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Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Alan Greenberg
 

Of course there were tailors doing this by hand.
But the original question was what the meaning of
"cutter" was as an occupation of someone who died
in New York City in 1894 in a work-related
accident, and whether it was a dangerous occupation.

The existence of tailors who did all manual work
doesn't negate the possibility that THIS relative
was using more "advanced" techniques and just possibly he died as a result.

Alan


At 2020-08-16 08:26 PM, Larry Gaum wrote:
Alan
I can assure you Iâ?Tm not disillusioned.
Cutting machines may be as old as you suggest,
but up until the 1920, in particular Eastern
Canada, and Many other provinces and American
states, the old fashioned way of making a suit
was by hand. When Jewish men served their
(tailor) Schneider apprenticeship in Eastern
Europe they didnâ?Tt have the luxury of any
machines. They sat cross- legged while working,
cutting and stitching, all by hand. They
unfortunately developed what is known medically
as â?oTailor Bunions.â?� Many suffered from
this affliction. Look it up on google. When
they came to Canada and the USA, they continued
to work by creating garments by hand as they were taught.
New York was filled with Schneiders. Their
lives were very difficult and conditions were
poor. They either worked in a factory for 10­15
pluus hours a day or at an apartment on the
EastSide of New York, eeking out a living by
making garments by hand. They were treated
horribly until Samuel Gompers, initiated the
first organized union movement. Then things
changed. In the 1920s, ready made suits were
introduced. One could buy a Suit â?o right off the rack.â?�
As you know, as we all know, there are still
real Schneiders around today. They make menâ?Ts
suits from scratch. Do they all use cutting machines?
Not the ones I go to. They are from Italy and
still sit crossed legged sewing by hand,
beautiful creations that cost a pretty penny. The Jewish Schneiders are gone.
Larry Gaum






On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Alan Greenberg
<alan.greenberg@...> wrote:

Larry, I hate to disillusion you, but
electric cutting machines have been around for
over 130 year (https://www.eastmancuts.com/about/history/).

Watching them in action (just as they were
when I was in the business 6 years ago), you
understand why many cutters were and are
missing parts of their fingers and hands -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ5DOZFMz2s and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWpbfn93Lyw.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada



At 2020-08-16 10:03 AM, Larry Gaum via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Barbara Singer speaks of â?o Machine Operators?â?�
In 1910? When the bulk of Eastern European
Jews came to USA and Canada? No such thing.
Suits,(garments) were made by hand. The
Schneider (Tailor), cut the cloth with a
pattern, put it together, did the sowing, fabricated a suit ,
And Voila, all done. This man, or woman, were tailors, Schneiders. Period.
In the late 1920s-30s, made to measure hand
made garments gave way to the machine or ready
made suits putting lots of Schneiders out of a
job. Including my maternal grandfather, Louis
Marshall, who lived in Nova Scotia.
Larry Gaum


Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

kdspiro@...
 

My grandfather's uncle had knitting mill in Lodz. I found a newspaper article about an employee who died falling down a poorly lit staircase. 
Kathy Spiro 
Canada 
SPIRO/SPIRA/SZPIRA/SZPIRO/ SZAPIRO Kielce, Lodz, Slomniki, Konskie, Checiny - Poland
RAFELOWICZ / EYZENBERG / GOLDBERG Kielce, Checiny - Poland
HECHT MOSCOVICZ, BELFER, DASCALU MANOLSON Darabani & surrounding towns - Rumania
RABINOWICZ, GOLDENSTEIN


Does anyone know this town? #records

JON LEVINSON
 

Good evening,

I am attaching my great-great grandmother's death certificate in the hole that someone can help me identify her birthplace. The informant, her daughter, unfortunately, gave her mother's information instead of her mother's mother's information.

Any help is appreciated.

Respectfully,
Jon Levinson


Re: Looking for cemetery in London for Horowitz, Moskowitz #unitedkingdom

joseph just
 

Reb Shalom Moskowitz, the Shotzer rebbe, is buried in Enfield, I've been there. To the best of my recollection there is no ohel there.


where is Pitze? #hungary

joseph just
 

An ancestor who lived in Losonc/Lucenec in Nograd county Hungary and later died in Bratislava/Pozsony/Pressburg has his birthplace as Pitze on his death record. I need help figuring out where that is, several possibilities have not panned out. I don't even know what country that is in.

Joseph Just


Re: Jewish Agricultural Colony in Woodbine, NJ #usa

Lee Jaffe
 

My great-grandparents had a farm in Rosenhayn which, with Woodbine, Alliance and Carmel, was one of the communities established by Baron de Hirsch in southern New Jersey. collectively known as Vineland.  I have a clip from a 1978 interview with my grandfather recalling the time on the farm in Rosenhayn.  He remembered that the land was poor and difficult to farm and an entire year's crop of lima beans – 12 bags – shipped to the Bird's Eye packing plant earned the family a total of $0.13.  The family can be found in the 1900 US census, my great-grandparents Henry and Bessie Jaffe, with 7 of their children (one remaining behind in Poland to complete his rabbinic studies).  The last child was born in NJ in Dec 1899 or Jan 1900.   My grandfather says his father bought the farm but I was still surprised to see that the family reported on the census they owned the farm. 

I have uncovered a few sources about the "Colonies" not reported in previous messages:

Farming Communities of New Jersey
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/NJ_Farms/

"The Jewish Farmer" from The Enterprise-Recorder, Jan. 2, 1902 [Museum of Family History]

https://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/lia-hww-colonies-nj.htm

The Jewish Colonies of South Jersey: historical sketch of their establishment and growth.  New Jersey Bureau of Statistics, 1901
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=sqM-AAAAYAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PP1

"Great Opportunities for the Many of Small Means": New Jersey's Agricultural Colonies
Deborah E. Popper/  Geographical Review, Vol. 96, No. 1 (Jan., 2006), pp. 24-49

https://www.jstor.org/stable/30034003?origin=JSTOR-pdf&seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

Social Aspects of the Jewish Colonies of South Jersey: [thesis]
Philip Reuben Goldstein.  University of Pennsylvania, 1921

https://archive.org/details/socialaspectsofj01gold

South Jersey Jewish Settlement, 1905
https://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/south-jersey-jewish-settlements-1905.6150/

Lee Jaffe


Re: Help with identifying a town off of a census

Jacob Heisler
 

Hi Lawrence,

I think it says (or is supposed to say), Czernowitz, the capital and main city of the Austrian province of Bukovina. Today it's Chernivtsi, Ukraine. I should mention even if I'm right, people commonly would say they're from the nearest large town or the district capital instead of their small village, so your family could have been from Bukovina but not Czernowitz. I'd recommend you check out this database, it includes a ton of Czernowitz records that hopefully include members of your family: https://czernowitz.geneasearch.net/ 

As a general rule, when I'm trying to identify a town/city Jews lived in, I start with JewishGen's Town Finder. It's a great resource that can tell you plenty of helpful information about the different towns. Just to give you an idea what kind of stuff it has, here's the page for Czernowitz: https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1037073

I hope I was able to be of some help for you. Good luck on your genealogical journey!

From,
Jacob Heisler
Norwalk, CT

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:59 PM <lawrence.r.waters@...> wrote:
Hello,

I’m new to this but was hoping that someone could help me identify this town/city in the Austrian Empire circa 1890s. I cannot find any records of my great great grandfather other than US census records. Like I said I’m new to this and wouldn’t mind any pointers. Even with a name and a 3 year time frame I can’t find any records on the Ellis Island passenger search? Would anyone know why or where to look next?

Thanks,
Lawrence Waters


Help with Russian translation of records on Viewmate #translation

Arlene Glass
 

I have posted vital records in Russian from Lomza Poland that need translation.  There are three marriage records and two death records.The full translation is not needed. On most of the records I only need the date and place. There are four from the Lampart family and one from the Kolaczek.
 
The links are below. Please respond using the ViewMate form.
 
Thank you so much for your help.
 
Arlene Glass
Atlanta Georgia
 
marriage of Tema Gricz and Szaja Lampart #42
 
marriage of Mortek Lampart and Asna Touba Podlaska #4
 
marriage of Chaja Sora Lampart and Juszko Zelasko #71
 
Death of Wolf Gerszk Lampart. #138  There are two family members with this name. That is why I hope that the parents' names are listed and can be read.
 
Death of Froim Kolaczek # 272
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Help with identifying a town off of a census

lawrence.r.waters@...
 

Hello,

I’m new to this but was hoping that someone could help me identify this town/city in the Austrian Empire circa 1890s. I cannot find any records of my great great grandfather other than US census records. Like I said I’m new to this and wouldn’t mind any pointers. Even with a name and a 3 year time frame I can’t find any records on the Ellis Island passenger search? Would anyone know why or where to look next?

Thanks,
Lawrence Waters


Re: in search of: MAUSKOPF family from bekescsaba hungary #hungary #canada

BexShapiro@...
 

Hi Tom, 
Someone forwarded me your message as it matches some of the names in my tree. My great grandmother was born Roza (Raizel) Klein, to the best of our knowledge in Dorobratavo, Czechoslovakia. She married Ignatz (Herman/Abraham) Jakubovits. We believe that her Roza's mother was a woman named Miriam Mauskopf. 
If this matches your search please feel free to message me back. We are eager to prove the Mauskopf connection. 

Warmly, 
Rebecca


Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Larry Gaum
 

Alan
I can assure you I’m not disillusioned.
Cutting machines may be as old as you suggest, but up until the 1920, in particular Eastern Canada, and Many other provinces and American states, the old fashioned way of making a suit was by hand. When Jewish men served their (tailor) Schneider apprenticeship in Eastern Europe they didn’t have the luxury of any machines. They sat cross- legged while working, cutting and stitching, all by hand. They unfortunately developed what is known medically as “Tailor Bunions.” Many suffered from this affliction. Look it up on google. When they came to Canada and the USA, they continued to work by creating garments by hand as they were taught.
New York was filled with Schneiders. Their lives were very difficult and conditions were poor. They either worked in a factory for 10–15 plus hours a day or at an apartment on the EastSide of New York, eeking out a living by making garments by hand. They were treated horribly until Samuel Gompers, initiated the first organized union movement. Then things changed. In the 1920s, ready made suits were introduced. One could buy a Suit “ right off the rack.”
As you know, as we all know, there are still real Schneiders around today. They make men’s suits from scratch. Do they all use cutting machines?
Not the ones I go to. They are from Italy and still sit crossed legged sewing by hand, beautiful creations that cost a pretty penny. The Jewish Schneiders are gone.
Larry Gaum

On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@...> wrote:

Larry, I hate to disillusion you, but electric cutting machines have been around for over 130 year (https://www.eastmancuts.com/about/history/).

Watching them in action (just as they were when I was in the business 6 years ago), you understand why many cutters were and are missing parts of their fingers and hands - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ5DOZFMz2s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWpbfn93Lyw.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada



At 2020-08-16 10:03 AM, Larry Gaum via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Barbara Singer speaks of â?o Machine Operators?â?
In 1910? When the bulk of Eastern European Jews came to USA and Canada? No such thing. Suits,(garments) were made by hand. The Schneider (Tailor), cut the cloth with a pattern, put it together, did the sowing, fabricated a suit ,
And Voila, all done. This man, or woman, were tailors, Schneiders. Period.
In the late 1920s-30s, made to measure hand made garments gave way to the machine or ready made suits putting lots of Schneiders out of a job. Including my maternal grandfather, Louis Marshall, who lived in Nova Scotia.
Larry Gaum


Re: Answer to question about Christine Usdin's census translations that was asked during the Latvia SIG meeting on Thursday #latvia

Stephen Weinstein
 

Ellen,

Everyone has access to the pages listed at http://usdine.free.fr/rigacensuscontentsnewest.html and the occupation-based pages (doctors, brothels, rabbis, etc.), even if they did not donate.  As a donor, do you also have access to the other pages listed at http://usdine.free.fr/dvinskcensuscontents.html (the over 100 location-based pages)?

I'm not sure what Jewishgen can access, but access isn't enough to get it into the database.  Doing the death, birth, marriage, and divorce records, even with access, the real challenge was that Christine didn't format things consistently, so when I would paste data into a spreadsheet, data would not land in the correct column.  I don't know of anyone planning to take on the census records, which are even trickier to do because it's families with multiple members rather than individual records.

I'm also not sure about the legality of doing it now, in that putting the paywall-protected data on Jewishgen will allow anyone to access it, even if they didn't donate to her.  I don't know French copyright law but it may be necessary to get permission from her estate.

If you want to take on the project, the first step is to contact Paul Cheifitz paulcheifitz@...>, make sure that no one else is working on it (so you don't duplicate efforts) and get the template that shows how Jewishgen needs it formatted.  Then you would go to each of her pages one at a time and copy the records onto the spreadsheet.  (When I did the death records, I tried programming a computer to concatenate her html files into one large one and process it automatically, but this turned out to be more of an hindrance than a help, so I did the birth, marriage and divorce records manually, webpage by webpage.)  But again, first step is to coordinate with Paul Cheifitz and the Latvia Research Division, and square away the legal issues, so you don't waste a lot of effort -- and believe me, no matter how much effort you expect to be involved, it will be more.


records between census years #unitedkingdom #records

Deanna Levinsky <DEANNASMAC@...>
 

I want to find out who lived at 13 Salisbury Street in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1907. There was no census even close to that year. Suggestions welcome.
--
Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY


Re: Confusing Information on Towns in Lithuania #belarus #lithuania

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"Was this likely? Was it at all common that a family would move that far away from one hometown to another?"

There are all sorts of reasons, but some of our ancestors moved long distances. My grandfather was supposed to have been born in Berdichev, my mother told me growing up, but his brother told the Baseball Hall of Fame, apparently, that he was born in Odessa 3 or 4 years later (I bet you never heard of Lefty). Who knows whether somebody didn't understand, and since I have never found records of them in Berdichev (maybe they moved to Odessa).

If you look at marriage records, most are local, but some are long distance matches, not obviously family. The groom came from far away. Who knows, maybe the husband was a scholar and the bride's family would support them for X years.

But it happened

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Jewish Agricultural Colony in Woodbine, NJ #usa

Herbert Lazerow
 

    Those interested in U.S. Jewish Agricultural communities might seek out the book Yoval, A Symposium upon the First Fifty Years of the Jewish Faming Colonies of Alliance, Norma and Brotmanville NJ (August 1932)
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
lazer@...
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)


Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Judy Floam
 

I have heard that Galitzianers like their gefilte fish sweet and Litvaks don’t.   But I have no Litvaks in my family tree (that I know of) and I much prefer my gefilte fish not-sweet.  So who knows?

 

Judy Floam

Baltimore


Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Eric Davis
 

Your family and most of mine are considered Litvak which usually preferred sweet to savory. Litvak is based on the Polish term for the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Litwe which is pronounced as Litva. Also included is the eastern most part of Poland including Bialystok which was switched from the Grand Duchy part of the Commonwealth to the Polish Kingdom part by Stefan Bathory as Lithuania weakened.









--
Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


Re: Trying to figure out which Radomyshl" my family is from #ukraine #poland

JudiZimmer
 

It might help to include surname(s). And IIRC, there are two Radomyshls in Poland. My ancestors came from Radomysl nad Sanem, but there's also a Radomysl Wielki.
 
Judi Zimmer
 


Request translation of Barnett HOROWITZ matseva #translation

Susan Goldsmith
 

Request complete translation of ViewMate 83845, matseva of Barnett HOROWITZ.
 
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA

Researching: GOLDSHMIDT,GITTES(GADIE,GADYE,GIDUT,GDUD, GOIDA),

F(P)ILVINSKY,SHOLOM(SHLOM(SHLIOMOVICH

Lithuania: Seta, Kaunas, Jonava, Ukmerge,Vandziogala, Kedainiai, Merkine,Vilijampole,

Adutiskis, Zemaiciu Naumiestes

TOBIAS,ROZHANSKY,MIRANSKY,BILINSKY

Belarus: NovyySverzhen, Stowbtsy,Yasevichi, Mir

GUREWICZ,DROZNIN Belarus: Dauhinava, Vileika 

KOENIGSBERG,WAKS(X)MAN

Poland: Sandomierz, Ostrowiec

SONNENBLIK Galicia Poland: Lancut, Kanczuga

DAVIS(D), HAFNER Romania: Botosani,Roman


 

--
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
jcwsmg@...
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland


ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

Maxwald
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
There are two records of what we think are twins in the Brzezinski Family

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83809

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Max Wald
Melbourne 
Australia

10281 - 10300 of 658913