Otto Weiss [sic] was born to Dr. David Weiss [sic] and Rosa née Feuer in Vienna on 29 January 1908.  Anna Nyburg's book gives the same DOB.

Best wishes
Peter Lobbenberg, London


Re: Blitz family: trying to find my grandfather's brothers #records

Diane Jacobs
 

Jajgl could be Yechiel if the g sounds like h.

Diane Jacobs



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From: Wendy Griswold <wendygris@...>
Date: 8/9/20 9:25 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@... Notification" <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Blitz family: trying to find my grandfather's brothers #records

Hello cousins. Hope you are staying safe and finding genealogical gems.

My grandfather had 2 brothers who came to him through Ellis Island. I
can't seem to find anything on them after their arrival.

1. There was a "Jajgl" Blitz arr 31 July 1906 age 20, going to his
brother, my grandfather, Morris Blitz at 336 Houston St., on the Lower
East Side of NY. I have that address confirmed from the 1905 census
and the birth certificates of 3 of his children 1902, 1904, and 1907.
So "Jajgl" would have been born around 1886. (I calculate my
grandfather's birth at around 1875.)

What "Jajgl" really was keeps me up at night. Yankel? There are too
many possibilities.

I went through the 1910 NY census and came up with 2 Joseph Blitzes
who might be possibilities. Both of their headstones show father
"Moshe." My grandfather's headstone shows father "Mordechai." So I
have tentatively eliminated them. I haven't found anything else on the
1910 census that looks like a good bet.

2. Another brother, Schulem Blitz, arrived 8/28/13, going to brother
Morris Bitz at 532 "Block" Ave. Anyone from Brooklyn, NY will tell you
that's Blake Ave., and my mother always said that by the time she was
born (March 1914) her family had moved from the Lower East Side and
was living on Blake Avenue. He left behind a wife, Gittel. I calculate
his DOB as around 1875. Pretty close to my grandfather's age, then. I
have not found any record of Gittel's arrival.

We are from Zurawno, which was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire
when my grandparents were born.

I know from his headstone that my grandfather's father was Mordechai.
My grandfather (Moshe/Morris Blitz) died in 1928, somewhere between
the age of 52 and 57, and if there was an obit that would have listed
relatives, I haven't found it.

In my fruitless searches, I have found a Samuel Blitz dob 1867, but Hungarian.
A Samuel Blitz dob 1867 dod 1932 cert 4094, Bronx.
A Samuel Blitz dob 1880 dod 1922 cert 28292 Manhattan.
I'm wondering if I should go after the deaths of "random" Samuels
Blitz, and if there's a better way to go about it than ordering the
death certs.

I also found a Gittel Spitzer, daughter of Solomon and Gittel Blitz of
**Russia,** so maybe not likely; she died 4/1/23 in Los Angeles, wife
of Abraham Spitzer.

I keep bumping up against a naturalization for a Schulim Seinwel
Blitz, but I've ruled him out because the dates are too far off.

I speculate that after my grandfather's death in 1928, my grandmother
didn't have much to do with my grandfather's brothers. There doesn't
seem to be any family memory.

Also, perhaps intriguing and perhaps a McGuffin, there was a Blitz
(probably first name Aaron - it's difficult to read) who lived
practically around the corner from us and who witnessed my Aunt's
marriage cert in 1928. I have traced the putative Aaron Blitz back as
far as his father, Naftali, who probably would have been born in the
1870s (because Aaron was born circa 1891). Am trying to track his
descendants but so far nothing sounds remotely familiar. Perhaps Aaron
was my grandfather's cousin or nephew.

So I'm worn out, possibly missing stuff, possibly not seeing the
forest for the trees, and groping for a systematic way to attack the
problems of Schulem and "Jajgl."

Thoughts? Do any of you happen to be my cousin?

B'shalom
Wendy Griswold
Searching: BLITZ, PFEIFFER, FEIFER, ROTHMAN: Zurawno and environs;
USA, Argentina, Uruguay, Israel, Canada
DWASS/DAVIS: Ekaterinoslaw (Dniepro)
WENZELBERG (any spelling), Nowy Sacz area
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: 1917 marriage, 1935 death in Vienna

avivahpinski@verizon.net
 

For any vital information from Austria and surroundings (Moravia, etc)  I suggest that you go to the website Genteam.org   This is a free web site, but you need to register.  It has all sorts of valuable information, including births, marriages (including the location of the marriage), place of death (including addresses), date and locations of burial, location of stone, etc.  This web site lists marriages well into the 1930s.  I urge anyone who is doing research in Vienna and the surrounding to check out this web site, if you have not already done so. 

For your request,  I went to Genteam.org, then "Datenbank"  drop down menu to Vienna.  For the search, I simply put in Grossbard Adolf.   I suggest that you explore this web site further.    It appears that the two individuals you have named may have had a marriage in the military in 1917.  Unfortunately, the record does not list parents - possibly because it was a military marriage. Since the record is identified by number, you may be able to follow up on this.   Here is what I found:.



No. Details Year Last Name First Name Code Location First Name Father
214033
1917 Grossbard Adolf 2 Militärseelsorge  
310195
1917 Kupferstein recte Binder Fanny 2 Militärseelsorge

Liinking on  "Detail" for Adolf, I found the following:
No. 214033
Last Name Grossbard
First Name Adolf
Code 2
First Name Father  
Last Name Mother  
First Name Mother  
Location Militärseelsorge
Book  
Volume MS4
Date 24.05.1917
Number 46
Number Add  
Page  
Addition  
Last Name Bride Kupferstein recte Binder
First Name Bride Fanny
Age

If you go to Viennese Jewish cemeteries you will find the following:
15291
Grossbard Betti 66 1938.11.04 ZF Tor 4 20
12469
Grossbard Frimme 72 1938.01.30 ZF Tor 4 48
66349
Grossbard Isak 49 1931.06.12 ZF Tor 4 7
65372
Grossbard Juda 64 1939.06.09 ZF Tor 4 8
114121
Grossbard Salomon 57 1931.11.01 ZF Tor 4 26
35614
Grossbard Sarah 55 1933.03.24 ZF Tor 4 9

Adolf is listed under Grossbart, along with several other individuals.
I am sure that there is a wealth of more information that you can explore on Genteam.org. 
Avivah Pinski
near Philadelphia


--
Avivah R. Z. Pinski ,  near Philadelphia, USA


STERNBERG family #romania

Aline Petzold
 

I have been researching my father’s side of the family, last name “Sternberg”.  My father, Joseph, was born in Bucharesti, but his oldest brother, Daniel, known as Nilu, was born in Botosani. I know that my father’s grandparents were Itzic and Ita Sternberg.   I have  obtained birth and death records of several “Sterinbergs” from Botosani, but none of these people have names familiar to me, and the dates of these documents do not correspond with what I know.  How can I confirm that these Sterninbergs are actually my relatives and if not, how do I further my research on the Sternberg side of the family?
Aline Petzold
linypetzold@...


Re: Searching:TSIBULSKY #ukraine

Barbara Hemmendinger
 

Hello,
Since it is a fairly uncommon surname, I will mention that my paternal grandmother’s (Sarah Elk) maiden name was Zibulsky.  She was born in Pereyaslav, Ukraine, in 1894.  Her parents were Leib Yankov Zibulsky (1860-1937) and Ida Shefkowitz Zibulsky (1864-1948).  Please PM me for more discussion, if you wish.  Thanks. 

~Barbara Elk Hemmendinger 


Moise Bondar in prison Jilava Fortul13 #romania #bessarabia

David Choukroun
 

Dear all,

I am looking at information about the Fortul13 Jilava center in Roumania.

Especially if there are means to find records related to :

- Mr Moise Bondar (1917- 2004) from Sculeni, Jassi, Romania, who was in this prison between 1941 and 1944
- His wife Miss Betty Staerman (1924-2004) from Roman, Romania

Thanks for your advices or direct findings, 
--
Regards,
David

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI

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