Re: South African Naturalisation Certificate #advice #Lithuania

Shana Mink

Hello Louis.
Thank you so much for your mail.
Yes - he did travel outside of South Africa. He had a passport. So he must have them been nationalised? Is that right?

I searched the archives under Barney Mink, Barnett Mink ans came up with nothing.
Also I called the Pietermaritzburg archives and they said they have no naturalisation certificate for him.

So at a dead end really.

Unless home affairs can assist. But I do not have a date of naturalisation and so unless they can search surname or name - I think stuck.

I did try to get an ID for him or search for him once at home affairs and they told me they do not recognize the ID number.

Sending thanks and regards.

Shana Mink.

On 21 Oct 2019, at 18:12, Louis Zetler <louis.zetler@...> wrote:

Hi Shana,

Firstly, he may not have made an application for naturalization. If he went overseas from S. A., he must have made an application, because you had to naturalize in order to get a S. A. passport.

Secondly, the National Archives of S. A. is problematic in that, unless you enter the name as it was entered by the person doing it, you won't find it. E. g. I knew that my grandfather had made an application, but it was not listed under ZETLER. Eventually I looked for him under his first first name, and that was how I found it, listed as ZELTER!

Yokneam, ISRAEL

Next Meeting of the Minnesota Jewish Genealogical Society, Sunday October 27, 1-3PM


Topic: Those Annoying Wonderful DNA Matches

Where: Knollwood Place Apartments Auditorium
3630 Phillips Parkway, St. Louis Park, MN

Speaker: Dan Kastrul - CEO, musician, photographer and above all else, DNA geek

Program: Are you considering a DNA test, but aren't sure what it can
tell you? Perhaps you’ve done a DNA test and now you’re receiving
notifications of matches. What are you to do with this information?
Dan Kastrul will help you make sense of those puzzling DNA matches.

This talk will include some hands-on exploration. We encourage you to
bring your laptop if available.

The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied
to membership fee when a visitor joins MNJGS) after their first

Register at Click on Events.

Walter S. Elias
President MNJGS

Plain text

Geraldine Courtney

Are we still having to submit questions in plain text under this new system? I thought everything had been updated,  but have just had three emails returned by JewishGen groups.

Thank you,

Geraldine Courtney, UK

ViewMate Translation Request Yizkor Book Article #Translations

Dave Lichtenstein

Hello Everybody

I've posted three pages of a Yizkor Book article "The Beitar and the
Revisionist movements in Pinczow" which mentions my maternal grandfather
Zelig Hering (whom I never met as he perished in Auschwitz) featured in "A
Book of Memory of the Jewish Community of Pinczow, Poland". I understand
that his name appears in the text which refers to the two group photographs
in the article. The article appears in pages 210-212 of the Book and is
available on ViewMate at the following addresses... ; and

I am of course looking for a complete translatlion of the text. I want to
know more about the Beitar and revisionist movements in Pinczow during the
two World Wars and also my grandfather's role in it. Also where he is
located in the group photographs.

Thank you very much.

Dave Lichtenstein

Researching HEING in Pinczow
Located in Sydney, Australia

Lithuanian Revision Lists online - Fond 515/15 - Vilna #Lithuania

Joel Ratner

As of yesterday (when I discovered them), images from many Revision Lists from LVIA / 515/15 / 1-500 (approximately) are online at These primarily represent the 1795, 1811, and 1816 revisions for Vilna gubernia. The translated records in the LitvakSIG ALD do give page numbers. You will have to try looking for an image to see if the ALD page numbers correspond to actual page numbers listed in the scanned images.

Note: these online record sets are not limited to Jewish records. Please refer to the RTR Foundation (Miriam Weiner) archive database for your town of interest under census records. Alternatively, refer to the Russian language LVIA guide to fond LVIA / 515/15 available at ... F3001.jspx

Joel Ratner
Former coordinator, Vilna District Research Group
Former coordinator, LitvakSIG Vital Records Translation Project

Re: Idea for a new presentation .... reactions?

Laurie Sosna

Definitely. Making it available online would let us go over the details and repeat sections. Making handouts or links available would also be appreciated.


Re: Translation help with Hebrew inscription on grave #Austria-Czech #Help

Michael Gordy

Thanks to all who responded privately.  Case closed!  On the next occasion, I will take Fredel's advice to post to ViewMate instead.

Michael Gordy

Ancestry Expands its DNA Reference Panel Updating its AncestryDNA Ethnicity Estimates #DNA

Jan Meisels Allen



Ancestry has announced that they are updating their DNA  ethnicity estimates. This means over the next few months you may receive an updated ethnicity estimate.


In the new update they divided Native-American-Andean and Native American- North, Central, South into 11 smaller regions. So if you were in one of these larger regions your new estimate may have more precise regions. There are other areas that may be similarly affected.

You may also find some ethnicity areas are reduced because with the larger number of ethnic areas, some of yours may have moved to a neighboring area.  For example, some people with ancestors from southern Italy will lose their small amount of Turkey/Armenia and possibly gain a bit of Near East instead. 


An example of the greater breakout:

Eastern Europe & Russia

  • Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland & Lithuania
    • Czech Republic
    • Lesser Poland
    • Lithuania
    • Malopolska & Swietokrzyskie
    • Małopolska & the Tatras
    • Mazovia & Lodz
    • Pomerania

To see a list of AncestryDNA regions see:


To read the blog post see:


I have no affiliation with Ancestry and I am sharing this solely for the information of the reader.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee



Seeking Marjorie Wiener Wein New York author of 'My Family History' #ISO


Dear Group


I’m trying to locate Marjorie Wiener WEIN in New York, author of ‘My Family History’ published in 1990 but is now out of print.


If anyone happens to know Marjorie or has her current address in New York I would appreciate them contacting me.


Best wishes


Rose Raymen

Perth, Western Australia




Re: Plain text

Odeda Zlotnick

in this group - but definitely in other groups that haven't been switched yet

Oct 21  
Are we still having to submit questions in plain text under this new system? I thought everything had been updated,  but have just had three emails returned by JewishGen groups.

Thank you,

Geraldine Courtney, UK

Re: Lithuanian Revision Lists online - Fond 515/15 - Vilna #Lithuania


The original post stated:

As of yesterday (when I discovered them), images from many Revision Lists from LVIA / 515/15 / 1-500 (approximately) are online at These primarily represent the 1795, 1811, and 1816 revisions for Vilna gubernia. 


From the Catalog Search page, how does one navigate to these revision lists?  Do we know which towns in the Vilna gubernia are included in these lists?



David  J  Ellis

Natick, MA 01760



Re: Polish citizenship #Poland


Hello Susan,
I am from Ottawa, Canada.  I recently received Polish citizenship and did not use or need an agency from Poland.
If there is a Polish embassy nearby, then your cousin can go there and get all the information he/she needs.  Some
documents will need to be translated into Polish but it's not necessary for someone in Poland to do that.  Also, getting
citizenship takes the same amount of time whether you hire an agency or do it yourself.  
Good luck!
Denise Lascelle

Re: Translation help with Hebrew inscription on grave #Austria-Czech #Help


Hi Michael,

At first glance, I am able to translate part of the gravestone:

A straight and nice man, the glory of his home and his children,

Aharon the son of Avraham Parish of blessed memory

dear wife, crown of her husband, glory of her children, Hildel the wife of Aharon Parish

on Wednesday, the 27th of (month of) Tevet and buried with a great eulogy on Friday the 29th of it (of month of Tevet) 5655

(the 27th of Tevet 5655 corresponds to the English date January 23, 1895)


Hope you are able to get a translation for the rest of it

- David

U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum's Megan Lewis to speak in Fort Wayne #JGSNews


The Northeast Indiana Jewish Genealogy Society is pleased to present the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Megan Lewis at 2:00 p.m. on Sunday, November 17th at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center.  The event is free and open to the public.  As one of Fort Wayne’s “Violins of Hope” events, Megan’s presentation will discuss the research involved in tracing and documenting victims of the Holocaust.  Megan will give two presentations that afternoon.  The first, “The Basics of Holocaust-Related Genealogical Research,” will discuss how to get started with Holocaust-related genealogical research including the information needed to start and online resources that are good places to begin.  The second presentation, “Putting the Pieces Together,” will begin at about 3:30 p.m.  Megan will provide case studies of how multiple collections in different formats come together to document one individual’s history.  The case studies will come from different parts of Europe.


For more information about the event, visit the NEIJGS Facebook page at  For those from outside Fort Wayne, the Genealogy Center has open hours throughout the weekend.  There are also a number of other Violins of Hope events that weekend, including the Klezmatics on Saturday evening, November 16th.  For more information about the various Violins of Hope events in Fort Wayne, see



Betsy Thal Gephart

VP, Northeast Indiana Jewish Genealogy Society

Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Survey to identify needs of archive users #Galicia

Gesher Galicia SIG

Kerstin Muff, head of communications at ICARUS, the International
Centre for Archival Research - a network of archives, museums,
libraries and other organizations in Europe - has written to us about a
survey they are conducting, on the needs of older archival users,
including researchers on family history. She is asking us to forward
her message to those we know who may be interested to take part in
their survey. Gesher Galicia has been an organizational member of
ICARUS for the past five years. Kerstin Muff's e-mail to us is
reproduced below. Anyone in what ICARUS calls the "silver-researcher
community" (by which they mean those over 60 years of age) who is
interested to take part in the survey should go directly to the link
provided at the end of their message, which is:

[Please do not reply to this e-mail address.]

Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia

From: Kerstin Muff <kerstin.muff@...>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 14:50
Subject: Survey to identify fields of interest of archive users
To: info@... <info@...>

Dear colleagues,

For many people, the prospect of retirement >from work gives an
opportunity to seek fresh directions and new challenges. Archives
seem to be an increasingly popular place to pursue such new ro(o)utes
(key word: genealogy). Our EU-funded project "digital treasures" - - is keen to explore and co-shape these
routes together with the silver researchers.

There are already a lot of retirees that use the archives actively, for
research on local or family history, for example. Also, there are certain
groups of volunteers (i.e. retired historians) that support archives in
crowd-sourcing activities such as the identification of certain items on
pictures, etc.

As the archives increasingly adapt to the digital age, it seems though
that many of the elderly generation are faced with the challenges of
new technologies. The archives clearly need to adapt to their active
and potential users and explore together how to improve their
cooperation with user communities and keep opening their doors for
the silver researchers.

A survey to identify fields of interest of archive users:
- To learn more about the nature of silver researchers in archives, our
project has set up an online survey to identify pan-European fields of
interests and acquire more knowledge about the specific needs of this
specific user community.

If you are part of the silver researcher community (60+ years old),
please be kindly invited to take part in our survey. Your participation will
be an important contribution to further amplify the services of archives
as well as enhance the cooperation between the public and archives in
the digital age.

Follow this link to take part in our survey:

Please feel free to distribute this survey via any additional suitable
mailing list you may have available.

Thank you,


Mag. Kerstin Muff
Project Management, Head of Communications, Editor-in-chief of "insights"
ICARUS - International Centre for Archival Research
Address: Erdberger Laende 6/7, A-1030 Vienna, Austria
e-mail: kerstin.muff@...

Send all inquiries to info@...

Stern sisters in Israel #ISO #Germany #Israel

Karen Catania

Three Stern sisters from Wieseck, Germany immigrated to Palestine in
the late 1920's. All daughters of Julius Stern, Mother Betty Hobach -
All born 1907 or before.
I would like to find their birth and death and any other pertinent
information on the following
Hedwig "Hede" Stern married to Walter Turnowsky, son Dan Toren
I believe she died in Ramat Gan
Betty Stern married Hugo Ranon, they 2 daughters Naomi and Edna.
We believe she died 7 January 1979 in Israel.
Selma Stern we believe never married, but we are not sure.
Any clues will help solve a family mystery.
Thank you
Karen Sobel

Best Regards,
Karen Catania

Re: South African Naturalisation Certificate #advice #Lithuania

Louis Zetler

Hi Shana,

I did a search on Barney in the Pietermaritzburg Archives Repository. Not one single naturalization application! In my opinion, they have not indexed the naturalization applications. That is why they can't find it!

Louis Zetler

Re: South African Naturalisation Certificate #advice #Lithuania

Shana Mink

Dear Louis
So if you think they have not indexed the naturalisations, where do you think the repositories of naturalisations are? Where could I search the unindexed documents? 
Alternately - naturalisations were always advertised in the government gazette. 
How can I search an archive of government gazettes? Would you know? 
If you don’t who should I ask? 
Back to that jewishgen group? 

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 18:35, Louis Zetler <louis.zetler@...> wrote:
Hi Shana,

I did a search on Barney in the Pietermaritzburg Archives Repository. Not one single naturalization application! In my opinion, they have not indexed the naturalization applications. That is why they can't find it!

Louis Zetler
Shana Mink
P.O. Box 4 Modderfontein 1645 Johannesburg Gauteng Soth Africa
31 Tregoning Street Linksfield 2192 Johannesburg Gauteng South Africa
Tel: +2711 6409480
Fax: +27114854114
email: katzfamily@... or shana.mink@...

Searching for Rauch, Todt and Ropschitz #Austria-Czech #Galicia #Holocaust #Help #Poland



My late father's name was ROPSCHITZ although there are variants spelt ROPSCHUTZ and ROBSHUTZ.  Both his elderly parents and 3 married sisters and one brother died in Auschwitz. Until today I did not know the married surnames of two of the sisters so now I am hoping there may be some family left somewhere. The sisters names I now have are as follows: Amalia Merkel (married to Ludwig), Klara TODT and Roza RAUCH. They were born in Lwow in 1891, 1892 and 1897. 
Thanks for any help. Yolanda, Somerset, England.

Re: ViewMate Translation Request Yizkor Book Article #Translations

Jack Berger


If the Yizkor Book hasn't been bowdlerized by unskilled hands yet, I would consider a full translation as a project.

If this interests you, contact me via e-mail directly at jsberger@...