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Seeking descendants of Samuel Kivivitz and Goldie Bass #belarus

lhcomac@...
 

I've been researching my paternal grandmother, Tema (Rose) Kivovitz Comac from Derevna, Belarus.  She was the daughter of Samuel Kivovitz and Goldie Bass who were also the parents of Irving  and Faigie.  Irving took the name Cannon in the USA.  Faigie married and lived in the state of Washington; can't recall her last name.  Just discovered there was another brother, Hilel Kivovitz (1878-1935).  I knew both Irving and Faigie but never heard a word about Hilel.  Would love to know why.  He was married to Molly Ornstein who used the name Kivo later in life. They had three children-- Seymour, Gertrude and Rose who also used the name Kivo before her marriage to Emanuel Landsburg.  Would appreciate any info about Faigie or Hilel.

Thank you
Linda Comac
lhcomac@...


Re: Citizenship #general #usa

Susan&David
 

Your GM seems to have  reapplied voluntarily, not remembering the past. What does the 1940 census say about her citizenship?

David Rosen
Boston, MA   

On 8/22/2020 3:02 AM, bobmalakoff via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
The 1930 Census appears to show my mother (age 17 at the time) and her parents as naturalized citizens.  What confuses me is a Petition for Naturalization [of a Married Person, under Sec. 310(a) or (b). 322 or 312 of the Nationality Act of 1940 (S4 Stat. 1144-1145] for my grandmother from 1941. (US District Court, Newark NJ)  Upon further reading it states that she was naturalized on May 28, 1924. I don't understand why she had to petition again.
 
Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh,PA 


Re: need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia

Diane Jacobs
 

That is why the number one rule in genealogy is spelling doesn't count.
I found my grandfather's manifest page
for Glazer listed as Gloetzer.

Always cast a wide net, if you want to find a lot of fishes.

Diane Jacobs



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From: Sherri Bobish <sherribob@...>
Date: 8/19/20 5:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia


Nancy,

I have found individual passenger's names spelled differently on the FamilySearch, Ancestry, and EIDB indices.

Considering how hard it is to read and interpret the handwriting on many of the manifests, it is amazing that we can find any of our ancestors!

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Katzenellenbogen / Ariogala #rabbinic #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

Hello Jeremy,

First I need to correct a typo in the earlier post: the second potential K'bogen haplogroup is E-M35 (not E-35).

In this situation you want to obtain yDNA from a person(s) who is reasonably certain to be a patriline descendant of R' Chackiel Yankielowicz (by patriline I mean male-to-male with no breaks). The initial screen is the Y37 test at FTDNA. This test will provide a base-level haplogroup which will show whether the person is J-M172, E-M35, or something else entirely. More in depth testing may or may not be warranted depending on what the screen shows. I would also suggest testing more than one such cousin from each available, separate line, to the extent possible, because redundancy of result is strongly persuasive in this field. PLMK if you need any further guidance on testing mechanisms, procedures, and/or logistics.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson


Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Adam Cherson
 

First, I thank Professor Lazerow for summarizing the case for those of us with not time to digest another legal document. According to the professor, the case hinges upon whether the buyer showed the "due diligence [in verifying whether the seller had good title] that a reasonable purchaser would have exercised at the time under the circumstances of this purchase." I cannot tell from the summary whether Baron Thyssen-Bornemisza showed reasonable due diligence. All I know from this discussion is that the baron bought the work from a New York Gallery owner in 1976. So what would be reasonable due diligence under these circumstances? Certainly one would want to learn the provenance of the painting (where, when and how did the New York gallery owner get the work?), The next obvious question would be whether the prior owner(s) had good title. Now, I don;t know how much the dealer knew or told the baron about the painting's history, but supposing the baron knew that the Nazi government had been a prior owner, then due diligence, in view of well known and widespread Nazi looting activities, would have involved a determination, perhaps by a lawyer, as to whether the transaction between Lilly Cassirer and the Nazi government was a valid legal contract under German law at the time of that transaction. If it was considered legal under German law for a government official or agency to receive a painting in exchange for securing three exit visas, then there would be no legal issue as to whether succeeding owners could claim a valid title to the work (this would be a question of German law). On the other hand, if the baron had no knowledge of Nazi involvement in the chain of title and could not have reasonably obtained such knowledge, then we have a different case, which would seem to me to be governed by New York law, since the transaction seems to have taken place in New York. In New York State the innocent buyer of stolen property does not become its owner. The buyer would be required to return the property to its rightful owner, and the thieves would owe the innocent buyer the purchase price in restitution. The thieves in this case, if the original transaction was void, would be the successors-in-interest of the Nazi government and possibly other subsequent owners depending on their knowledge of the original theft.

Adam Cherson


Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general

Ellen
 

A great idea for a webinar:  how to use the jroots forum to search for your ancestors.  I've browsed the website a few times, but it's not obvious (at least not to me!) how to use it.

Just my 2 cents!

Ellen
--
Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)


Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Judy Petersen
 

One more:

marriage of Lidia SCHWARCZ (parents Salamon SCHWARCZ and Irma FELNER to Jeno Heim RUSSO in Budapest VI in 1919.  This is her first marriage.  She was divorced when she married Zsiga.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTH9-RWF?i=136

              Judy

PS  Beno KAMMER's wife died in 1926 and their daughter Irma married Lajos DURLACHER in Budapest VI in 1916


Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Judy Petersen
 

P.S.  Other KAMMER records available on MACSE include:

marriage of Adolf and Fani's daughter Ella to Gyula LOVY in Budapest VI in 1909

marriage of Adolf and Fani's son Vilmos to Janka RINTL in Budapest VI in 1915.

death of Adolf KAMMER in 1912, age 61, son of Simon KAMMER and Jozefin BORTSTIEBER; witness Bernat KAMMER

death of Adolf and Fani's daughter Terezia KAMMER in Budapest VIII in 1942.  Her husband was Arnold SPITZER.  witness was Karoly SCHWARCZ.

death of Adolf and Fani's daughter Gabriella KAMMER in Budapest V in 1945; wife of Gyula LOWY

Vilmos KAMMER's death in Budapest VII in May of 1945; married to Janka KRINBEL (either a corruption or misspelling of RINTL).

death of Beno KAMMER, son of Simon KAMMER and Jozefa BOTSTIBER in Budapest VI in 1920, married to Hedwig CZELLER.

     Unfortunately, I couldn't find Zsiga's death.  It's possible the records for the year/district haven't been transcribed yet.  I'm sure you could find records related to the other branches, so definitely worth joining MACSE!

               Best,

                      Judy


Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Judy Petersen
 

Hi Rosemary,
     Here is the link to the record (on familysearch) of Dr. Zsigmond KAMMER to Lidia SCHWARZ in Budapest VI on 9 Apr 1923.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRPS-R1W?i=135

     You couldn't find it in the familysearch records because it hadn't been indexed by them.  However, some digitized (but not indexed) post 1895 civil records images available on familysearch have been transcribed by MACSE, the Hungarian Society for Family History Research, and are available only on the MACSE website's database.  MACSE is fee for service, but it's very reasonable at $30/yr.  If you are doing Hungarian (present day borders) research and can afford it, I strongly suggest you join MACSE.  It has been an absolute boon to my Hungarian research and their database is updated monthly.
     
 www.macse.hu

     Best,


                          Judy Petersen


Re: Leopold Israel Haar deregisteredfrom Vienna, Austria on 16/05/1938 #austria-czech

peterhare46@...
 

Hi Sherri and thank you for your response, yes I have the Move Here information but it doesn’t state how / where my Father came from to England, hence my request through Jewishgen.
kind regards Peter 


Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Marianna Toth
 

VŐLEGÉNY MENYASSZONY
Családneve: Kammer Családneve: Schwarz
Keresztneve: Zsigmond Keresztneve: Lidia
Apja családneve: Kammer Apja családneve: Schwarz
Apja keresztneve: Adolf Apja keresztneve: Salamon
Anyja családneve: Krausz Anyja családneve: Telner
Anyja keresztneve: Fanny Anyja keresztneve: Irma
A házasságkötés dátuma: 1923.04.09.
Helység: VI. kerület
(Budapest)
Folyószám: 534
Megjegyzés:  
Filmkocka-szám: 344 Filmszám: 4429559
Kapcsolat az anyakönyvhöz
a FamilySearch portálon
Feltöltve: 2015.03.01. Azonosító: 1235719  


Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general

yelena.v.volk@...
 

Hello, June!

Okun and Kanfel are popular surname in Moscow synagogue vital records. These records are in the Central Moscow archive. I'm copying these records and want to place them to forum.j-roots.info.
Also there are many folders about Okun and Kanfel Central Moscow archive. You can write me and I will try to find all of these information for you.

Sincerely, Elena
yelena.v.volk@...


Re: "Holy Silence" Documents Vatican's Role in the Holocaust #announcements #holocaust

viferra@outlook.com
 

We watched this excellent documentary yesterday.  I used the link at the bottom of the article in the Jewish Journal to register
https://jewishjournal.com/culture/arts/320367/holy-silence-documents-the-vaticans-role-in-the-holocaust/

Shortly thereafter I received an e-mail with a link to watch.

We were very frustrated at first because the sound through both my laptop and the TV connection was very muted.  It was impossible to hear anything.  Only when we connected external speakers to my computer did the sound become audible.  

Hope this helps for anyone still trying to view the film.

Vicky Furstenberg Ferraresi
Belmont, CA

 


Re: Citizenship #general #usa

bobmalakoff@...
 

The 1930 Census appears to show my mother (age 17 at the time) and her parents as naturalized citizens.  What confuses me is a Petition for Naturalization [of a Married Person, under Sec. 310(a) or (b). 322 or 312 of the Nationality Act of 1940 (S4 Stat. 1144-1145] for my grandmother from 1941. (US District Court, Newark NJ)  Upon further reading it states that she was naturalized on May 28, 1924. I don't understand why she had to petition again.
 
Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh,PA 


Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Sherri Bobish
 


I've been following the discussion regarding the occupation of cutter. 

My grandfather, born in Ariogala (near Kovna) circa 1884, arrived as an 8 year old, and lived and worked in Manhattan.  He kept a diary, and I thought I would share some of the notes he wrote regarding his early years as a cutter.

"Put by cutting table as apprentice February 19,1900 at  A. Hurwitz B'way, N.Y. at $4.00"

"Found employment at Empire Skirt Co. May 24 1900, at $9.00 per week as cutter."

"Permanent work at Empire.  Left, and resumed work at Hester Wesler (B'way.) July 2, 1900, @ $10. per week."

"Got position at Star Skirt Co. July 9, 1901 @ $12.00 raised $2.00."

Regards,

Sherri Bobish



Re: Leopold Israel Haar deregisteredfrom Vienna, Austria on 16/05/1938 #austria-czech

Sherri Bobish
 


Peter,

I guess you've seen this index card:
https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.movinghere.org.uk/deliveryfiles/PRO/HO396_32_011/0/1.pdf

Also, 
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?filters%5BmakerString%5D%5BHaar%2C%20Zygmunt%20and%20Leopold%5D=on

2nd Polish Corps Fight in Italy
Haar, Zygmunt and Leopold (Undefined) Polish Public Relations Unit (publisher/sponsor)

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Schewach family in Bialystok #poland

Mark Halpern
 

This table is from the JewishGen Gazetteer under Databases on the JewishGen website. Lopenice is only 8.9 miles from Volkovysk.

Locations within 10 miles of 53°02' N 24°29' E
Run on Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:48:30 -0600
For an online Map click on Google Maps

Location
(Native names in BOLD)
Feature Type Coordinates
(Click for JewishGen Resource Map)
Map Country Distance/Direction
from reference point
10 mile radius
Malaya Lopenitsa, Lopenitsa Mala populated place 53°02' N 24°29' E G Belarus 0.0 miles N of 53°02' N 24°29' E
Vawkavysk, Wołkowysk, Volkovysk populated place 53°09' N 24°28' E G Belarus 8.9 miles N of 53°02' N 24°29' E
 

I cannot answer your other questions about the Klatnicki family. If there is no record, there is no data. We have indexed all the 1891 Bialystok births and all the years around 1891 and there is no Boruch born then. That means his birth was not recorded or he was born in a nearby town and not in Bialystok. Maybe you need to look closer in Grodno or Volkovysk. Use the JewishGen Belarus database for those areas.

Best regards,
Mark

On 2020-08-17 10:09 am, Loryn Hudson via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thank you for letting me know and for your help. Abram ben Aron/Boruch KLATNICKI  was Ethel's brother.  We don't know how Pesza SZEWACH daughter of Iosel is related. Where is  Lopenice in relation to Wolkowysk?  Was there a birth location for Pesza?  Was there any additional documents for Aron/Boruch KLATNICKI. 

I have the immigration and naturalization records for Boruch Schewach.  He was born in August of 1891 in Bialystock and immigrated in December 1910. Boruch's last residence was Bialystok. His father Josel was listed as a relative.  Josef's location was Grodno.

Loryn



 


Re: LEBEDENKO/LEBEDENCO surname origins #ukraine #romania #russia #general

Pablo Libedinsky
 

Could it be related to LIBEDINSKY/LEBEDINSKY?  
There is the town of Lebedyn/Lebedin in the Ukraine.  Its coat of arms has a swan in it, which ties in with the meaning of lebed = swan in Russian

Pablo Libedinsky


Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Herbert Lazerow
 

   The initial question in this case was whether California or Spanish law would apply to determine the ownership of a painting that was bought in the U.S. 60 years ago by a Spaniard, kept in Spain during that time, and was transferred to a Spanish foundation.  Judge Walter in a thorough opinion in 2015 ruled that Spanish law applied.  On appeal to the 9th circuit, the court affirmed that opinion, but remanded to Judge Walter to determine the factual question of whether the last requirement of Spanish law had been met, being whether the acquirer was a good faith purchaser. Under Spanish law, one needs to not only not know that the work had been stolen.  One must also have engaged in the due diligence that a reasonable purchaser would have exercised at the time under the circumstances of this purchase. After taking testimony, Judge Walter found that the purchaser was a good faith purchaser. A three-judge panel of the 9th circuit affirmed. The Cassirer's options now are two.  They can petition the 9th CIrcuit to hear the case en banc, which means that it would be heard by a panel of around 11 judges; or they can petition the U.S.. Supreme Court to grant certiorari and hear the case. Success in neither case is likely.  En banc hearings are usually granted only to decide important questions of law, and this appears to be primarily a question of fact. The Supreme Court usually grants certiorari when there is a conflict between two circuit courts on the appropriate legal rule.
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
lazer@...
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)


Re: Conference Handout for Bialystok Area Jewish Genealogy Group Session #JewishGenUpdates

Mark Halpern
 

Hi Daniel:

Sorry for the delay in responding. Just catching up. 

In the JRI-Poland database are all surviving records through 1905. We have indexed 1906-1915 BMD, which are not online yet as we are still raising funds to pay for the indexing. The German language records during the occupation of 1916-1918 have not yet been indexed. We are looking for a volunteer to index these records, before we commit to pay for an indexer. We have also indexed 1919-1937 MD records. B records are still covered by privacy laws. The MD are not yet in our database as we are still raising funds for these as well. The qualifying donation to obtain access for 1906-1918 is $180. Also $180 for 1919-1942 MD. 

The revision list project is all the Jewish records for towns now in Poland at the Grodno Historical Archive. There are over 33,000 records, which is estimated to cost about $23,000. We are about 55% toward the record goal and 64% toward the financial goal. We had suspended the Grodno work and will be restarting in October. Qualifying contribution for the entire Grodno project is $250. You will get access to records for 28 towns.

As far as I know that colony did not have its own Jewish community and Jewish records. I do not know what town they would be connected to. If those records are included in the Sokolka or other lists, I hope they are uniquely identified.

Best regards,
Mark

 

On 2020-08-16 10:26 am, dtolman via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

Hi Mark,
I enjoyed your talk on the state of Bialy-Gen. I had a few questions (I missed the first 10 minutes of your presentation, so you may have answered this then in your remarks- my apologies):
-What un-indexed records are available for Bialystok proper? I saw the slide where it mentioned 9100 revision list records, and 1400 additional vital records - but I wasn't clear if that was New Additions or what was waiting to be Indexed.
-What is the suggested donation on JRI-Poland to receive access? 
-(unrelated to above) I saw Sokolka on the list of towns for the 1891 revision lists, and earlier vital records. Do you know if any of these records includes the nearby Koloneja Izaaka / Isaakovskaya Koloniya / Izaak Colony? I know there are (at least) revision lists extant that Irwin Keller was kind enough to share, and it seemed it was sometimes folded into the larger Sokolka's files.
 
thanks!
Daniel Eig 
From Bialystok: Epstein, Kurianski, and Rogal
 
PS - thanks to the tip by a participant in the chat on the Bialystoker Album/Yizkor book, I was able to track down a digitized copy posted on the NYPLs site - it had photos I've never seen before of my great-grandmother (and founding member of the Bialystoker Home) Freida (Rogal) Epstein, and one photo that I'm pretty sure is of my grandfather :)

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