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Re: Searching:TSIBULSKY #ukraine
From: greg tsyb <gregtsy@...>
Date: Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:07 AM
My name Is Gregory Tsybulsky, father of Miriam, my father's name was David Tsybulsky. His father's name was Gershel Tsybulsky. He is from Ukraine, Poltava region, small town Gadiach. He was born in 1898. I have relatives living in Israel and USA. Go to website "23 and me" and we can check our DNA and how close we are.
After many long years since Pierre Hahn and I began the FrenchSIG we are
looking to retire peacefully.
At last count the SIG had 998 members. I have been asking for some
time, and am now strongly asking
again. Is there someone, or perhaps a couple of members to share the
job, who would be interested,
and feel qualified, to take over to keep a French Research Group
alive? There are some excellent
responses for help in France now showing up on this list. If you feel
able and willing to keep the
French Group going we would very much wish to hear from you!
Palo Alto CA USA
Re: The female Yiddish name Losche in the US? #names
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It is known that in handwriting the letters C, S AND L are often mistaken for each other.
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My name was written in Hungarian by my great uncle on a family tree. Szosa (after my great grandmother Szosa Laya). But they all prounounced it Sossa or Sussa. My name in English is Susan (eg shoshana in Hebrew but not my name).
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From: "Susan stone via groups.jewishgen.org" <momteller=yahoo.com@...>
Date: 8/9/20 12:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] The female Yiddish name Losche in the US? #names
The way he wrote it it should be pronounced Sosha (sz is like an s and s is like an sh). So maybe he wrote it wrong or who knows. But I think your name on the manifest was Soshe. . It looked like an "L" but was an "S" for sure. Sosche,no Losche.
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
While not in answer to your query, one fact drew my attention concerning your g-g-grandmother Rochel FRUMKIN.
I am researching the BRAUDE family from Kelme, Kovno, Lithuania, including the rabbinic BRAUDE dynasty.
You wrote: "The attached documents indicate Henry was born in December 1882, but it's possible he could have been born a few years earlier or later. His father's name was Zvulun Lieberman (note that his death record lists his father as Julius) and his mother's name was listed as Rochel/Rachel (maiden name listed as Frumkin)."
On my tree is a Rabbi Shmuel KELMER (1798-1867) one of whose wives was Frume BRAUDE (1815-?). The children of this marriage took the surname FRUMKIN, presumably in honor of their mother Fruma. I do not know how widespread is the surname FRUMKIN, but there may be a connection between your g-g-grandmother and the FRUMKIN family from Kelme.
For others reading this message who may be knowledgable of the FRUMKIN family from Kelme, I would welcome corrections. The dates associated with my FRUMKIN tree members are somewhat inconsistent and contradictory.
Porter Ranch, CA
Jan Meisels Allen
The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) in collaboration with SephardicGen announced The Jeff Malka SephardicGen Database Collection.. The collection commemorates Jeff Malka and the late Mathilde Tagger z”l and SephardicGen. Dr. Malka’s permission for making part of the IGRA collection has enabled them to incorporate it into the All Israel Database.
The collection includes 43,000 records. A list of the SephardicGen databases that will be accessible through the IGRA database search is included on the List of SephardicGen Databases (https://genealogy.org.il/resources/sephardicgen/list/) page. To search these databases, you can search the IGRA Database (https://genealogy.org.il/AID/) ) and results from these databases will now be part of the search results.
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SephardicGen was created in 1997 and the primary goal is to help useful information to its visitors researching the Sephardic roots, https://sephardicgen.com
IGRA is the largest genealogy society in Israel. They work with dozens of archives to make records available online, from where we’ve added over a million records to our database.
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Subcarpathia Research Division Virtual Meeting #subcarpathia
The JewishGen Subcarpathia Research Division (formerly the
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Does anyone know if civil registration records exist for Fulek/Filakovo and Aszod. They are not on FamilySearch.
In Hebrew. I wish there were an English translation...
I used to replace my trees on Ancestry and MyHeritage each January 1 but after attaching all of the record matches and DNA connections they quickly became impossible to keep fresh. So I just keep my local database and geni up-to-date. Simplifies things tremendously.
From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of JPmiaou via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Online trees #general
Max Heffler wrote:
Geni most certainly has a Sources tab for each profile
...but adding citations to it is well-nigh impossible, at least in the non-Flash interface. For links, it auto-generates an image which cannot be edited, which means that all FS citations have a thumbnail of an error message. And there
are three or four layers of "just attach the dratted thing already!" involved in getting even that malformed citation onto a profile. It's no wonder nobody bothers.
Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project: www.texsys.com/websites.html
Jason, take into account in searching Henry's birth place that there are TWO Berezino (this is, by the way, the Russian spelling) in Belarus: one is about 200 km North and another 100 km East to Minsk.
I have "doubled" you the search, sorry.
Josef ASH, Israel
> When I look at your lInk, the transliteration says SISSEL but the Hebrew letters there would sound more like ZEESIL. That might be an option to look for.
> Reba Harris Solomon
> New York, USA--
it is indeed a zayin. It is transliterated to Sissel because it is a German transliteration, not an English transliteration, and in such a situation a German S is pronounced like an English Z.
Ralph N. Baer RalphNBaer@... Washington, DC
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Name of Galicia #galicia
And, of course, the one established by those same GALs/Celts in Asia Minor, still there when Saul/Paul (“a Hebrew’s Hebrew”) sent his “Epistle to the Galatians.”
--Frank Schulaner, Kealakekua HI
Re: Given name SOSCHE #names
Sosche or Soske is to my knowledge another name for Sara.
Re: Magid's Toldot Michpachat Ginzburg #rabbinic
Did you do y chromosome?
Were you descended on the maternal or paternal side?
Re: HEN family #general
I am interested to know about Chen vs Gen' connection. Also, Ginzburg connection.
My cousin mentioned that we are related to a GELBENDORF family which
had a branch in Montreal. The ones he met many years ago would be in
their early 100 y.o. so presumably they would not be live today.
He presumes that they came from ancestral city of
Brisk/Brest-litovsk. We are KATZOFF but GELBENDORF may be connected
to PITTERMAN or VOLENSKY also our family. I'd be happy to confirm the
above connection to GELBENDORF to compare family connections.
Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem
Max Heffler wrote:
Geni most certainly has a Sources tab for each profile...but adding citations to it is well-nigh impossible, at least in the non-Flash interface. For links, it auto-generates an image which cannot be edited, which means that all FS citations have a thumbnail of an error message. And there are three or four layers of "just attach the dratted thing already!" involved in getting even that malformed citation onto a profile. It's no wonder nobody bothers.
Granted, other tree sites all have their own problems, sources-wise. On Ancestry, it's easy enough to attach Ancestry's sources (if you've paid them enough money recently), but good luck with outside sources -- you have to fill out a form that consists almost entirely of totally-inapplicable fields. (Author? It's a vital register, it has no author. Publisher? It's a vital register, it has never been published. Publication date? Grrr, what part of _not published_ is so hard to comprehend...?) And then it eats all the whitespace in the transcription. Oh, and if you need to attach the same source to another profile, you have to start over at the very beginning.
I've never managed to attach a source on MyHeritage. If I allow the tree-propagation process to add a cousin's mistakes, er, I mean entries, then the system can auto-generate a citation of the cousin's tree; I've figured out how to edit that citation, but I have yet to find a means of adding any others. (No, I haven't looked all that hard; the site has too many paywalls for me to invest too much time in it.)
WikiTree tries to emphasize sourcing, but the interface is pretty miserable; you basically have to write code, and it's not possible to link between the entry fields and the citations.
FS's sourcing can be a bit schizophrenic due to its misguided emphasis on indexed data, but overall, I find it easiest to use. I especially like the ability to write up a citation just once and then attach it to everyone mentioned, which is quite handy for things like funeral notices.
But recently FamilySearch has recruited "volunteers" who now add whatever they want to my tree.Huh? I wonder what has been mangled into this misconception. FamilySearch falls in the communal tree category: there is no "my tree" and "your tree" on the site, and everyone who adds data to the tree is a volunteer, including you and me. Yes, users make mistakes, especially when different people have the same name -- but nobody recruited those users, for any purpose; they're just people working on genealogy, exactly like you and me.
Help finding a naturalization in ED or SD NY for Sosche TOBIAS #usa
Sosche TOBIAS arrived 13 Jun 1943 in NYC from Hamburg on the Vaterland. https://www.tinyurl.com/y5lqwd78, line 1.
There is a notation on the manifest: 2-122347?, I think, if I am reading it correctly, dated 20 Feb 1943. I am trying to find Sosche's actual naturalization documents, so far without success.
I know the 2 is for New York; I tried the number 122347 in the FamilySearch catalog of films for ED NY, but it didn't work. Do I know from the date that it is merely a verification date or is it an admission to citizenship date? Does the number mean anything? Have I read the number correctly? Is there a way to get Sosche's petition number? I have tried GermanGen and JGSNY for Sosche or another name beginning with S with no luck. Should I start with 20 Feb 1943 as a naturalization date and go through ED NY films page by page?
Am I correct that only the ED NY actual naturalization documents are online on Family Search and not the SD NY actual naturalization documents?
Is there a naturalization maven in the house?
San Francisco Bay Area, CA
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland