Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general


A great idea for a webinar:  how to use the jroots forum to search for your ancestors.  I've browsed the website a few times, but it's not obvious (at least not to me!) how to use it.

Just my 2 cents!


Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Judy Petersen

One more:

marriage of Lidia SCHWARCZ (parents Salamon SCHWARCZ and Irma FELNER to Jeno Heim RUSSO in Budapest VI in 1919.  This is her first marriage.  She was divorced when she married Zsiga.


PS  Beno KAMMER's wife died in 1926 and their daughter Irma married Lajos DURLACHER in Budapest VI in 1916

Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Judy Petersen

P.S.  Other KAMMER records available on MACSE include:

marriage of Adolf and Fani's daughter Ella to Gyula LOVY in Budapest VI in 1909

marriage of Adolf and Fani's son Vilmos to Janka RINTL in Budapest VI in 1915.

death of Adolf KAMMER in 1912, age 61, son of Simon KAMMER and Jozefin BORTSTIEBER; witness Bernat KAMMER

death of Adolf and Fani's daughter Terezia KAMMER in Budapest VIII in 1942.  Her husband was Arnold SPITZER.  witness was Karoly SCHWARCZ.

death of Adolf and Fani's daughter Gabriella KAMMER in Budapest V in 1945; wife of Gyula LOWY

Vilmos KAMMER's death in Budapest VII in May of 1945; married to Janka KRINBEL (either a corruption or misspelling of RINTL).

death of Beno KAMMER, son of Simon KAMMER and Jozefa BOTSTIBER in Budapest VI in 1920, married to Hedwig CZELLER.

     Unfortunately, I couldn't find Zsiga's death.  It's possible the records for the year/district haven't been transcribed yet.  I'm sure you could find records related to the other branches, so definitely worth joining MACSE!



Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Judy Petersen

Hi Rosemary,
     Here is the link to the record (on familysearch) of Dr. Zsigmond KAMMER to Lidia SCHWARZ in Budapest VI on 9 Apr 1923.

     You couldn't find it in the familysearch records because it hadn't been indexed by them.  However, some digitized (but not indexed) post 1895 civil records images available on familysearch have been transcribed by MACSE, the Hungarian Society for Family History Research, and are available only on the MACSE website's database.  MACSE is fee for service, but it's very reasonable at $30/yr.  If you are doing Hungarian (present day borders) research and can afford it, I strongly suggest you join MACSE.  It has been an absolute boon to my Hungarian research and their database is updated monthly.


                          Judy Petersen

Re: Leopold Israel Haar deregisteredfrom Vienna, Austria on 16/05/1938 #austria-czech


Hi Sherri and thank you for your response, yes I have the Move Here information but it doesn’t state how / where my Father came from to England, hence my request through Jewishgen.
kind regards Peter 

Re: Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Marianna Toth

Családneve: Kammer Családneve: Schwarz
Keresztneve: Zsigmond Keresztneve: Lidia
Apja családneve: Kammer Apja családneve: Schwarz
Apja keresztneve: Adolf Apja keresztneve: Salamon
Anyja családneve: Krausz Anyja családneve: Telner
Anyja keresztneve: Fanny Anyja keresztneve: Irma
A házasságkötés dátuma: 1923.04.09.
Helység: VI. kerület
Folyószám: 534
Filmkocka-szám: 344 Filmszám: 4429559
Kapcsolat az anyakönyvhöz
a FamilySearch portálon
Feltöltve: 2015.03.01. Azonosító: 1235719  

Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general


Hello, June!

Okun and Kanfel are popular surname in Moscow synagogue vital records. These records are in the Central Moscow archive. I'm copying these records and want to place them to
Also there are many folders about Okun and Kanfel Central Moscow archive. You can write me and I will try to find all of these information for you.

Sincerely, Elena

Re: "Holy Silence" Documents Vatican's Role in the Holocaust #announcements #holocaust

We watched this excellent documentary yesterday.  I used the link at the bottom of the article in the Jewish Journal to register

Shortly thereafter I received an e-mail with a link to watch.

We were very frustrated at first because the sound through both my laptop and the TV connection was very muted.  It was impossible to hear anything.  Only when we connected external speakers to my computer did the sound become audible.  

Hope this helps for anyone still trying to view the film.

Vicky Furstenberg Ferraresi
Belmont, CA


Re: Citizenship #general #usa


The 1930 Census appears to show my mother (age 17 at the time) and her parents as naturalized citizens.  What confuses me is a Petition for Naturalization [of a Married Person, under Sec. 310(a) or (b). 322 or 312 of the Nationality Act of 1940 (S4 Stat. 1144-1145] for my grandmother from 1941. (US District Court, Newark NJ)  Upon further reading it states that she was naturalized on May 28, 1924. I don't understand why she had to petition again.
Bob Malakoff

Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Sherri Bobish

I've been following the discussion regarding the occupation of cutter. 

My grandfather, born in Ariogala (near Kovna) circa 1884, arrived as an 8 year old, and lived and worked in Manhattan.  He kept a diary, and I thought I would share some of the notes he wrote regarding his early years as a cutter.

"Put by cutting table as apprentice February 19,1900 at  A. Hurwitz B'way, N.Y. at $4.00"

"Found employment at Empire Skirt Co. May 24 1900, at $9.00 per week as cutter."

"Permanent work at Empire.  Left, and resumed work at Hester Wesler (B'way.) July 2, 1900, @ $10. per week."

"Got position at Star Skirt Co. July 9, 1901 @ $12.00 raised $2.00."


Sherri Bobish

Re: Leopold Israel Haar deregisteredfrom Vienna, Austria on 16/05/1938 #austria-czech

Sherri Bobish


I guess you've seen this index card:


2nd Polish Corps Fight in Italy
Haar, Zygmunt and Leopold (Undefined) Polish Public Relations Unit (publisher/sponsor)


Sherri Bobish

Re: Schewach family in Bialystok #poland

Mark Halpern

This table is from the JewishGen Gazetteer under Databases on the JewishGen website. Lopenice is only 8.9 miles from Volkovysk.

Locations within 10 miles of 53°02' N 24°29' E
Run on Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:48:30 -0600
For an online Map click on Google Maps

(Native names in BOLD)
Feature Type Coordinates
(Click for JewishGen Resource Map)
Map Country Distance/Direction
from reference point
10 mile radius
Malaya Lopenitsa, Lopenitsa Mala populated place 53°02' N 24°29' E G Belarus 0.0 miles N of 53°02' N 24°29' E
Vawkavysk, Wołkowysk, Volkovysk populated place 53°09' N 24°28' E G Belarus 8.9 miles N of 53°02' N 24°29' E

I cannot answer your other questions about the Klatnicki family. If there is no record, there is no data. We have indexed all the 1891 Bialystok births and all the years around 1891 and there is no Boruch born then. That means his birth was not recorded or he was born in a nearby town and not in Bialystok. Maybe you need to look closer in Grodno or Volkovysk. Use the JewishGen Belarus database for those areas.

Best regards,

On 2020-08-17 10:09 am, Loryn Hudson via wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thank you for letting me know and for your help. Abram ben Aron/Boruch KLATNICKI  was Ethel's brother.  We don't know how Pesza SZEWACH daughter of Iosel is related. Where is  Lopenice in relation to Wolkowysk?  Was there a birth location for Pesza?  Was there any additional documents for Aron/Boruch KLATNICKI. 

I have the immigration and naturalization records for Boruch Schewach.  He was born in August of 1891 in Bialystock and immigrated in December 1910. Boruch's last residence was Bialystok. His father Josel was listed as a relative.  Josef's location was Grodno.



Re: LEBEDENKO/LEBEDENCO surname origins #ukraine #romania #russia #general

Pablo Libedinsky

Could it be related to LIBEDINSKY/LEBEDINSKY?  
There is the town of Lebedyn/Lebedin in the Ukraine.  Its coat of arms has a swan in it, which ties in with the meaning of lebed = swan in Russian

Pablo Libedinsky

Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Herbert Lazerow

   The initial question in this case was whether California or Spanish law would apply to determine the ownership of a painting that was bought in the U.S. 60 years ago by a Spaniard, kept in Spain during that time, and was transferred to a Spanish foundation.  Judge Walter in a thorough opinion in 2015 ruled that Spanish law applied.  On appeal to the 9th circuit, the court affirmed that opinion, but remanded to Judge Walter to determine the factual question of whether the last requirement of Spanish law had been met, being whether the acquirer was a good faith purchaser. Under Spanish law, one needs to not only not know that the work had been stolen.  One must also have engaged in the due diligence that a reasonable purchaser would have exercised at the time under the circumstances of this purchase. After taking testimony, Judge Walter found that the purchaser was a good faith purchaser. A three-judge panel of the 9th circuit affirmed. The Cassirer's options now are two.  They can petition the 9th CIrcuit to hear the case en banc, which means that it would be heard by a panel of around 11 judges; or they can petition the U.S.. Supreme Court to grant certiorari and hear the case. Success in neither case is likely.  En banc hearings are usually granted only to decide important questions of law, and this appears to be primarily a question of fact. The Supreme Court usually grants certiorari when there is a conflict between two circuit courts on the appropriate legal rule.
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)

Re: Conference Handout for Bialystok Area Jewish Genealogy Group Session #JewishGenUpdates

Mark Halpern

Hi Daniel:

Sorry for the delay in responding. Just catching up. 

In the JRI-Poland database are all surviving records through 1905. We have indexed 1906-1915 BMD, which are not online yet as we are still raising funds to pay for the indexing. The German language records during the occupation of 1916-1918 have not yet been indexed. We are looking for a volunteer to index these records, before we commit to pay for an indexer. We have also indexed 1919-1937 MD records. B records are still covered by privacy laws. The MD are not yet in our database as we are still raising funds for these as well. The qualifying donation to obtain access for 1906-1918 is $180. Also $180 for 1919-1942 MD. 

The revision list project is all the Jewish records for towns now in Poland at the Grodno Historical Archive. There are over 33,000 records, which is estimated to cost about $23,000. We are about 55% toward the record goal and 64% toward the financial goal. We had suspended the Grodno work and will be restarting in October. Qualifying contribution for the entire Grodno project is $250. You will get access to records for 28 towns.

As far as I know that colony did not have its own Jewish community and Jewish records. I do not know what town they would be connected to. If those records are included in the Sokolka or other lists, I hope they are uniquely identified.

Best regards,


On 2020-08-16 10:26 am, dtolman via wrote:

Hi Mark,
I enjoyed your talk on the state of Bialy-Gen. I had a few questions (I missed the first 10 minutes of your presentation, so you may have answered this then in your remarks- my apologies):
-What un-indexed records are available for Bialystok proper? I saw the slide where it mentioned 9100 revision list records, and 1400 additional vital records - but I wasn't clear if that was New Additions or what was waiting to be Indexed.
-What is the suggested donation on JRI-Poland to receive access? 
-(unrelated to above) I saw Sokolka on the list of towns for the 1891 revision lists, and earlier vital records. Do you know if any of these records includes the nearby Koloneja Izaaka / Isaakovskaya Koloniya / Izaak Colony? I know there are (at least) revision lists extant that Irwin Keller was kind enough to share, and it seemed it was sometimes folded into the larger Sokolka's files.
Daniel Eig 
From Bialystok: Epstein, Kurianski, and Rogal
PS - thanks to the tip by a participant in the chat on the Bialystoker Album/Yizkor book, I was able to track down a digitized copy posted on the NYPLs site - it had photos I've never seen before of my great-grandmother (and founding member of the Bialystoker Home) Freida (Rogal) Epstein, and one photo that I'm pretty sure is of my grandfather :)

Re: Latvia Database / Christine Usdin Clarification #latvia #records

Bernard Aronson <dovbenhos@...>

You claim to have the same records as the late Ms. Usdin, however, in the All-Russian 1897, census two persons were omitted from the Jewish Gen records, which Usdin's translation included.  According to the former, the household of my maternal great grandfather Ruvin Antonos included the family of his second marriage to Mera Patz, their daughter Malka (seamstress, aged 21 y),  her son Khaim (aged 21 y) and his wife Jesne (aged 22 y). The Jewish Gen records omitted Khaim and Jesne's younger daughter Malka (aged 2)  and  Ruvin and Mera's second daughter, Braina (apprentice, aged 14). 

I also found Usdin's translation of the records of rabbi Ratner, et al to be more inclusive for the progeny of my great aunt Ita Beila (nee Sandler) and Ezer Wulf kagan and their children.  We have never been able to determine the fate of this family, which my family felt had been exterminated in the Shoah.

I await anxiously improvement in the Latvian records.  

Bernard Aronson

Re: Katzenellenbogen / Ariogala #rabbinic #lithuania

Jeremy Lichtman

Hi Adam,

I've emailed my cousins to ask if they'd be willing to do DNA testing. Which is the most appropriate test in this case?

I also checked Da'at Kedoshim (Eisenstadt, 1897), and it goes through the Katzenellenbogen lineage down to Yekhezhel. It gives his children's names, but doesn't go further, unfortunately. Not sure what other sources exist.

Thanks for the encouragement!

Jeremy Lichtman

Re: Coat of Arms #poland

Krzysztof Witaszek

In Poland since the Middle Ages many  Jews who converted to Christianity  have received nobility (and coat of arms).
There is an interesting article about it (in Polish).

As I've  noticed,  often there was a David star in their coat of arms.
Krzysztof Witaszek

OCJGS Future Virtual Meetings Line Up #events

Michelle Sandler

This is the lineup for future meetings of The Orange County California Jewish Genealogy Society.  All meetings are virtual and Pacific Time.
Sunday September 13th 11:00 am Stanley Diamond - JRI-Poland
Sunday October 25th 10:00 am Risa Daitzman Heywood - Finding Unindexed Records
Sunday November 22nd 10:00 am Judy Baston - Lithuanian Jewish Research
Sunday December 20th 10:00 am Lara Diamond - TBD
Sunday January 24th 10:00 am Alexander Beider - Jewish Surnames  All about his research

Everyone must register for each event you are interested in.  Go to to register.
Meetings are $5 each or $15 for membership for the next 4 months.

Michelle Sandler MLS
President and Vice President of Programming OCJGS

Re: Index of Baghdadi Jewish Surnames #names

Molly Staub

I have been told that my father’s ancestors fled Harasta (a suburb of Damascus) in the 1830s because of Moslem attempts to convert Jews and Christians. Abraham and Markil arrived in our ancestral town of Dumbraveni, Soroki, Russia (now Moldova) and were given the surname Harast.
— In 19th century America it became Arost.
I have researched successive generations. Is there some way you can suggest to learn about their life in Harasta?
Thank you for all your work,
Molly Arost Staub

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