Brick wall of family named Gavrin, Gavrinovich, Gavrinowski #ukraine

Sheryl Prenzlau

Hi- one of my solid brick walls is the sister of my great grandfather, Moshe Eliezer Gavrin , (Lazer)born in Zetl.,Grodno.the name has been listed as Gavrinovich, Gavrinowski in various records I have an article listing a   biography about him, Which was published in his lifetime . He was born 1849, Jan.1. He is named for his father, who died before he was born. His mother’s name was Malka, which I discovered by obtaining his death certificate .in the article, he mentions how he and his sister went to live with their grandfather in Slonim. I have discovered several relatives through dna matches and comparing trees, but they are connected through siblings of his father! I have had no luck finding who his older sister might be , or her descendants. Can anyone help here
Sheryl Prenzlau

Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Alva Noonan

My grandfather came from Mogilev, Russia to NY 1905. He was initially listed as a cutter. He apparently was a glove maker. Anything listing occupation he always said glove maker. Eventually having his own shop in NYC. 

Burial Society at Mount Hebron Flushing, Queens, NY #usa

Alva Noonan

On my father's side my grandparents, Sigmund & Rose SINDER BALTER. Rose's parents, Abraham & Dora MENDELSON SINDER. Dora's sister, Rose/Rachel MENDELSON SALASNICK & husband Max. Are all buried in Eliohu Meisels Society section.
That society/lodge is years out of existence. I have never found anything with even a clue of who or where this was and why they are buried there. It had to be a choice to bury in that section since they did it over years, 1918-1968.
One thing I have located was an Eliyahu Hayim  Meisel (1821-1912) who was The Rabbi of Lodz. Listed in YIVO encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe. I don't know for sure their origins before NY in 1905. Is this a clue? Should I be searching in Lodz? If love to hear some opinions. Thanks!

Re: Online trees #general

Stephen Katz

Based on personal experience, I advise anyone who asks not to put a tree on
To put it simply, you lose control of the tree. I've had several instances of requesting others who've added clearly, almost laughably, wrong information to the tree, to correct or remove it, who have refused to do so. I once tried to delete the tree, only to find that once someone else has latched onto it, it can't be deleted. One's only option is to close one's account, but that doesn't delete the tree -- it remains. I decided not to close my account, just so I could see who was doing what to it.
My negative opinion of geni is not a matter of "religious belief," as one commenter has suggested; it's based on objective fact and experience. And as for the idea of a "one world tree" of all humanity, well, ....
Stephen Katz

Name Change Document in NYC #names


Paperwork for name changes in the naturalization process is first authorized in 1906, so don't expect to find any for naturalizations before then.
Yale Zussman

Re: Additional 19th C. Vilna City record sources – Archival Records of the Merchant class #lithuania

Joel Ratner

To those who contacted me regarding merchantslisted in the 1914 edition of Vsia Vilna,
I have attached an Excel file with my findings.


Ostarbeiters (forced laborers of Germany) in Klintsy, Bryansk Region - Russian Translation #translation


 If anyone has time, would it be possible to translate from Russian to English the Kravtsov or similar names and heading information from the attached Klintsy Ostarbeiters (forced laborers of Germany) document?  The links are also below:

Thanks so much,
Karen Kravcov Malcolm

tombstone inscription #galicia #poland #rabbinic

Tzvi Schnee

I am making an attempt to determine a few specifics on the tombstone of Azriel, one of my great grandfather's brothers from the Bolechov cemetery. Primarily, the honorific used before his father's name is v'harabeinu, as in "v'harabeinu minh Yaakov." I am almost certain that this is more than an honorific; and, that in all likelihood, the word, "rabeinu" on the tombstone indicates that my great great grandfather Yaakov Schnee was a rabbi. Any confirmation by someone who is familiar with tombstone inscriptions would be very helpful. I have attached two documents, one of the text of the inscription, the other is a photograph of the tombstone.

Additionally, the word directly preceding his son's name (Azriel), whose tombstone this is, having died in his early twenties, is hei-aleph-veis-resh-final kof. I.e., ha'avrech (?) min Azriel. I thought that this might indicate that he himself was a father; because, I know that he did have an infant son at the time he passed away. A clarification on this would also be helpful.

I would further appreciate any detailed information that could be given to me, regarding the word "rabeinu;" I am particularly interested in knowing whether the phrase "harabeinu minh Yaakov" might indicate whether or not he was a rabbi with a congregation. I know that he was chassidic, because I have testimony that he wore peyos (side curls). 

Thank you very much for any information that can be provided to shed light on these questions of mine.
Shalom. - Tzvi Fievel Schnee

Re: Moshe NATANSON-camp Achva 1937 #photographs

There were and are many Jewish camps in the US.  I don't know if this is the one you are referencing:

  1. Camp Achva at the Pozez JCC of Northern Virginia provides fun and formative summer experiences for school-age children from grades K–12. Entering its 51st summer, Camp Achva is the premier Jewish day camp in Northern Virginia. 

  2. Your request, however, reminded me that there is a source of information about the Catskill Mountains in New York State that might provide some helpful information for other researchers. The Catskill Institute, is an organization to promote research and education on the significance of the Catskill mountains for Jewish American life, located at Brown University.   This web site might be a  good source for uncovering information in connection with hotels, bungalow colonies, resorts, and camps in New York State.  The email is 


Avivah Pinski

near Pniladelphia


Avivah R. Z. Pinski ,  near Philadelphia, USA

Re: Chernigov Gubernia BOF meeting at IAJGS Conference Tuesday, August 11 #ukraine #russia


All I could open was the discussion list and it was full of people asking why they could not access the webinar. Finally I found a spot among all their confusing pages that said to use Chrome. When I tried to open the webinar with Chrome I got a warning from Malware. Do you know if a recording of this webinar will be available?

Re: Name Change Document in NYC #names

See question below.

Names can be changed when applying for naturalization.  The naturalization application would be the first place to look.  Otherwise, the name change is done in a court procedure, which may be harder to find.  Also, be aware that in Russian, there is no "H" sound  - it is pronounced like "G".(or possibly a "k" sound)  "Sz"     is pronounced as "sh",  so this seems to be a spelling change rather than a name change. 

10a.  Name Change Document in NYC #names
From: Wendy Packer
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:35:30 EDT
I'm looking for an official name change document for an ancestor who arrived in NYC from Poland in 1923. His Polish name (Herszman) is listed on the ship manifest, and all subsequent documents list his American name (Kirshman).


Avivah R. Z. Pinski ,  near Philadelphia, USA

Mexico City Jewish cemeteries to get a picture #photographs

Neil Rosenstein

Looking for help to contact Mexico City cemeteries and a volunteer to
take an epitaph picture
Neil Rosenstein

Re: Wedding between Sadie /SarahZiff and Charlie Abrams in Manchester? #unitedkingdom

Sherri Bobish


Try searching British newspapers from that time, especially local papers from where Charlie Abrams lived.  There may have been an article about the wedding.

Many old newspapers are digitized and searchable on-line.


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Avigdor family of Forest Hills and Brooklyn, NY #usa

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Dr. Neftuli Zvi Avigdor (son
of Abraham Boby of Mexico City), first cousin of David, Morton
(Mordechai) and Merrill (Mayer) Avigdor, descendants of the Rabbinical
Avigdor family of Mexico and of the Ropshitz Chassidic Dynasty

trying to find: Saletea / Saleteca, Poland - #lithuania #poland #belarus

Neil J. Young

My family is from Brest-Litovsk.  According to one of the family member's Naturalization papers which were prepared in 1903, it clearly indicates he was born in "Saletca" a town in Poland in 1873.  I have not been able to locate a town called "Saletca".  It appears to be spelled Saleteca to me, but indicates the place was spelled Seletea.  Any assistance or insights would be appreciated of where this town is located or what other town they could have been referring to?

Brest-Litovsk is close to the Belarus / Poland border that area has been part of Grodno guberniya during the period of the Russian Empire and at time before and after part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Poland, Soviet Union and Belarus.  So it wasn't surprising to see he was born in Poland, but where is Saletca?

Neil J Young
San Francisco, CA

Zaidman family in Kopaygorod #ukraine


Is the Zaidman family name included as residents of Kopaygorod in the late19th and early 20th centuries?

Re: Baku Ajerbijan #records

Joan Parker

Does anyone know how to find death records from Baku in the 1920's. There does not seem to be much out there about Ajerbijan

I will send your email to a friend who has an interest in Baku. We came across one another when the Miami Herald back in 1997 published an article about a Jewish culture surviving 2000 years in Sloboda.  What caught my eye was the surname of my MIL (Gelfand) in the article at a mission in Baku.. A mutual friend contacted him and she wrote in an email that there was a JGS in Baku. Bear in mind that is from 1997.The president was Mikhail Agavrunov.  .  You might also want to see what if anything is in the JewishGen archives.
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

Re: Additional 19th C. Vilna City record sources – Archival Records of the Merchant class #lithuania

Joel Ratner

I'm sorry to say the answer is no. 


Re: Town Finder my district #education



In Town Finder search for a town in the district or government you want.   Then in the boxes on the right you will see underlined district and "province" names.

Click on the the district or province c1930 or c1900 as you want and up comes a list of all the relevant towns in Town Finder in the district or province as selected.

Paul Hattori
London UK

MINDEL, MINDELL from Utena and Vyzuonos, Lithuania
FELLER from Pabrade, Lithuania

Images for Indexed Projects? #hungary #romania

Don Engel

I'm so grateful for the work all the JewishGen volunteers do in indexing files.

For some indexes - at the moment, I'm looking at the Máramaros Vital Records Births index - the images don't seem to be publicly available anywhere. They were taken by (I think) a camera of the original books by a JewishGen volunteer.

I'm unclear on whether there's a good way to request the original image under such circumstances. For example, I know that my third-great-grandparents were "Jack Heimowitz" Zelig Heimowitz (in the index, Zelig Chaimovits) and "Lena Stern" of Kabola Csarda, Máramaros, Romania... The quoted versions are what appear in their children's records in America (Zelig and Lena didn't come to America themselves). The index shows a father named Zelig Chaimovits (with various close variations of the last name) on the birth records of seven children. The mother's name varies between Lane (x3), Lenye, Lana, and Seine (x2). I *think* these might all be the same mother, but it would be great to see the original image so I can see if the "S" and "L" are written is such a way that they would be easily confused with each other. The kids were all born 1851-1864, and Sene is the mother's name in (only) the first and last birth.

I don't mean to ask an overly specific question (although that's what motivating me to post this), but am (also) more generally interested in the etiquette/process around seeing the images (if that's at all possible) which were used to create a FamilySearch index.

- Don

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