Re: Leopold Israel Haar deregisteredfrom Vienna, Austria on 16/05/1938 #austria-czech

Sherri Bobish


I guess you've seen this index card:


2nd Polish Corps Fight in Italy
Haar, Zygmunt and Leopold (Undefined) Polish Public Relations Unit (publisher/sponsor)


Sherri Bobish

Re: Schewach family in Bialystok #poland

Mark Halpern

This table is from the JewishGen Gazetteer under Databases on the JewishGen website. Lopenice is only 8.9 miles from Volkovysk.

Locations within 10 miles of 53°02' N 24°29' E
Run on Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:48:30 -0600
For an online Map click on Google Maps

(Native names in BOLD)
Feature Type Coordinates
(Click for JewishGen Resource Map)
Map Country Distance/Direction
from reference point
10 mile radius
Malaya Lopenitsa, Lopenitsa Mala populated place 53°02' N 24°29' E G Belarus 0.0 miles N of 53°02' N 24°29' E
Vawkavysk, Wołkowysk, Volkovysk populated place 53°09' N 24°28' E G Belarus 8.9 miles N of 53°02' N 24°29' E

I cannot answer your other questions about the Klatnicki family. If there is no record, there is no data. We have indexed all the 1891 Bialystok births and all the years around 1891 and there is no Boruch born then. That means his birth was not recorded or he was born in a nearby town and not in Bialystok. Maybe you need to look closer in Grodno or Volkovysk. Use the JewishGen Belarus database for those areas.

Best regards,

On 2020-08-17 10:09 am, Loryn Hudson via wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thank you for letting me know and for your help. Abram ben Aron/Boruch KLATNICKI  was Ethel's brother.  We don't know how Pesza SZEWACH daughter of Iosel is related. Where is  Lopenice in relation to Wolkowysk?  Was there a birth location for Pesza?  Was there any additional documents for Aron/Boruch KLATNICKI. 

I have the immigration and naturalization records for Boruch Schewach.  He was born in August of 1891 in Bialystock and immigrated in December 1910. Boruch's last residence was Bialystok. His father Josel was listed as a relative.  Josef's location was Grodno.



Re: LEBEDENKO/LEBEDENCO surname origins #ukraine #romania #russia #general

Pablo Libedinsky

Could it be related to LIBEDINSKY/LEBEDINSKY?  
There is the town of Lebedyn/Lebedin in the Ukraine.  Its coat of arms has a swan in it, which ties in with the meaning of lebed = swan in Russian

Pablo Libedinsky

Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Herbert Lazerow

   The initial question in this case was whether California or Spanish law would apply to determine the ownership of a painting that was bought in the U.S. 60 years ago by a Spaniard, kept in Spain during that time, and was transferred to a Spanish foundation.  Judge Walter in a thorough opinion in 2015 ruled that Spanish law applied.  On appeal to the 9th circuit, the court affirmed that opinion, but remanded to Judge Walter to determine the factual question of whether the last requirement of Spanish law had been met, being whether the acquirer was a good faith purchaser. Under Spanish law, one needs to not only not know that the work had been stolen.  One must also have engaged in the due diligence that a reasonable purchaser would have exercised at the time under the circumstances of this purchase. After taking testimony, Judge Walter found that the purchaser was a good faith purchaser. A three-judge panel of the 9th circuit affirmed. The Cassirer's options now are two.  They can petition the 9th CIrcuit to hear the case en banc, which means that it would be heard by a panel of around 11 judges; or they can petition the U.S.. Supreme Court to grant certiorari and hear the case. Success in neither case is likely.  En banc hearings are usually granted only to decide important questions of law, and this appears to be primarily a question of fact. The Supreme Court usually grants certiorari when there is a conflict between two circuit courts on the appropriate legal rule.
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)

Re: Conference Handout for Bialystok Area Jewish Genealogy Group Session #JewishGenUpdates

Mark Halpern

Hi Daniel:

Sorry for the delay in responding. Just catching up. 

In the JRI-Poland database are all surviving records through 1905. We have indexed 1906-1915 BMD, which are not online yet as we are still raising funds to pay for the indexing. The German language records during the occupation of 1916-1918 have not yet been indexed. We are looking for a volunteer to index these records, before we commit to pay for an indexer. We have also indexed 1919-1937 MD records. B records are still covered by privacy laws. The MD are not yet in our database as we are still raising funds for these as well. The qualifying donation to obtain access for 1906-1918 is $180. Also $180 for 1919-1942 MD. 

The revision list project is all the Jewish records for towns now in Poland at the Grodno Historical Archive. There are over 33,000 records, which is estimated to cost about $23,000. We are about 55% toward the record goal and 64% toward the financial goal. We had suspended the Grodno work and will be restarting in October. Qualifying contribution for the entire Grodno project is $250. You will get access to records for 28 towns.

As far as I know that colony did not have its own Jewish community and Jewish records. I do not know what town they would be connected to. If those records are included in the Sokolka or other lists, I hope they are uniquely identified.

Best regards,


On 2020-08-16 10:26 am, dtolman via wrote:

Hi Mark,
I enjoyed your talk on the state of Bialy-Gen. I had a few questions (I missed the first 10 minutes of your presentation, so you may have answered this then in your remarks- my apologies):
-What un-indexed records are available for Bialystok proper? I saw the slide where it mentioned 9100 revision list records, and 1400 additional vital records - but I wasn't clear if that was New Additions or what was waiting to be Indexed.
-What is the suggested donation on JRI-Poland to receive access? 
-(unrelated to above) I saw Sokolka on the list of towns for the 1891 revision lists, and earlier vital records. Do you know if any of these records includes the nearby Koloneja Izaaka / Isaakovskaya Koloniya / Izaak Colony? I know there are (at least) revision lists extant that Irwin Keller was kind enough to share, and it seemed it was sometimes folded into the larger Sokolka's files.
Daniel Eig 
From Bialystok: Epstein, Kurianski, and Rogal
PS - thanks to the tip by a participant in the chat on the Bialystoker Album/Yizkor book, I was able to track down a digitized copy posted on the NYPLs site - it had photos I've never seen before of my great-grandmother (and founding member of the Bialystoker Home) Freida (Rogal) Epstein, and one photo that I'm pretty sure is of my grandfather :)

Re: Latvia Database / Christine Usdin Clarification #latvia #records

Bernard Aronson

You claim to have the same records as the late Ms. Usdin, however, in the All-Russian 1897, census two persons were omitted from the Jewish Gen records, which Usdin's translation included.  According to the former, the household of my maternal great grandfather Ruvin Antonos included the family of his second marriage to Mera Patz, their daughter Malka (seamstress, aged 21 y),  her son Khaim (aged 21 y) and his wife Jesne (aged 22 y). The Jewish Gen records omitted Khaim and Jesne's younger daughter Malka (aged 2)  and  Ruvin and Mera's second daughter, Braina (apprentice, aged 14). 

I also found Usdin's translation of the records of rabbi Ratner, et al to be more inclusive for the progeny of my great aunt Ita Beila (nee Sandler) and Ezer Wulf kagan and their children.  We have never been able to determine the fate of this family, which my family felt had been exterminated in the Shoah.

I await anxiously improvement in the Latvian records.  

Bernard Aronson

Re: Katzenellenbogen / Ariogala #rabbinic #lithuania

Jeremy Lichtman

Hi Adam,

I've emailed my cousins to ask if they'd be willing to do DNA testing. Which is the most appropriate test in this case?

I also checked Da'at Kedoshim (Eisenstadt, 1897), and it goes through the Katzenellenbogen lineage down to Yekhezhel. It gives his children's names, but doesn't go further, unfortunately. Not sure what other sources exist.

Thanks for the encouragement!

Jeremy Lichtman

Re: Coat of Arms #poland

Krzysztof Witaszek

In Poland since the Middle Ages many  Jews who converted to Christianity  have received nobility (and coat of arms).
There is an interesting article about it (in Polish).

As I've  noticed,  often there was a David star in their coat of arms.
Krzysztof Witaszek

OCJGS Future Virtual Meetings Line Up #events

Michelle Sandler

This is the lineup for future meetings of The Orange County California Jewish Genealogy Society.  All meetings are virtual and Pacific Time.
Sunday September 13th 11:00 am Stanley Diamond - JRI-Poland
Sunday October 25th 10:00 am Risa Daitzman Heywood - Finding Unindexed Records
Sunday November 22nd 10:00 am Judy Baston - Lithuanian Jewish Research
Sunday December 20th 10:00 am Lara Diamond - TBD
Sunday January 24th 10:00 am Alexander Beider - Jewish Surnames  All about his research

Everyone must register for each event you are interested in.  Go to to register.
Meetings are $5 each or $15 for membership for the next 4 months.

Michelle Sandler MLS
President and Vice President of Programming OCJGS

Re: Index of Baghdadi Jewish Surnames #names

Molly Staub

I have been told that my father’s ancestors fled Harasta (a suburb of Damascus) in the 1830s because of Moslem attempts to convert Jews and Christians. Abraham and Markil arrived in our ancestral town of Dumbraveni, Soroki, Russia (now Moldova) and were given the surname Harast.
— In 19th century America it became Arost.
I have researched successive generations. Is there some way you can suggest to learn about their life in Harasta?
Thank you for all your work,
Molly Arost Staub

Derechin birth/marriage/death records #belarus

Mary Ann Evan

Searching for several families from Derechin and have found a few Revision List records but no vital records. Does anyone know if these records survived, and if so, where they might be? I have check Routes to Roots and FamilySearch as well as JewishGen searches.
Thank you.
Mary Ann Evan

Re: Kagan family in Zvenigorodka, Kiev Gubernia and Philadelphia #ukraine

Myrna Simon

My family is also from Zvenigorodka. I was recently contacted by some relatives who have been living in the States since the 1970's. They have little information since they left ZV and grew up in Kiev. I've been in touch with a genealogist to find out exactly how we are related, because the surname is the same, "Koshevetsky." 
Myrna Simon
missmyrna31@gmail. com
Newport Beach, CA

Re: Lichtenstein family from Slovakia, Austria now called LANE living in Chicago area #austria-czech #general #slovakia #usa


My cousin, who is in her 90’s, was married to a Lichtenstein. Most of his relatives lived in either the Boston area or New York. Some of the first names included Joseph, who was married to Bella, both born in the early 1850’s. Their children were Mary, Florence, Carl, Cecilia (Kitty), Aron and Philip all born between 1877 and 1892. Aaron moved to Boston and that is where my cousin fits into the family. 

Does any of that fit in?

Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Adam Cherson

I haven't read the proceedings of this case, but there is a question in my mind whether a contract (i.e. a purchase and sale transaction) is a voluntary one if one of the parties is acting under extreme duress (i.e. a gun to the head). If the seller's thinking was: either I give this painting over in exchange for the passport or I will likely die, then that is not a truly voluntary meeting of the minds. If that was the case, then one might argue that the original sale was void from the inception and that therefore the chain of title is no good. I guess it all depends on how real the threat to her life was in 1939 in the place where the transaction occurred.

Adam Cherson

Re: Seeking addition information on Seide faimily from Obonick, Prussia #poland #germany

Bruce Seide

Enlisted in San Francisco on Dec. 20, 1864 into the 2nd Infantry as a musician (bugler).  Served 1 yr. 9 months.

Bruce Seide
Charleston, SC

Re: STOUBTSY MEMORIAL BOOK (Stolpce/Stoibtz/Steibtz) #belarus


Hi Janis

You might want to post this on the page Steibtz -- Stolpce--Descendants Group  Good luck

Re: Katzenellenbogen / Ariogala #rabbinic #lithuania

Adam Cherson

Dear Jeremy Lichtman,

I think you've discovered a potential new branch of the Baal Knesset (

If you are correct then the 'high Rabbi' Yakov is the son of the Baal Knesset, as shown here:

In order to seal the case, I would propose seeking to obtain the yDNA haplogroup of one of your Shapiro cousins and then comparing this to that of the Baal Knesset, who is either a J-M172 or an E-35 (your information could also resolve which of those two is correct).

This could be a major K'bogen breakthrough so I encourage you to move ahead with the investigation.

Adam Cherson

Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Rosemary Thomas

I am trying to draw a documented connection between myself and my best match on MyHeritage, without the assistance of the match. Yes I have asked!

I would greatly appreciate any assistance the community could provide in finding KAMMER Zsigmond's marriage and or death registration records.

My maternal grandfather's youngest brother, Zsiga KAMMER, was born on 20 Oct 1890 in Senec Slovakia (then Szempcz Hungary). His parents were Adolf KAMMER and Fani KRAUSZ. The family moved to Budapest c.1900. I have been able to trace Zsigmond through school, university, army service and into private practice as a dentist in Budapest. I have found newspaper and directory references up until 1932 and then he disappears.  Unlike his parents and siblings there seem to be no newspaper notices of his marriage or death in contemporary newspapers. I have searched the Budapest civil records on FamilySearch without success.

I have found Zsigmond as a witness at what I believe to be his sister-in-law's marriage in 1924 in Budapest.  The 1937 edition of KEMPELEN Belá's Magyarországi Zsidó és Zsidó Eredetü Családok, lists Zsigmond as deceased. Kempelen named two daughters, but not Zsigmond's wife. From school records I believe the daughters were born in 1922 and 1926, so their birth records are within the 100 year privacy provisions and not online.  Zsigmond is not listed with his siblings on his mother's January 1937 newspaper death notice suggesting he probably died between 1932 and 1936. I have not been able to locate a burial record for Zsigmond.

I believe his wife remarried in Budapest X in 1938 as a Roman Catholic widow and under her maiden name, SCHWARZ Lilly Lidia. I have been able to locate a 1934 notarial deed on Hungaricana, an authorisation, that may link Zsigmond to Lilly but I have been waiting six weeks for the archive to provide a quotation to provide a copy of the record.

I believe one of the daughter's was killed in the Shoah.  I may have tracked one of Zsigmond's daughters to the USA post World War II. There are some name variations and complicated relationships. A record of marriage would make many hours of 'covid confined' searching more worth while, elevate my closest match to a known match and possibly help me to sort some of my other matches into clearer family lines.

Re: Chevras HaMaggidim - Pressburg 5666 (1906) #rabbinic #austria-czech #photographs


Can't help with the picture (can't zoom in on it, and wouldn't know any of the people if I could), but nitpick: you tagged this "austria-czech", but Pressburg = Pozsony = Bratislava, which is not and was not Czech.

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Re: Since changing to the "Daily Summary" setting for receiving posts, I can no longer see how to reply or... #general

Joyaa Antares

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 01:44 PM, <jbonline1111@...> wrote:
After you go to the individual post, you must also log in.  The link is at the top right hand corner.
Barbara Sloan
Spot on Barbara - thank you.    For some reason, since I moved to the Daily Summary setting, I now need to log in in order to see the "reply", "like" buttons etc.
I imagine others will encounter this issue so I'm responding to the list so they will know the solution.       Thanks, Joyaa

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