Re: Question re: unfamiliar family names and dead end research #general #names


I was able to ascertain the names of great-grandparents who did not emigrate to the USA through the marriage certificates of my grandparents.  Naturalization papers and birth certificates will also give hints. In some cases, you may not be able to ascertain whether people are related, at least for now.  That is the case for me in my Slonimsky line. 
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: Prince from Ukraine #ukraine


Just for fun I plugged "Parkan" into Google Translate. I did a reverse lookup and it told me that паркан (parkan) is  Ukrainian for fence.

Subject: Rubin, Adler, Brikman and Broker families from the Ropshitz Dynasty #general

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the descendants of the late cardiologist,
Dr. Samuel Rubin who died in 2012. His children are Rena (married Dr.
Baruch Adler, DDS), Dr. Menachem Pinchas Rubin, neurologist (whose
daughter is Chaya Tamara,married Dr. Asaf Klein, rheumatologist), Dr
Sholem Rubin, DDS) and Chaya Gita (Aviva who married Dr. Martin Moshe
Broker, radiologist).

Re: Magid's Toldot Michpachat Ginzburg #rabbinic

Alan Ehrlich

Re. David Maggid, "Toledot Mishpechoth Gintzburg,", St. Petersburg, 1899, although there may well be Hebrew phrases mixed in, the copy I have appears to be written in Yiddish.

I too would be very interested to hear of any 'family trees' issued from the information in Maggid's book...

The only one I've come across so far (by David Kaufmann 1898) concerns a single branch: the Öttingen - Ries(s) - Wiener family who are the descendants of Bunlin aka Bona, Bunla, daughter of Simon \ Schimon \ "Seligman" Ulmo - Günzburg:

"Mordechai Model Öttingen und seine Kinder", von Prof. Dr. David Kaufmann   
Monatsschrift für Geschichte und Wissenschaft des Judentums, 1898
Alan Ehrlich
Geneva, Switzerland

Re: ViewMate translation request - Hebrew #translation


thanks, much appreciated

Re: GINSBURG of St. Petersburg #general

Alan Ehrlich

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 09:23 AM, Alan Ehrlich wrote:
David Maggid, "Toledot Mishpechoth Gintzburg," Pg. 239, St. Petersburg, 1899
Correction (previously showed line for a like-named cousin of his):

1.  Meir Zurich, d. 1345.


2.  Baruch ben Meir Zurich, b. 1319, d. 1382.  He married Guetlin - Kalonoymos, b. 1328 (daughter of Smoe (Samuel) ben Baruch and Name Unknown), d. 1417.


3.  Lemlin ben Baruch, b. 1355 in Burgau (D), d. 1410.  He married Zuerlin Unknown, b. 1360 (daughter of Baruch ben Meir Zurich and Guetlin - Kalonoymos), d. 1436.


4.  Falk ben Lemlin, b. 1390 in Augsburg, Bavaria (D), d. 1465 in Ulm, Baden-Württemberg (D).  He married Name Unknown.


5.  Schmuel (Samuel) ben Falk, b. 1418 in Augsburg (D), d. 1478.  He married Name Unknown.


6.  Jechiel ben Schmuel Porto, also known as Jechiel aus Oporto, also known as Jechiel ben Schmuel, b. 1445, d. 1505.  He married Frimes bat Aharon ben Schmuel.


7.  Elieser Ullmo - Günzburg, also known as Rabbi Abraham Günzburg, also known as Eliezer Avraham Ulmo, b. 1477 in (P), d. 1544.  He married Simche Unknown.


8.  Simon / Schimon / "Seligman" Ulmo - Günzburg, nickname Der reichen Schimon Günzburg zu Burgau, also known as Shimon ben Elieser Ulmo Guenzburg, also known as Simon Elieser Ulm aus Günzburg, b. 1506 in Günsburg, Bayern (D), b. 1505, resided FIRST in Günsburg, Bayern (D), resided LATER in Burgau, Schwaben Bavaria, (D), occupation "Reicher Kaufmann" [= rich merchant], occupation Talmudist, occupation Built synagog and created cemetary in Gunsbürg, Bayern (D), occupation Rabbiner und Haupt der angesehenen Jischiwa in Burgau (D), occupation Kaiserlicher Hoffaktor in der Österreischen Marktgrafschaft, occupation Parnass, d. 9 Jan 1585 in Burgau, Schwaben Bavaria, (D), d. 1584 OR 1585 OR 1586 depending on the source.  He married Hannele / Händel bat R. Isaak Linz (daughter of Rabbi Isaak Linz ben Eljakim - Linz and Tserlin Unknown), d. 1 Nov 1593, d. 1594, d. 6 Cheswan 1593.


Re: ViewMate translation request - Hebrew #translation


Good morning,


Last name Geller

First name  Dora

Father’s name  Max

Mother’s name  Fania

Date of birth  1920

Place of birth  Zlodow

Residence  Zlodow

Nationality   Polish

Residence during the war  ZlodowPlace of death  Zlodov,  1943  annihilation of all the town’s jews

Family situation Married – 2 children’s

Maiden name  Dora Gleis

Husband’s name  Reuven Geller  28 years old


Submitted by

Tidhar Zvi of Yad Eliyahu, Lagiardia St.  41

Relation – Cousin of Dora Geller

Signed in Tel Aviv


Shalom, Malka Chosnek



Re: 1917 marriage, 1935 death in Vienna


According to his marriage record (Vienna Jewish Militärseelsorge 1917) Adolf GROSSBART was born Dec 1, 1889 in Biala, Galicia, to Benjamin GROSSBART and his wife Fanny/Feigel nee OFFNER. Adolf married May 24, 1917 Fanny BINDER, born Jul 19, 1892 in Jaroslau, Galicia, to Wolf BINDER (KUPFERSTEIN) and Chane nee KÜHNBERG. That time Adolf had military service as a "Feldgendarm". Daughter Herta was born Aug 28, 1918 in Vienna. Adolf commited suicid Dec 28, 1935 in Vienna. He was buried alone at Vienna Zentralfriedhof Tor 4, 16a-7-9. As fare as I can see non of his ancestors appears in Vienna. His wife was deported 1941 from Vienna and murdered Nov 29, 1941 in Kowno/Kaunas

Re: Hungarian translation #hungary #translation

Klára Majoros

Dear Joseph,
I have no time for a detailed translation but the essence is that after different court cases in two courts the marriage ended with a divorce on 21 Febr. 1903.


Re: STERNBERG family #romania


I have lots of Sternbergs in my family tree.  Go to and see my Sternbergs.  Hope we have a match!  Barbara Hacker Berman

Re: UPDATE: JewishGen @IAJGS2020 #JewishGenUpdates #events

Chuck Weinstein

Full conference registration is at 

Full registration is $325 and includes over 60 on demand lectures as well as about 40 live events from today, Monday August 10 through Thursday, August 13.

Chuck Weinstein

Re: Data Breach at GEDmatch has Concerns Over Privacy #dna #announcements

Chuck Weinstein

As far as the known facts are concerned, someone hacked into GEDMatches database and changed everyone's privacy settings to public.  A number of unknown matches were injected into the systerm.  It might have been from law enforcement or from somewhere else, but either way, it caused the entire database to be available to anyone who wanted to see it for any reason.  Why, who knows?  We have no idea at this juncture what else may have been compromised, including names, email addresses, etc.

Chuck Weinstein

Bellport, NY

Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation #russia


VM 83569

In Russian:



Вольф-Бер Ундфлейш


Состоялось в городе Люблин 26-го декабря 1911-го года(11-го января 1912 года), в 10 часа утра.  Явился еврей Шмуль-Герш Ундфлейш, валяльщик, 33-х лет, житель города Люблина, в присутствии свидетелей: Мошки Фридмана, 72-х лет, рабочего, и Шимона Манделя, домовладельца, 59-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам младенца мужского пола, объявляя, что он родился в городе Люблин, в доме 434, 19-го декабря1911 года(1-го января 1912 года), в 10 часов вечера, от него и его законной жены Фейги, урожденной Вайсблех, 33-х лет.  Младенцу этому при обрезании дано имя Вольф-Бер.

Акт сей присудствующим прочитан и нами и ими подписан.


Шмуль-Герш Ундфлейш    Мошка Фридман 

Шимон Мандель

Чиновник гражданского состояния  Подпись


Translate into English:




Wolf-Ber Undfleisch




It took place in the city of Lublin on December 26, 1911 (January 11, 1912), at 10 am. The Jew Shmul-Gersh Undfleish, a feller, 33 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, appeared in the presence of witnesses: Moshka Fridman, 72 years old, a worker, and Shimon Mandel, a house owner, 59 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with the baby male, announcing that he was born in the city of Lublin, at house 434, on December 19, 1911 (January 1, 1912), at 10 o'clock in the evening, from him and his lawful wife Feiga, nee Weisblech, 33 years old.  When circumcised, this baby was given the name Wolf-Ber.


This act was read by those present and we signed it.




Shmul-Gersh Undfleish Moshka Friedman


Shimon Mandel


Civil Status Official Signature

Re: Data Breach at GEDmatch has Concerns Over Privacy #dna #announcements

Bob Silverstein

Jeffrey, you made a number of claims without evidence.  I only asked you to cite what has actually happened so we can assess for ourselves the probability and harm of such breaches.  I want to keep this real, not theoretical.  I never said I denied any danger exists as is clear from my posting.

Robert, I think the main differences among organizations is how they raise capital, start-up and ongoing, who takes the risk, and how they distribute profits.  Nonetheless, all organizations have to produce some good to some one to justify their continuance.  

Probate in Oklahoma? #usa #records

David Lewin

Can anyone teach me please?

What happens when a childless person dies in Oklahoma?

Is there any record of possible probate procedures?

Is there any record of the distribution of whatever they left
behind? I am asking about an event in 1978

David Lewin

Name of Marrero possibly Marrano from Puerto Rico. Possibly Jewish? #names #latinamerica

Jose Marrero <jantoniomarrero1982@...>

My name is Jose Antonio Marrero I am from Puerto Rico I been told that my family came from spain but they wasn't spanish they were Jewish.  They said that my last name change during the time but originally was "Marrano" and other more that sounds like and written like. When columbus came to the island a group of them came with him. Same with mexico and cuba but I dont know marrero family in Mexico or cuba. Not even here were i live. My family its very appart and I feel alone. Most of my family came from the town of Corozal but i live in San German. 
¡Dios los Bendiga!

Re: Data Breach at GEDmatch has Concerns Over Privacy #dna #announcements

Max Heffler

Personal choice. My DNA data has been in many, many sites for well over a decade and the DNA that is there is only a small portion that can identify common relationships. I am not worried that anyone with access to that minuscule bit of information can harm me in any way. Perhaps they can use it to track down and arrest a murderer. I would welcome that.


From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Jx. Gx. via
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 11:41 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [] Data Breach at GEDmatch has Concerns Over Privacy #dna #announcements


Bob S:

By the nature of your questions to me its pretty clear that you deny any danger exists to genealogist if thieves hack into genealogy sites like GEDMatch or worse yet (because they have more customers) and steal personal information including DNA data. If the data held by genealogy companies isn't valuable to crooks as you have implied, then how do you explain the data breach at GEDMatch?  And by the way, do you really think that private equity is going to spend additional monies to employ a top-notch cyber security team and the latest versions of security software to protect your data when their ultimate goal is to flip their holding?  My questions are all rhetorical.  I completely agree with Robert Roth's response to you when he wrote: "I believe a healthy level of paranoia is warranted in this unknown territory." 


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Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation #russia


VM 83568
In Russian:


Состоялось в городе Люблин 10-го (23-го июня) января 1911-го года, в 2 часа дня.  Явились евреи Мошка Фродман, поденщик, 72-х лет и Шимон Мандель, домовладелец, 59-и лет, жители города Люблина и объявили, что сегодня , в 11 часов утра, в городе Люблин, в доме номер 434 умерла Малка-Бруха Ундфлейш, 11-и месяцев и 15-и дней от роду, дочь Шмуля Герша и Фейги, урожденной Вайсблех, жителей города Люблина.  По настоящему удостоверяю о кончине Малки- Брухи Ундфлейш.

Акт сей присудствующим прочитан и нами и ими подписан.


Мошка Фродман

Шимон Мандель

Чиновник гражданского состояния  Подпись


Translate into English:


It took place in the city of Lublin on the 10th (23rd June) of January 1911, at 2 pm. The Jews Moshka Frodman, a day laborer, 72 years old, and Shimon Mandel, a landlord, 59 years old, residents of the city of Lublin appeared and announced that today, at 11 o'clock in the morning, in the city of Lublin, at house number 434, Malka-Brucha Undfleisch had died. 11 months and 15 days old, daughter of Shmul Gersh and Feiga, nee Weisblech, residents of Lublin. I am truly certifying the demise of Malka-Bruha Undfleish.


This act was read by those present and we signed it.


Moshka Frodman

Shimon Mandel

Civil Status Official Signature

Re: GINSBURG of St. Petersburg #general

Alan Ehrlich

To elaborate upon Roman Tunkel’s important information, the two “kinds” of Günzburg (Cyrillic: Гинзбург, Гинцбург, Yiddish: גינצבורג, גינזבורג, Ginzburg, Gintsburg) in Russia both were Jewish.


In the first case, they were the descendants of one German Jewish family, some of whose members had migrated to Russia by the 1600s... and in the second case, they were from unrelated Jewish families in Russia who early in the emancipation period, when the Jews were ordered by the government to adopt family names, seemingly chose the name Günzburg because it was respected and/or sounded pleasing to them.


Indeed, apparently according to David Maggid, "Toledot Mishpechoth Gintzburg," Pg. 239, St. Petersburg, 1899, there even was a lawsuit instituted by Baer Günzburg of Grodno against a Jewish family of that city who had adopted the same name under the decree of 1804. The court sustained the right of Jewish families to adopt any name they chose, and the number of Günzburg families accordingly was said to have increased.


Usually cited as the progenitor of this family is Simon Günzburg zur Gemse, about whom the Jewish Encyclopedia, 1906 wrote:


“German scholar; communal worker; born at Günzburg, Bavaria, 1506; died at Burgau Jan. 9, 1585. He was the first who adopted and transmitted to his descendants the name "Günzburg" as a family name. He was a rich merchant, and traveled around in Germany and Poland in the interests of his business. He was also a great Talmudist, and had some knowledge of secular sciences. It is probably owing to these facts that Simon Günzburg is variously described by different historians. Albertrandy, quoted by Sternberg ("Gesch. der Juden in Polen," p. 148), says: "Simon, also called Selig Günzburg, was known as a celebrated architect and geometer. He wrote many works, and was the head of the rabbinate and yeshibah." It seems that Albertrandy confused Simon Günzburg with the physician Selig Günzburg of Slutsk. Czacki cites him as the court physician of King Sigismund August and chief of the community of Posen (Grätz, "Gesch." ix. 448). But Simon Günzburg never settled at Posen. His residence was first at Günzburg, where, he built a synagogue and established a cemetery; and then he settled at Burgau, a neighboring town. There also he worked for the welfare of the community, for which reason his name is commemorated in a special prayer.”


According to sources I believe to be reliable, his ancestors are documented to be:


1 Meir Zurich d. 1345


2 Baruch ben Meir Zurich b. 1319 d. 1382

   m. Guetlin - Kalonoymos b. 1328 d. 1417

   [daughter of Smoe (Samuel) ben Baruch and Name Unknown]


3 Lemlin ben Baruch b. 1355 Burgau (D) d. 1410

   m. Zuerlin Unknown b. 1360 d. 1436

    [daughter of Baruch ben Meir Zurich and Guetlin - Kalonoymos]


4 Falk ben Lemlin b. 1390 Augsburg, Bavaria (D) d. 1465 Ulm, Baden-Württemberg (D)

   m. Name Unknown


5 Schmuel (Samuel) ben Falk b. 1418 Augsburg (D) d. 1478

   m. Name Unknown


6 Jechiel ben Schmuel Porto b. 1445 d. 1505

   m. Frimes bat Aharon ben Schmuel


7 Elieser Ullmo - Günzburg b. 1477 (P) d. 1544

   m. Simche Unknown


8 Simon \ Schimon \ "Seligman" Ulmo - Günzburg b. 1506 Günsburg, Bayern (D) d. 9 Jan 1585 Burgau,  
    Schwaben Bavaria, (D)

    m. Hannele / Händel bat R. Isaak Linz m. ABT 1550 d. 1 Nov 1593

    [daughter of Rabbi Isaak Linz ben Eljakim - Linz and Tserlin Unknown]


This indicates the family ‘originated’ in what now is Switzerland; and subsequent migrations ultimately brought some of its descendants from the city of Ulm on the Bavarian border to the town of Günzburg in Bavaria. It’s for this reason, Simon Günzburg and several of his immediate descendants, sometimes called themselves "Ulma-Günzburg".

Alan Ehrlich
Geneva, Switzerland

Looking for SHERMAN relatives #ukraine #names #usa


I'm looking for LOUIS SHERMAN or family members.
Born 1917 in Cleveland, Ohio. 
He married Evelyn Barth in 1939 in Ohio. 
They may have lived in California (maybe LA) at some point. 

Parents were Max (Mack) and Rachel (COPPERSMITH/Smith) SHERMAN/SMURUN, originally from Borshchahivka, Ukraine

Brother Allen/Abraham was born in 1913 and died in 1983 in Los Angeles. Married to Fannie SALKIN. I don't know if they had/have any children. 

Louis's brother, Morris (1909-1960) was my dad's father.

My dad has had no contact with any of the family since 1960. I would love to hear from anyone out there who thinks we may be related.

Thank you so much,
Rebekah Sherman Brown

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