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Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Larry Gaum
 

Alan
I can assure you I’m not disillusioned.
Cutting machines may be as old as you suggest, but up until the 1920, in particular Eastern Canada, and Many other provinces and American states, the old fashioned way of making a suit was by hand. When Jewish men served their (tailor) Schneider apprenticeship in Eastern Europe they didn’t have the luxury of any machines. They sat cross- legged while working, cutting and stitching, all by hand. They unfortunately developed what is known medically as “Tailor Bunions.” Many suffered from this affliction. Look it up on google. When they came to Canada and the USA, they continued to work by creating garments by hand as they were taught.
New York was filled with Schneiders. Their lives were very difficult and conditions were poor. They either worked in a factory for 10–15 plus hours a day or at an apartment on the EastSide of New York, eeking out a living by making garments by hand. They were treated horribly until Samuel Gompers, initiated the first organized union movement. Then things changed. In the 1920s, ready made suits were introduced. One could buy a Suit “ right off the rack.”
As you know, as we all know, there are still real Schneiders around today. They make men’s suits from scratch. Do they all use cutting machines?
Not the ones I go to. They are from Italy and still sit crossed legged sewing by hand, beautiful creations that cost a pretty penny. The Jewish Schneiders are gone.
Larry Gaum

On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@...> wrote:

Larry, I hate to disillusion you, but electric cutting machines have been around for over 130 year (https://www.eastmancuts.com/about/history/).

Watching them in action (just as they were when I was in the business 6 years ago), you understand why many cutters were and are missing parts of their fingers and hands - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ5DOZFMz2s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWpbfn93Lyw.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada



At 2020-08-16 10:03 AM, Larry Gaum via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Barbara Singer speaks of â?o Machine Operators?â?
In 1910? When the bulk of Eastern European Jews came to USA and Canada? No such thing. Suits,(garments) were made by hand. The Schneider (Tailor), cut the cloth with a pattern, put it together, did the sowing, fabricated a suit ,
And Voila, all done. This man, or woman, were tailors, Schneiders. Period.
In the late 1920s-30s, made to measure hand made garments gave way to the machine or ready made suits putting lots of Schneiders out of a job. Including my maternal grandfather, Louis Marshall, who lived in Nova Scotia.
Larry Gaum


Re: Answer to question about Christine Usdin's census translations that was asked during the Latvia SIG meeting on Thursday #latvia

Stephen Weinstein
 

Ellen,

Everyone has access to the pages listed at http://usdine.free.fr/rigacensuscontentsnewest.html and the occupation-based pages (doctors, brothels, rabbis, etc.), even if they did not donate.  As a donor, do you also have access to the other pages listed at http://usdine.free.fr/dvinskcensuscontents.html (the over 100 location-based pages)?

I'm not sure what Jewishgen can access, but access isn't enough to get it into the database.  Doing the death, birth, marriage, and divorce records, even with access, the real challenge was that Christine didn't format things consistently, so when I would paste data into a spreadsheet, data would not land in the correct column.  I don't know of anyone planning to take on the census records, which are even trickier to do because it's families with multiple members rather than individual records.

I'm also not sure about the legality of doing it now, in that putting the paywall-protected data on Jewishgen will allow anyone to access it, even if they didn't donate to her.  I don't know French copyright law but it may be necessary to get permission from her estate.

If you want to take on the project, the first step is to contact Paul Cheifitz paulcheifitz@...>, make sure that no one else is working on it (so you don't duplicate efforts) and get the template that shows how Jewishgen needs it formatted.  Then you would go to each of her pages one at a time and copy the records onto the spreadsheet.  (When I did the death records, I tried programming a computer to concatenate her html files into one large one and process it automatically, but this turned out to be more of an hindrance than a help, so I did the birth, marriage and divorce records manually, webpage by webpage.)  But again, first step is to coordinate with Paul Cheifitz and the Latvia Research Division, and square away the legal issues, so you don't waste a lot of effort -- and believe me, no matter how much effort you expect to be involved, it will be more.


records between census years #unitedkingdom #records

Deanna Levinsky <DEANNASMAC@...>
 

I want to find out who lived at 13 Salisbury Street in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1907. There was no census even close to that year. Suggestions welcome.
--
Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY


Re: Confusing Information on Towns in Lithuania #belarus #lithuania

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

"Was this likely? Was it at all common that a family would move that far away from one hometown to another?"

There are all sorts of reasons, but some of our ancestors moved long distances. My grandfather was supposed to have been born in Berdichev, my mother told me growing up, but his brother told the Baseball Hall of Fame, apparently, that he was born in Odessa 3 or 4 years later (I bet you never heard of Lefty). Who knows whether somebody didn't understand, and since I have never found records of them in Berdichev (maybe they moved to Odessa).

If you look at marriage records, most are local, but some are long distance matches, not obviously family. The groom came from far away. Who knows, maybe the husband was a scholar and the bride's family would support them for X years.

But it happened

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Jewish Agricultural Colony in Woodbine, NJ #usa

Herbert Lazerow
 

    Those interested in U.S. Jewish Agricultural communities might seek out the book Yoval, A Symposium upon the First Fifty Years of the Jewish Faming Colonies of Alliance, Norma and Brotmanville NJ (August 1932)
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
lazer@...
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)


Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Judy Floam
 

I have heard that Galitzianers like their gefilte fish sweet and Litvaks don’t.   But I have no Litvaks in my family tree (that I know of) and I much prefer my gefilte fish not-sweet.  So who knows?

 

Judy Floam

Baltimore


Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Eric Davis
 

Your family and most of mine are considered Litvak which usually preferred sweet to savory. Litvak is based on the Polish term for the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Litwe which is pronounced as Litva. Also included is the eastern most part of Poland including Bialystok which was switched from the Grand Duchy part of the Commonwealth to the Polish Kingdom part by Stefan Bathory as Lithuania weakened.









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Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


Re: Trying to figure out which Radomyshl" my family is from #ukraine #poland

JudiZimmer
 

It might help to include surname(s). And IIRC, there are two Radomyshls in Poland. My ancestors came from Radomysl nad Sanem, but there's also a Radomysl Wielki.
 
Judi Zimmer
 


Request translation of Barnett HOROWITZ matseva #translation

Susan Goldsmith
 

Request complete translation of ViewMate 83845, matseva of Barnett HOROWITZ.
 
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA

Researching: GOLDSHMIDT,GITTES(GADIE,GADYE,GIDUT,GDUD, GOIDA),

F(P)ILVINSKY,SHOLOM(SHLOM(SHLIOMOVICH

Lithuania: Seta, Kaunas, Jonava, Ukmerge,Vandziogala, Kedainiai, Merkine,Vilijampole,

Adutiskis, Zemaiciu Naumiestes

TOBIAS,ROZHANSKY,MIRANSKY,BILINSKY

Belarus: NovyySverzhen, Stowbtsy,Yasevichi, Mir

GUREWICZ,DROZNIN Belarus: Dauhinava, Vileika 

KOENIGSBERG,WAKS(X)MAN

Poland: Sandomierz, Ostrowiec

SONNENBLIK Galicia Poland: Lancut, Kanczuga

DAVIS(D), HAFNER Romania: Botosani,Roman


 

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Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
jcwsmg@...
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland


ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

Maxwald
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
There are two records of what we think are twins in the Brzezinski Family

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83809

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Max Wald
Melbourne 
Australia


ViewMate translation request - Yiddish to English #yiddish

Wendy Newman
 

Hi there,
I am requesting a translation of a small card that I believe is written in Yiddish.  It is on ViewMate at the following address:
 
 
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page and thank you in advance!
 
Wendy Newman
researching Nudelman and Edelstein in Pulawy


Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Joan Parker
 

Recent posts about Galicia brought to this senior's mind from the distant past... what you put on your latkes showed from whence the family came, or so the story vaguely goes for me.  Apple sauce?  Sour Cream?  Something else? Having a sweet tooth my choice was applesauce, but others used sour cream as far as I can remember from way back when..  Applesauce  = ???  Sourcream = ???  Something else = ???
 
My family is from Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Russia-Poland.  My in-laws were from  Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus.
Stay safe and well,
Joan
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.



Looking for cemetery in London for Horowitz, Moskowitz #unitedkingdom

Neil Rosenstein
 

Trying to find out in which cemetery in London are buried Rabbi Judah
(Yidele) Horowitz, Admur Dzikov-Jerusalem, who died in London in 1989
and R. Shalom (Schulim) Moskowitz, who died in London in 1958.
Buried near or next to them are the couple, Hentche (nee Rubin of
Ropshitz) and husband Naftali Zvi Parnes. Is the couple buried in the
ohel (mausoleum) of the rabbis or just nearby or in their own
mausoleum?
Neil Rosenstein


Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #poland

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello everyone,
I've posted 5 vital records in Russian for which I need a translations.
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
 They are on ViewMate at the following addresses ...

1.  Death Record of Wolf Ber UNDFLESZ:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM83570&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C786a12a3a2ed40f7524708d8422ae9ee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637332099358086157&amp;sdata=L8TarnFr3hSNBFkPV78M%2FETH%2BQSDlTOnVzky3AXW7CY%3D&amp;reserved=0

2.  Death Record of Wita UNFLAJS:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM83702&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb5c7505debd14f22b4f508d8422b5759%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637332101207149685&amp;sdata=xwNd%2Bz8FJ9H3EO1XzB6nja%2BzZYWL634wKKfFJHW4Kvo%3D&amp;reserved=0

3.  Marriage Record of WAJSBLECH & FRYM:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM83703&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C02714681f9d44c86010108d8422b5ba7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637332101266829056&amp;sdata=%2FQ7u1uNt5TKdvBjIQ%2BggyXRPL%2BHdOny%2FwMzTvPI%2F1RQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

4.  Birth Record of Dawid WAJSBLECH:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM83706&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd1fd0e0e504740a065fa08d8422b6024%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637332101341341347&amp;sdata=3TE4xTs2aU5W0RTKdMNXRol81xi8qRaBzzhcBECUsaA%3D&amp;reserved=0

5.  Death Record of Fajga Hinda BEKERMAN nee BIBERGEIL:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM83787&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd6a8d24b7d8f4f14a33608d8422b8e50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637332102116373704&amp;sdata=pAr48qCR9BKjddCuArLBqxZeCRUCOWor4iFeAT5Pg8M%3D&amp;reserved=0
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Greg Tuckman
Phoenix, Arizona  USA


Looking for Descendants of Phillip and Leah WALTER #poland #usa #warsaw

Peter Dreifuss
 

For collaborative purposes, I am researching descendants of Phillip and Leah WALTER, both of whom where married in or near Warsaw, Poland around 1903 and immigrated to the US in 1804 and 1905, respectively. Phillip and Leah had seven children all born in Newark, New Jersey. More information is available on request. One of the children, Max was a nationally known commercial artist.

 

Phillip Walter was the oldest sibling of the family of Israel and Sarah Walter who lived in or near Warsaw Poland. My wife’s grandfather, David Walter was the second oldest.

One my interests is to elaborate upon the possible connection of Phillip and David Walter's mother Sarah and Leah Walter's father, Jacob. Both Sarah and Jacob shared the surname which sounded like Filo.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.


Pete Dreifuss
Silver Spring, MD


Re: Help Finding Listing/Ads/Pictures of Lodz Shoe Store, early 1900s #poland #lodz

Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,

Dear Andrew,

Lodz was a large industrial and modern city mostly involved in textile manufacturing to Russian market.

This market was lost after WWI (due to German occupation, 1916, then Bolshevik Revolution, 1917, and last but not the least, by Soviet-Polish war, 1919-121).

In 30', one third of Jewish population was living on welfare.

 

Due to its size, Lodz' "yellow pages" directories (of course whithout phone) were edited as early as 1900 to help people to find who and where they could contact for business.

Lists are sorted by kind of activity, then names.

You can find some shops & business ads within these directories.

Last directory was 1937-1939.

 

You can find them at

https://genealogyindexer.org/

 

Enter your parents' name and place of Lodz to focus your search.

You download full scan (all pages) of these books, then look at indexed page with your "names".

 

Another important data is available in Lodz, as this city hadn't been destroyed during WWII and all archives (including vital records, ..) are available.

 

During interwar period, each shop, each company had to be registered to get authorization to do business.

So you could get copy of business registration file of your GGF.

To get mine (an Irish pub in main street), I was lucky to be connected to a local genealogist specialized in Jewish genealogy.

She could find these copies ... and all my vital records from 1850 to 1939.

 

An astonishing conclusion: these companies had not been closed by Shoah and were still registered after WWII.

In early 70's, Polish administration sent official letter to their address: as nobody replied (...), they closed the registration!

 

Khavershaft

 

Bernard Flam

Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund, Workmen Circle of France)

Searching ZYSMAN, KRONENBERG, ROTTERSMAN in Lodz


Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Alan Greenberg
 

Larry, I hate to disillusion you, but electric
cutting machines have been around for over 130
year (https://www.eastmancuts.com/about/history/).

Watching them in action (just as they were when I
was in the business 6 years ago), you understand
why many cutters were and are missing parts of
their fingers and hands -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ5DOZFMz2s and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWpbfn93Lyw.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada



At 2020-08-16 10:03 AM, Larry Gaum via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Barbara Singer speaks of â?o Machine Operators?â?�
In 1910? When the bulk of Eastern European Jews
came to USA and Canada? No such thing.
Suits,(garments) were made by hand. The
Schneider (Tailor), cut the cloth with a
pattern, put it together, did the sowing, fabricated a suit ,
And Voila, all done. This man, or woman, were tailors, Schneiders. Period.
In the late 1920s-30s, made to measure hand made
garments gave way to the machine or ready made
suits putting lots of Schneiders out of a job.
Including my maternal grandfather, Louis Marshall, who lived in Nova Scotia.
Larry Gaum


Trying to link SIEDNERs from late 1700's Upper Silesia #galicia #poland

Debbie Fleischhacker Wayler
 

Hi   I am a descendent of Jacob Siedner abt 1810-1870 from the Upper Silesia area, probably around Bytom.
I have come across several names that I am trying to connect.
Lobel Siedner born 1779 and Bernhard Siedner born 1797.  I was wondering if they may be brothers.
Also Simon Siedner 1750 ? father.
I would appreciate any help/ideas on how to research this.  Thank you

Debbie Wayler  Boston, MA


Trying to figure out which Radomyshl" my family is from #ukraine #poland

ben.rng@...
 

Good Afternoon,

I'm hoping someone can help me out here. I've discovered some family immigration records from the turn of the 20th century. I know who the family members are and can figure out their names. However, I have run into a slight issue - the immigration paperwork says they're from the town of Radomyshl. However, in my research, I've discovered that there are several towns called Radomyshl, one in Ukraine and one in Poland. They're about 700 km apart.  I doubt the early 20th century American immigration officials really knew which Radomyshl my ancestors were coming from, but I am trying determine which one - my  (now deceased) family members listed Russia as the country of origin, which leads me to believe they are from the Ukrainian one. But I am not sure, because we've always heard that we were Galitzianers, which would lead me to think Poland. 

Any tips or guidance would be greatly appreciated! 

Thanks, Ben (Washington, DC)


Seeking PANE, Joseph Daughter, NYC attorney in 1977 #names #usa

JoshPane Sacramento
 

i am seeking daughter ( my sister by another Mother ) of PANE Joseph jr. of Sacramento CA.  In 1977 she was an attorney in NYC and she sought to meet her father, PANE Joseph via a card. 

We don’t know her name. 

josh pane
brother in Sacramento CA
916-835-3026

Teresa Pane of Bonny Doon, CA
Sister by a different Mother

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