Re: Searching:TSIBULSKY #ukraine


From: greg tsyb <gregtsy@...>
Date: Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:07 AM

Hi, Cheryl,
My name Is Gregory Tsybulsky, father of Miriam, my father's name was David Tsybulsky. His father's name was Gershel Tsybulsky. He is from Ukraine, Poltava region, small town Gadiach. He was born in 1898. I have relatives living in Israel and USA. Go to website "23 and me" and we can check our DNA and how close we are.
Thank you,

French Research Group #france #JewishGenUpdates

Rosanne Leeson

After many long years since Pierre Hahn and I began the FrenchSIG we are
looking to retire peacefully.
At last count the SIG had 998 members.  I have been asking for some
time, and am now strongly asking
again.   Is there someone, or perhaps a couple of members to share the
job, who would be interested,
and feel qualified, to take over to keep a French Research Group
alive?   There are some excellent
responses for help in France now showing up on this list.  If you feel
able and willing to keep the
French Group going we would very much wish to hear from you!

Rosanne Leeson
Palo Alto CA  USA

Re: The female Yiddish name Losche in the US? #names

Diane Jacobs

It is known that in handwriting the letters C, S AND L are often mistaken for each other.

Diane Jacobs 

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Subject: Re: [] The female Yiddish name Losche in the US? #names

My name was written in Hungarian by my great uncle on a family tree.  Szosa (after my great grandmother Szosa Laya).  But they all prounounced it Sossa or Sussa.  My name in English is Susan (eg shoshana in Hebrew but not my name).
The way he wrote it it should be pronounced Sosha (sz is like an s and s is like an sh).  So maybe he wrote it wrong or who knows.  But I think your name on the manifest was Soshe. .  It looked like an "L" but was an "S" for sure.  Sosche,no Losche.

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Genealogy Research on LIEBERMAN and FRUMKIN from Byerazino, Belarus #belarus


Hello Jason
While not in answer to your query, one fact drew my attention concerning your g-g-grandmother Rochel FRUMKIN.
I am researching the BRAUDE family from Kelme, Kovno, Lithuania, including the rabbinic BRAUDE dynasty.
You wrote: "The attached documents indicate Henry was born in December 1882, but it's possible he could have been born a few years earlier or later. His father's name was Zvulun Lieberman (note that his death record lists his father as Julius) and his mother's name was listed as Rochel/Rachel (maiden name listed as Frumkin)." 
On my tree is a Rabbi Shmuel KELMER (1798-1867) one of whose wives was Frume BRAUDE (1815-?). The children of this marriage took the surname FRUMKIN, presumably in honor of their mother Fruma. I do not know how widespread is the surname FRUMKIN, but there may be a connection between your g-g-grandmother and the FRUMKIN family from Kelme.
For others reading this message who may be knowledgable of the FRUMKIN family from Kelme, I would welcome corrections. The dates associated with my FRUMKIN tree members are somewhat inconsistent and contradictory.
Bob Weiss
Porter Ranch, CA

IGRA Adds Significant Sephardic Collection to its Database #announcements #israel #sephardic

Jan Meisels Allen

The Israel Genealogy Research Association  (IGRA) in collaboration with SephardicGen announced The Jeff Malka SephardicGen Database Collection.. The collection commemorates Jeff Malka and the late Mathilde Tagger z”l and SephardicGen. Dr. Malka’s permission for making part of the IGRA collection has enabled them to incorporate it into the All Israel Database.


The collection includes 43,000 records. A list of the SephardicGen databases that will be accessible through the IGRA database search is included on the List of SephardicGen Databases ( page. To search these databases, you can search the IGRA Database ( ) and results from these databases will now be part of the search results.


An overview of the added resources can be found here:


You must be registered to access the IGRA website –registration is free.


To read the press release go to:


Dr. Jeff Malka was instrumental in providing material to the Sephardic SIG which he continues to develop and enhance. He has lectured at the US Library of Congress, genealogy conferences and Jewish genealogy societies in Canada, US, Spain and Turkey. Dr. Malka is author of several articles on Sephardic genealogy in Etsi, the journal of the Sephardi Genealogical and Historical Society, and is author of several chapters in Avotaynu Guide to Jewish Genealogy and created the SephardicGen website. Dr. Malka has accumulated unique expertise in the resources available to Sephardic genealogists.


SephardicGen was created in 1997 and the primary goal is to help useful information to its visitors researching the Sephardic roots,


IGRA is the largest genealogy society in Israel.  They work with dozens of archives to make records available online, from where we’ve added over a million records to our database.

For more information on IGRA contact Garri Regev, at president@...


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Subcarpathia Research Division Virtual Meeting #subcarpathia

Lara Diamond

The JewishGen Subcarpathia Research Division (formerly the
Subcarpathia SIG) will meet virtually on Monday August 10, from 4-5PM,
U.S. Eastern time.

I will be giving a presentation on the Division’s recent activities,
including records added to JewishGen and others recently indexed. You
do NOT have to be a paid conference attendee to join in. However,
whether or not you’ve paid for the conference, you do need to register
to attend this and other “Free Access Sessions.” Please read more


Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website
(, sign in, and
select “Update Your Info.” Then click “Edit” and page through your
registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select your
choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to
save them.


If you have not registered for the conference and want to have access
to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to and
register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select your
choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to
save them.

If you have already registered for limited free access but did not
select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit your
registration to include your choices. Follow through to the end of the
registration to save them.

For more information about the conference see or . Registration questions/problems?
Contact the conference organizers at registration@....

Lara Diamond
JewishGen Subcarpathia Research Director

civil registration records for Fulek/Filakovo and Aszod #hungary #slovakia

joseph just

Does anyone know if civil registration records exist for Fulek/Filakovo and Aszod. They are not on FamilySearch.
Joseph Just

Re: Ginzburg family #belarus #germany #names

David Ellis

In Hebrew.  I wish there were an English translation...

Re: Online trees #general

Max Heffler

I used to replace my trees on Ancestry and MyHeritage each January 1 but after attaching all of the record matches and DNA connections they quickly became impossible to keep fresh. So I just keep my local database and geni up-to-date. Simplifies things tremendously.


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Subject: Re: [] Online trees #general


Max Heffler wrote:

Geni most certainly has a Sources tab for each profile

...but adding citations to it is well-nigh impossible, at least in the non-Flash interface. For links, it auto-generates an image which cannot be edited, which means that all FS citations have a thumbnail of an error message. And there are three or four layers of "just attach the dratted thing already!" involved in getting even that malformed citation onto a profile. It's no wonder nobody bothers.


Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project:

Re: Genealogy Research on LIEBERMAN and FRUMKIN from Byerazino, Belarus #belarus

Dr.Josef ASH

Jason, take into account in searching Henry's birth place that there are TWO Berezino (this is, by the way, the Russian spelling) in Belarus: one is about 200 km North  and another 100 km East to Minsk.
I have "doubled" you the search, sorry.
Josef ASH, Israel

Re: The Given Name Sissel #names #germany

Ralph Baer

> When I look at your lInk, the transliteration says SISSEL but the Hebrew letters there would sound more like ZEESIL.  That might be an option to look for. 
> Reba Harris Solomon
> New York, USA

it is indeed a zayin. It is transliterated to Sissel because it is a German transliteration, not an English transliteration, and in such a situation a German S is pronounced like an English Z. 
Ralph N. Baer        RalphNBaer@...       Washington, DC

JewishGen Education offers Fall Schedule #JewishGenUpdates #announcements #education

Nancy Holden

A reminder that the second half of 2020 brings a variety of JewishGen
classes to meet the research challenges for those who are new, those
that want to renew skills and those who have reached brick walls or
want to publish their research.

Skilled teachers offer interactive genealogy courses, featuring a
personal mentoring program tailored to your research projects. JewishGen
education classes are offered in a private online FORUM open 24/7.
Students post an ancestral branch, set goals for their research, and
work one on one with the instructor.

Advanced Research in Belarus: The course explores records on JewishGen
Research Divisions for shtetls and towns within the modern boundaries of Belarus.
This includes parts of the former Lithuania, parts of Latvia and parts
of Poland. This course open for enrollment (scheduled Aug 23).

Using JewishGen to Research Ancestral Roots begins with an Introduction
to Jewish History, Culture and Naming Patterns, moves into Finding your
Shtetl, examines and explores the JewishGen Researcher and Country
Databases, Jewish Records Indexing (JRI-P), and includes practical
hints on translation, finding a researcher and other advanced topics.
This course creates a bridge between the American Family data and those
left behind in Europe, between records available on JewishGen and
related sites and hiring a researcher (scheduled for winter 2020).

Independent Study. This class offers students a chance to work on any
genealogical project within the expertise and with the agreement of
the instructor. The course may include United States research or the
country of immigrant origin for one branch, one surname studies, or
holocaust information searches. In order to qualify for this class and
to ensure you can make progress, we ask that you submit an application.
Details are on the Education Page (scheduled for October 2020).

East Prussia and the Baltic States with an emphasis on Kaunas, Latvia
and Kaliningrad this class traces the migration patterns of Jews who
moved from the Hamburg, Konigsberg area into Kaunas and Courland
(scheduled for November 2020).

There are also many VAS classes offered "free" with a contribution in
the past 12 months to the JewishGen General Fund. We also offer Home
Study Classes at a minimal fee which are self-paced downloadable lessons.

Take a look at our fall schedule

For each course students should have 8-10 hours per week to read the
lessons, search online and interact with the instructor. Courses are
open 24/7 to meet the needs of international students. Courses will open
for enrollment 2 weeks before the starting date. Tuition is $150. PLEASE
read the course descriptions and requirements on before enrolling in any course, and where
required, complete the application.

We look forward to interfacing with every student

Nancy Holden,
Director of Education

The IAJGS Virtual Conference Begins Tomorrow #jgs-iajgs #announcements

Chuck Weinstein

Join us this week at the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies (IAJGS) 40th Anniversary Conference on Jewish Genealogy! The
excitement begins Monday, August 10th and runs through the end of day
Thursday, August 13th. All session times are posted in Eastern Daylight
Time (New York Time or GMT-4). Check out our program at

There are sessions for every Jewish genealogist!

- 38 Live Sessions
- Over 70 Additional Pre-Recorded Sessions to View On Demand
- Special Interest Group (SIG) Meetings
- Birds-of-a-Feather Sessions
- IAJGS Annual Meeting & Awards
- Leadership Management Seminars
- JewishGen Annual Meeting
- 2 Genealogy Game Shows
- Mini film festival and Meet the Filmakers sessions
And a whole lot more!

In addition to Full Conference Attendee privileges for paying attendees,
we offer some Limited Access sessions to non-paying genealogists with
Registration (to keep us safe).

Check out our program at and join us and over 1,700 fellow
Jewish Genealogists!

Chuck Weinstein
Communications Director
40th Annual (and first Virtual) IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy

Name of Galicia #galicia

Frank Schulaner

And, of course, the one established by those same GALs/Celts in Asia Minor, still there when Saul/Paul (“a Hebrew’s Hebrew”) sent his “Epistle to the Galatians.”
--Frank Schulaner, Kealakekua HI

Re: Given name SOSCHE #names

Judith Goldsmith

Sosche or Soske is to my knowledge another name for Sara.

Re: Magid's Toldot Michpachat Ginzburg #rabbinic


Hi Jim
Did you do y chromosome?
Were you descended on the maternal or paternal side?

Val Ginzburg 

Re: HEN family #general



I am interested to know about Chen vs Gen' connection. Also, Ginzburg connection.

GELBENDORF-Poland/Montreal #canada

Yonatan Ben-Ari

My cousin mentioned that we are related to a GELBENDORF family which
had a branch in Montreal. The ones he met many years ago would be in
their early 100 y.o. so presumably they would not be live today.

He presumes that they came from ancestral city of
Brisk/Brest-litovsk. We are KATZOFF but GELBENDORF may be connected
to PITTERMAN or VOLENSKY also our family. I'd be happy to confirm the
above connection to GELBENDORF to compare family connections.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

Re: Online trees #general


Max Heffler wrote:
Geni most certainly has a Sources tab for each profile
...but adding citations to it is well-nigh impossible, at least in the non-Flash interface. For links, it auto-generates an image which cannot be edited, which means that all FS citations have a thumbnail of an error message. And there are three or four layers of "just attach the dratted thing already!" involved in getting even that malformed citation onto a profile. It's no wonder nobody bothers.

Granted, other tree sites all have their own problems, sources-wise. On Ancestry, it's easy enough to attach Ancestry's sources (if you've paid them enough money recently), but good luck with outside sources -- you have to fill out a form that consists almost entirely of totally-inapplicable fields. (Author? It's a vital register, it has no author. Publisher? It's a vital register, it has never been published. Publication date? Grrr, what part of _not published_ is so hard to comprehend...?) And then it eats all the whitespace in the transcription. Oh, and if you need to attach the same source to another profile, you have to start over at the very beginning.

I've never managed to attach a source on MyHeritage. If I allow the tree-propagation process to add a cousin's mistakes, er, I mean entries, then the system can auto-generate a citation of the cousin's tree; I've figured out how to edit that citation, but I have yet to find a means of adding any others. (No, I haven't looked all that hard; the site has too many paywalls for me to invest too much time in it.)

WikiTree tries to emphasize sourcing, but the interface is pretty miserable; you basically have to write code, and it's not possible to link between the entry fields and the citations.

FS's sourcing can be a bit schizophrenic due to its misguided emphasis on indexed data, but overall, I find it easiest to use. I especially like the ability to write up a citation just once and then attach it to everyone mentioned, which is quite handy for things like funeral notices.

hccolby wrote:
But recently FamilySearch has recruited "volunteers" who now add whatever they want to my tree.
Huh? I wonder what has been mangled into this misconception. FamilySearch falls in the communal tree category: there is no "my tree" and "your tree" on the site, and everyone who adds data to the tree is a volunteer, including you and me. Yes, users make mistakes, especially when different people have the same name -- but nobody recruited those users, for any purpose; they're just people working on genealogy, exactly like you and me.

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Help finding a naturalization in ED or SD NY for Sosche TOBIAS #usa

Susan Goldsmith

Dear Genners,
Sosche TOBIAS arrived 13 Jun 1943 in NYC from Hamburg on the Vaterland., line 1.  
There is a notation on the manifest: 2-122347?, I think, if I am reading it correctly, dated 20 Feb 1943.  I am trying to find Sosche's actual naturalization documents, so far without success. 
I know the 2 is for New York; I tried the number 122347 in the FamilySearch catalog of films for ED NY, but it didn't work.  Do I know from the date that it is merely a verification date or is it an admission to citizenship date?  Does the number mean anything?  Have I read the number correctly? Is there a way to get Sosche's petition number?  I have tried GermanGen and JGSNY for Sosche or another name beginning with S with no luck. Should I start with 20 Feb 1943 as a naturalization date and go through ED NY films page by page?
Am I correct that only the ED NY actual naturalization documents are online on Family Search and not the SD NY actual naturalization documents? 
Is there a naturalization maven in the house?
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA



Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland

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