Re: Seeking addition information on Seide faimily from Obonick, Prussia #poland #germany

Jane Neff Rollins

Is this the Solomon Seide who immigrated to the United States, fought in the Civil War, subsequently settled in New York and died in 1934? I've been researching him for an article I'm writing.

Jane Neff Rollins
Montrose CA USA

Locations -- Surnames
Tiraspol -- Kishinevsky, Zeilikovich, Sirota
Slonim/Volkovysk/Svisloch -- Klebansky, Vatnik 
Berdichev -- Chernorudsky
Zhitomir -- Pekler, Gumenik, Gorlovsky, Garber

Finding a Location: Padol, Russia (eta. 1875) #russia


I'm looking for the proper name of the town/city/village of what was known in the late 1800s, specifically 1875 as Padol, Russia. I have seen Padol, Russia written as such on many naturalization documents and I can't quite figure it out. I've only come up with Podil in Kyiv but part of me thinks that it incorrect. Any thoughts, hypothesis, or ideas to to where this "Padol" is located would be great! Thanks!

Yuri Dorn will be speaking at the next OCJGS Meeting this Sunday #events

Michelle Sandler

This Sunday at 10:00 am Pacific Time Yuri Dorn will be speaking about finding your Jewish ancestors in 19th century records in Belarus.  Yuri is in Cleveland Ohio visiting relatives now so the meeting is still on. Registration is required.  You can register on our website at  We kindly ask you to join our society or pay $5.00 for this meeting.  On January 24th at 10:00 am we are having Alexander Beider speak.

Michelle Sandler
Vice President of Programming OCJGS

Seeking recommendation for organizing a directory of townspeople (residents, survivors and victims #poland #names

Avigdor Ben-Dov <avigdorbd@...>

I am building a list of townspeople for my Kehilalinks page online and would appreciate any suggestions as to the most effective method of organization.
I do not just want an alphabetic surname list, since many people recorded in sources such as Yizkorbooks are often mentioned only by a first name or by occupation or by a nickname or maybe not at all if not 'remembered' by someone who perhaps knew them and recorded their names in published documents or online databases.
Some necrologies use a family arrangement with at least one spouse by name and some reference to child or children without the number being specified. This method has merit, but overlooks recording at least 'an educated guess" at the number of children and grossly underestimates the real number of children killed in the Holocaust. The singular 'child' , 'son' and 'daughter' is clear enough, but is it acceptable for me to assume that 'children' signifies at least two? 
But certainly most families among religious Jews (the majority in some towns) of pre-War Poland had larger than average sized families so 'children' should be considered at a minimum of six (a very conservative estimate in my opinion). Currently I have chosen to use half this number (3) which I think may be closer in fact to reflect the actual count of children resident in a given Jewish community at a given time. Is this a safe assumption?
Maybe someone knows what the 'average' might be and that figure can be arbitrarily used to build a directory db?
 Some of my genealogy-minded friends have advised me not to list unverifiable data at all, i.e., not to include any children for a given family unless known by name or by direct reference to the number of siblings as given in the sources. Would any genealogists or statisticians out there agree with this dictum or not?
Within the limitations of budgetary and time considerations (of course), I would sincerely appreciate any suggestions to help me establish reasonable guidelines for making my names directory as accurate and as complete as it can be. 
Avigdor Ben-Dov

Re: Simonia card? #yiddish #translation

David Brostoff

On Aug 18, 2020, at 7:00 PM, David Brostoff <DAVBRO@...> wrote:

I was very grateful to receive a translation of Yiddish handwriting on a postcard I recently posted to ViewMate, but one expression is still puzzling me: "simonia card."

Does anyone know what this could mean?
Someone asked me offlist what was on the other side of the postcard.

It's a portrait photo of the man who wrote the message on the card, taken probably ca. 1920.



Thank you for this. Yes I've used it. I am coming back to my research after about 15 years and I was wondering what newer books and/or articles have been published.

I studied and wrote about Nehemiah Mosessohn for my Master's Thesis. I am expanding my thesis into a full biography over three generations. It is wonderful and hard and I am grateful for the challenge.

Re: Grodno Gubernia Revision Lists #records #belarus #general


I suspect this acknowledges the move from one town to another, suggesting that the taxing authority of the first town was no longer in effect.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 08:49 AM, Robert Mandelbaum wrote:
I had always known that a particular branch of my family came from Skidel, in Grodno Gubernia, but further research revealed that they had earlier migrated from the nearby town of Ozery. In the 1874 Revision List for Ozery, my ancestor’s entry contains the following comment: “Assign to Skidelsky Jewish society, transferred to State Treasury on June 19, 1878.” Does anyone know just what this would have meant?

Thanks very much,
Robert Mandelbaum
New York, New York

Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: Lost Grandmother with family name of J(Y)erukamovitz #names #unitedkingdom

Dr.Josef ASH

by the suffix of the name, -ovich, I'm sure is comes from Russia
This suffix is translated as "son of": Ivanovich - s/o Ivan, Abramovich - s/o Abram, Yerukamovich - s/o Yerukam (by the way Yeroham  is the name from the Bible). I think in other Slavic languages it sounds a little different.
More: are you sure it is the surname? For Russian it is too long, it is prefered be, as a surname, just Yeruhamov.

Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general

Bonnie Gould

I have just stumbled upon a website called Jewish Roots which is a Russian website. Is anyone familiar with this website and have they used it? If so, any guidance in using it.

Bonnie Gould
Calabasas, California

RABINOVITZ-Ruzhyn, Ukraine
SIEGEL-Taurge, Lithuania
GOLD/GOLOD-Moyzr, Belarus

Re: need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia


FamilySearch uses volunteer indexers and a two level system.  The same data is indexed by two different people.  The two results are compared, word  by word.  Any difference is highlighted and a third person takes another look before making the final decision. FamilySearch volunteers come from many parts of the world.  They can choose what records to index and are likely to select records where they have the most familiarity.  (I have  done some indexing for FamilySearch)
I believe Ancestry employs paid indexers, many from outside the U.S.A.  I don't believe their indexing is subject to the same level of scrutiny as FamilySearch

David Rosen
Bosto, MA

On 8/19/2020 10:46 AM, N. Summers via wrote:

Thank you again, I also found the record for Sam Liss, who I had not been able to find on Ancestry.

Do you know why some passenger info might be found on familysearch but not Ancestry? I now know that i've been relying too much on Ancestry alone.

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA


FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine) LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)  LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)

Re: Does anyone know this town? #records


Try to read the question again. He asked about the place of BIRTH. 

Re: Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania


Yes please!  Would love the recipe for Kugel.  I always love to learn a new way to make a dish.  

MARANTZ - Odessa, Ukraine, Russia 1872 #ukraine #russia #austria-czech #unitedkingdom

Alan Klein

I'm looking for info about my grandfather's Ukraine family. Naftola Marantz was Born in Odessa in 1872. Father was Schea Joshua Marantz.  He was from a large family but can't find any records. Had cousin, Morris Katz,  who moved to South America around 1905.  Moved to Vienna at young age. Eventually married Rebecca (Bena) Steele who was born in Kiev. They emigrated first to London around 1895 and then to New Jersey, U.S. around 1906. Changed name to Marans around 1920.   
Alan Klein alankleinrealtor@...>

Re: need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia

Dahn Cukier

One reason may be the indexer misread the entry. Try to find others on the same pa
via Ancestry and you may also find your relative. Each service seems to use
their own indexers.

My grandparents were miss indexed in the 1930 US census, but my 3 year
old father was listed with the correct name but at a strangers home.

He was recorded as grandson of the HOF.

Using Googleearth I found the address, and saw that Heggaman Ave was
a cross street, I know the family lived there and searched house by
house until I found the entry. The small "u" was indexed as an "a".


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 05:58:30 PM GMT+3, N. Summers via <> wrote:

Thank you again, I also found the record for Sam Liss, who I had not been able to find on Ancestry.

Do you know why some passenger info might be found on familysearch but not Ancestry? I now know that i've been relying too much on Ancestry alone.

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA


FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine) LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)  LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)

Does anyone have Volume II of the 3rd edition of The Unbroken Chain? #rabbinic

Ted Gostin

I'm trying to find a copy of Volume II of the 3rd edition (currently in publication) of Neil Rosenstein's The Unbroken Chain.  Unfortunately, all libraries in my area are still closed, and so I can't review it at any library.  I don't want to spend $100 on one volume of a multi-volume work just to review a couple of pages.  The indexes of the current volumes show that Volume II has the family I am interested in.

If anyone has a copy of this book and would be willing to check something for me, please contact me off-list.  I need to compare 2-3 ages to see how the description of a particular family compares to the description of that same family from the 1st edition published back in 1976.


Ted Gostin
Sherman Oaks, CA

Looking for help with birth certificate of Abram Isser Miller born in Naruszewo if there is one #poland #records

Judy Morrel

Can you one please assist in obtaining a birth certificate for my uncle, Abram Isser Miller, born on March 18. 1907?
He was born in Naruszewo, Poland or Russia. I'm trying to help my cousin, his grandaughter, obtain one.
Please advise?
Judy Morrel


Re: Cohen and Charlevil from Charleville France #france


Dear Bernard
Thanks for your detailed anwser
being French I am familiar with those data.
further to your email I found some more data on the jews in charleville meziere but nothing more

but until now I did not find anyone coming from the Ardennes but many of course from Loraine and Metz in particular were charleville sous bois is.
I hope that some of our french genealogists wil lbe able to confirm your views.
thanks and regards

Re: "Holy Silence" Documents Vatican's Role in the Holocaust #announcements #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen

If you go through the Jewish Journal link to Holy Silence it works. I was the original poster and posted before I tried the direct link, but was able to watch the film going through the JJ link without a problem. You do have to do the free register click all the necessary buttons- its free and it takes you to the Jewish Film Institute order form then click to watch.  Remember it is only available to August 22 and there is a Zoom Panel Discussion 8/20 at 5:30pm PST co-hosted by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM).  I have no affiliation with the video but it well worth the machinations to get to see it.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson,. IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

Isaac LAZAROFF-Turn of the cent. London/Ct.USA/Jerusalem-1900 approx #unitedkingdom #usa #israel

Yonatan Ben-Ari

Family rumour has it that my great great grandmother, Gittle
ABRAMOWITZ married (second marriage for both) a British widower by the
name of Isaac LAZAROFF (spelling ? no records). This LAZAROFF was
supposedly "wealthy" (in Jerusalem turn of the century life style) and
had some ther heren children from his late wife. She may have been
financially "comfortable" as she was supposedly a silversmith in Ct.
and seems to have travelled back and forth between Ct. and Jerusalem
to visit her son Mayer ABRAMOWITZ ( my great grandfather) whom she had
sent there after she came to New Haven.

Eventually the above Isaac and my ancestress lived in the "fancy" new
religious neighborhood , "Mea Shearim" in Jerusalem.

As this is strictly family lore it is combined with other family
stories such as that Gittle left Novarodok, as a widow with 4 orphans
around 1880-1890 to Ct., USA, via Liverpool and supposedly married a
gentleman she met in Liverpool either in England or Ct.

I have a very strong reason that Gittle may have been a HOROWITZ from
birth in Novarodok as there many connections with the Novarodok
HOROWITZs who emigrated to Ct. around the turn of the cent. and
another branch who emigrated to Petach Tikva (Israel) around the same

As all the above is based on family lore without records I would
appreciate hearing from anyone knowing about the above.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

Re: Town name, Ukraine #ukraine #records

Yefim Kogan

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