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MSTISLAVSKY from Chernigov #ukraine

Lisa Liel
 

I'm trying to track down information on the MSTISLAVSKY family from Chernigov.  My maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother's father was Nison TSIMBEROV.  I believe his brother Abram was married to Gisia MSTISLAVSKY.  And their daughter Golda was married to Moshe ben Hirsch MSTISLAVSKY.  As of 1882, Abram and his family were registered in Starodub and were living in Shostka.  Moshe and Golda and their family lived next door to them in Shostka, but were registered in Novgorod Seversky.

Nison's granddaughter (my great-great-aunt) married Louis DUBNOW, and I know that Simon DUBNOW, the famous historian, was from MSTISLAV, and sometimes used M. MSTISLAVSKY as a pseudonym.  I have no idea if there's a connection there.

Thanks,
Lisa Liel


Re: Searching:TSIBULSKY #ukraine

elissa7@...
 

I have never seen this name other than on a piece of paper on my Mom's possession that we came across after her death.  Her family names include Feldman which was supposedly Feldon, Goldman, Sabatsky, possibly Kosbsky too.  


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish #translation

paulmoverman@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83113
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Paul Moverman
Milford, NH, USA


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish #translation

paulmoverman@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83686
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Paul Moverman
Milford, NH, USA


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish #translation

paulmoverman@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83700
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Paul Moverman
Milford, NH, USA


Re: Probate in Oklahoma? #usa #records

Sherri Bobish
 


David,

Oklahoma Descent and Distribution
https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2014/title-84/section-84-213/

Have fun trying to work through this legal jargon!

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


Re: Name of Marrero possibly Marrano from Puerto Rico. Possibly Jewish? #names #latinamerica

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

" I been told that my family came from spain but they wasn't spanish they were Jewish.  They said that my last name change during the time but originally was "Marrano" "

Most, if not all, people of Iberian descent have some small % of Sephardic ancestry, since there were a lot  Sephardim there and  many forced / coerced / whatever conversions; and it is now 5 centuries back to the Expulsion, and more than 6 since the troubles started in 1391.  But you will have to find records of your family back until that point to see if anyone was Jewish (if you can).

And the Sephardi considered themselves Spanish for many years after the Espulsion. Marrano was a slur and not used by Jews.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ



Re: Online trees #general

Max Heffler
 

I think to some extent this is a “religious” issue in that those that believe in private trees and those that believe in a single One World Tree are rooted in their choices. I know I am. Much as in politics, or even religions, there is an element of faith that makes some of unwilling to sway from our own beliefs…


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Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project: www.texsys.com/websites.html


Re: The Given Name Sissel #names #germany

Myrna Waters
 

My ggmother from Galicia was named Suessel.  She had a brother called Sussie aka Salman or Salomon or Samuel.  His name varies on the various birth records of his children.


Re: Online trees #general

Lee Jaffe
 

I appreciate the discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of different family trees services.  I helps put my puzzling experience in perspective.  I started out with a tree on MyHeritage, eventually migrated to Ancestry and, on the advice of several people. recently uploaded a .ged file to Geni.  The result has been disappointing, to say the least.  I have found some features in Geni to be laudable – better consistency checking, for instance – but the intrusion of the curators has been a nightmare.  One of the reasons I was exploring Geni in the first place is research into the parentage of my 3x ggm.  While related trees in Ancestry identified two different possible sets of parents, the record on Geni showed only one option, with notes, discussion, and links to supporting documents.  I wrote to the person who created the record asking for help clarifying the supporting documents and he suggested I start a discussion with the record.  I did, explaining the two possible options, asking whether anyone had any sources supporting either version.  Several people weighed in and, though no one made any attempt to actually answer my question, one took it upon himself to merge what he considered duplicate records.  I'm not sure which records were merged – maybe the purported 4x ggf with his brother? –  but he was told to undo that by another correspondent.  When the dust cleared, my 3x ggm was now the daughter of yet a third set of parents, again without any supporting documentation.  When I asked what happened, I was told that I was wrong, that she had always been linked to this set of parents.  (I have a screenshot of the earlier version but you can't post images to a Geni discussion.). 

You can catch part of the thread here:https://www.geni.com/people/Slawa-Ludwinowska/6000000089675728890

I understand the theoretical advantage of one unified family tree over the messy confusion one can find in sites like Ancestry and MyHeritage.  But the reality is that genealogy is messy and there are some questions we can't answer definitively . While having some people record different stories in their individual trees looks chaotic, its better  – more honest, a better reflection of the situation – than a single version dictated by some bureaucrat.  I'd rather be aware of the confusion or controversy than have someone clean things up and make them neat (but also, as in this case, probably wrong).

Lee Jaffe


Re: Translation needed: Russian script to English #translation

Jules Levin
 

In going thru old message I came across yours.  I am not a native
speaker, but when I was a grad student I took an interest in Russian
calligraphy and practiced it for my own amusement.  I can't help noting
that this example is actually a very fine 19th Century scribal script. 
Since my eyes are 80 years old I would need to enlarge the sample to
read thru it, but I read the first word perezhivayushchaya very easily. 
The strokes observe the thick/thin norms, but are a little too "inky"
without enlargement.  You are not the only post-1918 native speaker with
problems--I think you have to be used to reading it to get it easily. 
Cyrillic calligraphy is I am afraid a lost art.

Yours, Jules Levin


On 7/18/2020 2:48 PM, sastakhova@... wrote:
I'm a native russian speaker, but this is hard to read. I copied the
part where the record talks about her parents. I would say it says she
is a daughter of a tradesman Yankel Gersha/Gerta and <don't
understand> born Orzhel (Оржель).


Town Finder my district #education

ds810a@...
 

I know how to use the Town Finder, but is there a way to search by Gubernia (region/district) to see which towns are included?
Thanks!


Translation #translation #yiddish

aaran1286@...
 

YOAV ARAN

Shalom friends, 

I'd be immensely grateful if someone could translate any of these documents. 

Best wishes, 

Yoav


Re: Hungarian translation #hungary #translation

JPmiaou@...
 

Dated in Berczel, 1 March 1903. The marriage registered herein between Dávid Weisz and Johanna Blumenthal is dissolved per the Hungarian Royal Curia's III. degree decision dated 11 February 1903 under civil number 8364 and publicized under number 1225 dated 21 February 1903 of the royal court of law of Balassagyarmat. Béla Géczy registrar. As certification of the copy, in Berczel 1 March 1903. Béla Géczy registrar.
As certification of the entry. BGyarmat 2 March 1903. [signature: Balogh?], archivist.

Number 15. Dated in Berczel, 1 June 1897.
Groom: Dávid Weisz, Jewish, mixed-goods merchant, residence Balassa-Gyarmat, birthplace Ipolyság, 6 February 1873, known personally to registrar
Father: Bernát Weisz, hairdresser/barber, Balassa-Gyarmat
Mother: Mrs. Bernát Weisz born Netti Fremd, homemaker, Balassa-Gyarmat
Bride: Johanna Blumenthal, Jewish, machinist's family member, residence and birthplace Berczel, 10 January 1874, known personally to registrar
Father: Márkus Blumenthal, steam-mill machinist, Berczel

Mother: Mrs. Márkus Blumenthal born Lotti Lévi, homemaker, Berczel
Witness: Ábrahám Markusz, butcher, Berczel, age 54 years, known personally to registrar
Witness: Mór Blumenthal, registered merchant, Berczel, age 44 years, known personally to registrar

(Sorry, completist streak, and my parents were both born in Balassagyarmat.)

Julia
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Re: Blitz family: trying to find my grandfather's brothers #records

paveanyu@...
 

Hi,                           10th August 2020

As you mentioned Hungary                                                              

I remember a BLITZ ANIKO/  Aniko Blitz being in the Budapest Jewish Orphanage--at Delibab utca 35  between 1964-1968

I left Budapest in 1970--so I do not know if Aniko Blitz remained in Budapest or not?

I wonder, was Aniko an 'orphan' or an  --emotionally and physically --abandoned child?   sadly, I do not know.

If you are interested, I can try to send some e-mails to Budapest in case my former school mates remember her./Aniko BLITZ.

Wishing you Mazel and Brocho in your research

Veronika Pachtinger


Re: civil registration records for Fulek/Filakovo and Aszod #hungary #slovakia

JPmiaou@...
 

Fülek (Fiľakovo): civil registrations for places now in Slovakia are only accessible in the relevant regional archive in Slovakia. They are not online anywhere, because they have never been filmed or digitized.

Aszód: civil registrations for places in Pest county are only accessible in the Pest county archive in Budapest. They are not online anywhere, because Pest county did not participate in the records-preservation contract with the Mormons.

Julia
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Diabetes and antisemitism around 1900: cultural history #education

Alberto Guido Chester
 

Dear Genners
 
I am sharing a link to an article I have found interesting on Judaism and diabetes in the beginnings of XX th Century.
 
I understand it is appropriate to this list in that provides a background of cultural history.
 
Let me suggest to NOT post personal stories on the list, for this is just general history.
 
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/diabetes-jewish-disease-tuchman
 
I have no relation to the author or magazine.

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina
 


Re: Blitz family: trying to find my grandfather's brothers #records

Lee Hover
 

I knew a Brian Blitz, who would now be 40ish, living in the metro NY/NJ/CT area.

This may be of absolutely no help, but one never knows.

Lee MESSING Hover

KLEIN-Hungary; LAP(P)IN-Lithuania; ALTSCHULER (all spellings)--Poland; MESSING--Poland


Re: Probate in Oklahoma? #usa #records

EdrieAnne Broughton
 

Probate in Oklahoma occurs at the county level, the county that the deceased owned real property or mineral rights.  I've gone through this process for G-grandfather (died in Oklahoma 1940), Grandfather who died in 1969 in Arizona and my parents who died in California 1986 and 1998.  I might be able to help you understand the rules.  
           EdrieAnne Broughton, Vacaville, California


Re: Question re: unfamiliar family names and dead end research #general #names

jbonline1111@...
 

I was able to ascertain the names of great-grandparents who did not emigrate to the USA through the marriage certificates of my grandparents.  Naturalization papers and birth certificates will also give hints. In some cases, you may not be able to ascertain whether people are related, at least for now.  That is the case for me in my Slonimsky line. 
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

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