Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general


It was called the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory in 1911. Over 140 employees mostly Jewish and Italian women  perished in the three story blaze. The official report on the fire says it started on the 8th floor which was the middle floor. The blaze is believed to have started by a cutter (cutters were male) flicking a spent match into the cutting scraps beneath the table. People were unable to escape by the stairs since the doorways were locked to prevent employees from leaving the factory without being inspected for  contraband. There were two elevators which only operated for a limited time because of the heat. the fire escape was inadequate and collapsed. Sixty people plunged to their death in the collapse.   While the owners of the factory were ordered to pay minimal compensation $75 per victim to the families, as a result of a civil case, they were not held criminal liable even though the fire buckets contained neither water nor sand and the hoses on the fire system were corroded and nonfunctional. a later civil trial awarded damages to the victims families but not more than $75 per victim was ever paid. The survivors were almost all people who ran to the roof which included the owners and their families.  As a result of the fire, NYC strengthened the fire codes for factory buildings and the ILGWU was able to get an ordinance to prevent owners from locking the exits. The industry remained resistant to organizing. The insurance payout to the owners was $60,000 above their loss.  Details including pictures are available in multiple places on the net.
Janet Marcus

Re: Citizenship #general #usa

Dahn Cukier


1) The laws change constantly.

2) The 1940 census asks if the person is a naturalized US citizen

3) She would probably be on her fathers papers, that you have
not found them may be due to them not yet being indexed. Check your
grandmother's papers for any reference to her husband's status and
check the various court houses in the area. In NYC that would be
Southern NY, Eastern NY and the courts of the different counties.
Without a date, I would not begin to search.
I would wait for a company to index and check back from time to time.
Each company indexes different sources, try as many as you can, look out for
free access and take advantage of those days.

My grandmother's papers showed her husband's date and a number
(that I do not remember which), and I found the papers in Manhattan, but
it took weeks via the internet.

I think it was Ancestry that has scans of the records, but has not yet
indexed, you can search the scans.


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 08:43:51 PM GMT+3, bobmalakoff via <> wrote:

My late mother came to the US in 1913 from what is now Biarosa, Belarus at the tender age of 6 months.  The only naturalization information that I can find is for my Grandmother dated 1945, but nothing for my Grandfather.  She married my father, a natural born citizen, in the 1930's.  Can I conclude that she was not a citizen?  Were the laws different then?

Marriage Index Entry #belarus

Janis and Joe Datz

After a search I found this index for marriage of Zev Vulf Datz groom to Goldie Berman bride.  There is no marriage date or indication of parents' names.  Does anyone believe that this entry was microfilmed?  I am not certain what the code # means.  Any assistance to try to find out more information would be most helpful.  Many thanks.

Re: Since changing to the "Daily Summary" setting for receiving posts, I can no longer see how to reply or... #general


After you go to the individual post, you must also log in.  The link is at the top right hand corner.
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: Lichtenstein family from Slovakia, Austria now called LANE living in Chicago area #austria-czech #general #slovakia #usa

Judith Berlowitz

Hi Gary,
This family is on Geni.  See Peter's profile here, with the managers of his information.  They should be able to help you.

I have L's in my tree:  my 3g aunt, Sarah Alexander, married Avraham L. of Bydgoszcz, Poland.  They settled in Wisconsin.
Best of luck,

Judith Berlowitz

Re: How to Log into on Demand Sessions #general #jgs-iajgs

Nancy Reicher

Sign into Iajgs 2020. Then go to Attendee Service Center under that tab ic on Demand Sessions Click on it. The one above it is the Live sessions  entry that yu clicked to get to DOJR.

Re: Simonia card? #yiddish #translation

Sherri Bobish

I wonder if it was a card that had to be purchased by the person in The U.S. and shown by the person in Europe to get the money transfer?
"In 1923, HIAS established the HIAS Immigrant Bank at 425 Lafayette Street in the East Village neighborhood of Manhattan. The bank was licensed by the State of New York.[22] Its sole purpose was to facilitate remittance or money transfers to and from immigrants’ families abroad, which was then a service not offered by most U.S. banks"

As far as I know, "credit cards" in the 1920's and later were limited to metal tags issued by specific companies, and the metal "card" could only be used at that company.  In the 1950's / 1960's my mom had an Abraham & Strauss department store "credit card."  It was a small metal tag that she kept on her key ring. It could only be used at that one store.


Sherri Bobish


Citizenship #general #usa


My late mother came to the US in 1913 from what is now Biarosa, Belarus at the tender age of 6 months.  The only naturalization information that I can find is for my Grandmother dated 1945, but nothing for my Grandfather.  She married my father, a natural born citizen, in the 1930's.  Can I conclude that she was not a citizen?  Were the laws different then?

Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general

Marina Plotkin

Link to the Russian website or
A lot of information/links, but all in Russian you will need Google translate

Re: Lost Grandmother with family name of J(Y)erukamovitz #names #unitedkingdom


The -ovich ending (-ович  in Cyrilic) could also be Serbian, Belerusan or Ukranian.  It also could be Polish or Croatian spelled -owitz or 
-ović respectively.

The -ovich ending is more commonly used as a patronimic name like Boris Vladimirovich Kuznetsov (Boris son of Vlademir from the family Kuznetsov)

trying to contact family of Rabbi Moshkovitz from the International center of Shotz #israel

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Rabbi Moshe Aryeh (Leibel)
Moshkovitz who is Rebbe of the International Center of Shotz in

Neil Rosenstein

Yitzhak ben Moshe Rumsch (Isaac Rumsch) #lithuania

Susan Sorkenn

I'm researching the connection between Yitzhak ben Moshe Rumsch, or Isaac ben Moshe Rumsch (1822-94) and my Weinstein family from Vilna.  Rumsch was born in Zezemer, Vilna gubernia and went to Vilna to study in yeshivas at the age of 9. He later studied secular subjects and wrote the definitive translation of "Robinson Crusoe" from German into Hebrew.  He was a teacher and author ( He was an uncle of my grandmother, Fannie Weinstein, granddaughter of Reb Yossel Weinstein, a rosh yeshiva, and Zelda Weinstein, commission merchant for officials and nobles.  Was Rumsch the original family name?  I was told it was Romm.  Reb Yossel was "adopted" by a childless Weinstein relative to avoid conscription. Zelda was born in C. 1810-12 and lived until before WWI, when a grandson from the U.S. , Morris Blate, visited her in Vilna. She was still clear-headed and dressed meticulously. Is there anyone who can lead me to more information?  I cannot find information about the Weinsteins in Vilna, although they were a wealthy and prominent family.

Susan Sorkenn

Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general


Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general


Re: Translation of Hebrew Text (written in Germany in 1735) Please #translation


I think it's going take me a long time to learn the complexities of Hebrew.

Is it possible that נוספיף is simply a spelling mistake or an archaic spelling and the text should have read נוסף על ? What I find particularly confusing is that a google search throws up a few examples of the word with the incorrect spelling. But then one finds many examples of incorrectly spelt English words on the internet. 

Anyway, below is another snippet from the statues. This statue is in Yiddish and includes a couple of examples of a final ף and ן with elaborate flourishes. 


Re: How to Log into on Demand Sessions #general #jgs-iajgs


Re: Brick wall in western Massachusetts: looking for FRIEDSON, FRIDZON, AISENBERG and SAMURIN #usa #belarus #latinamerica


This brick wall may connect to the brick wall i am trying to break down. If you would like to contact me I would be willing to share what I can.  The next two weeks are really busy but if you want to connect and follow up further later, we can.  
Best, Sue D

Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Sarah L Meyer

She voluntarily traded it, it was not stolen.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Chevras HaMaggidim - Pressburg 5666 (1906) #rabbinic #austria-czech #photographs

joseph just

The link to your photo doesn't seem to  work.

Katzenellenbogen / Ariogala #rabbinic #lithuania

Jeremy Lichtman

One of my ancestors appears to have been a signatory of the 1764 and 1785 Poll Tax records for Ariogala.

He signed the 1785 record as:

Chackiel Yankielowicz - "thus sayeth R'Yekhezkel (Ezekiel), son of the high rabbi, R'Yakov (Jacob) (father deceased)."

The community of Ariogala was run from Kedainiai at that point in history, and the rabbinic offices were largely run by the Katzenellenbogen family (at least two of whom were also rabbis of Ariogala for periods of time).

I'm wondering if it is possible that the "high rabbi" Jacob could be referring to Rabbi Jacob Katzenellenbogen of Kedainiai (and later Altona). The only child I've seen listed anywhere is Rabbi Joel Katzenellenbogen, who took over in Kedainiai after his father moved to Altona.

Could Chackiel (Ezekiel) be another son, named after R' Jacob's father? Chackiel's oldest son, in turn, was named Jankiel (Jacob).

Does anyone know of any original sources I could check?

Jeremy Lichtman
Toronto, Canada (formerly of Cape Town)

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