Re: Genealogy research leads to discovery of cousins thought to have died in the Holocaust #holocaust


SO fascinating!

I hope that you will post here again when you've added the rest of the story.
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: Russian Website Jewish Roots #russia #general

Stephen Weinstein

about 80% of the world Jewish population lived within the Pale in Russian Empire in the 19th century, and almost every one of you had roots in the Russian Empire, it is surprising that no one  visits Russian-language forums
Elena, the percentage with roots anywhere that Russia is still the official language would be much lower.  Most of the Pale was farther west than modern-day Russia.  The "Russian Empire" included not only modern-day Russia, but also most of the rest of the former Soviet Union, and a substantial part of Poland.

Very few of the Jews who emigrated to the United States (or other western countries) 100-140 years ago had roots in what is now Russia.  Most of them were from what is now Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, or Latvia.

There was a small population of elite Jews who were allowed to live east of the Pale, but since they were in an extremely privileged (and somewhat protected) position (and they frequently had substantial wealth that they would not have been permitted to bring with them), they had less incentive to emigrate than poorer Jews in the Pale.

During the Holocaust, many Jews fled from the former Pale into the Russian SSR, but many Jews were not allowed to leave the Soviet Union until its collapse, so Jews over 40 years old who were not born there are relatively unlikely to have roots in the Russian SSR. 

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA, USA

Re: Seeking descendants of Samuel Kivivitz and Goldie Bass #belarus

Gerald and Margaret

I suggest you contact the "Together Plan", a British based charity helping the remaining Jewish communities in Belarus learn to help themselves.  One of the Directors, fluent in English, Russian and Belarussian, is based in Minsk. One of their projects is to carry out genealogical research for descendents of Belarussian Jews.  That seems just wast you are looking for.
Contact london@...

Good hunting,

Margaret (London N3)

Re: Seeking descendants of Samuel Kivivitz and Goldie Bass #belarus


Goldie was from Derevna, also known as Derewna, was in the Minsk region in the county of Stolpce.  She might, therefore, be related to your line.  One of the problems lies in the use of different names--given as well as surnames.  On, Goldie appears on the Kweitzer/Bass family tree owned by Bdebrose.  Do those names sound familiar?

Linda Comac

surname Morpurgo #names

Roberta Sheps

I have been reading Primo Levi's collection of stories The Periodic Table
and looked up some biography on him. He married a woman named Lucia
Morpurgo and I wonder if her family had any connection with the English
childrens' writer Michael Morpurgo. Does anyone know?

Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England

Shore family Passage Jaffa, Palestine to Le Havre, France #france

Roberta Lipitz <rlipitz@...>

Looking for any information how my Great Grandfather Hersche Shore, Grandmother Fannie Shore and her younger sister traveled in July 1903 from Jaffa to board the La Loraine in Le Havre, France.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Roberta Lipitz
Cherry Hill, NJ

Re: Rabbi Uri David Ben Yosef Aperion (Apiryon?) of Zagare Lithuania, late 19th centrury #lithuania #rabbinic

Ittai Hershman

A PDF of the short book is available at  It is in the genre of rabbinic responsa.  It seems highly unlikely to me that you would find am English translation as it is a specialized genre with its own assumptions of an underlying cultural literacy.

You can find more about the genre of Rabbinic Responsa in Wikipedia.

Ittai Hershman

Re: Rabbi Uri David Ben Yosef Aperion (Apiryon?) of Zagare Lithuania, late 19th centrury #lithuania #rabbinic

Debbie Lifshitz

The name is Uri David ben Yosef EFRON (the letter Peh is also pronounced Feh, and the title of the book is a play on the two sounds of this letter: in the name a Feh and in the title Peh.)
Hope this helps,
Debbie Lifschitz

Help: Hebrew use of Gis brother law in the 18th century Germany #translation #germany

Marion D

Please does anyone know if apart from 'Brother-in -law' there might be other meanings for the hebrew גיס  , used in 1770 in a Memorbook from Deutz, Germany.
I am trying to work out a complicated relationship!
Many thanks
Marion Davies

Re: Leopold Israel Haar deregisteredfrom Vienna, Austria on 16/05/1938 #austria-czech

Michael Hoffman

Peter, have you contacted World Jewish Relief, they have an archive of all the records for refugees that they helped prior to and after WWII, see the following 
They have the records for about 55000 Jewish Refugees who came to the UK, including the family of Jerry Springer.


Michael Hoffman


Re: Seeking descendants of Samuel Kivivitz and Goldie Bass #belarus

Neil Bass

Never heard of Goldie Bass but I do descend from the Bass clan of the Minsk suburbs.

Re: need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia

Diane Jacobs

That is very true which comes from trial and error and experience  but as far as I am concerned it is also a matter of luck and  grey matter, ie if the records are there to be found and if you use your brain to try different ways to find what you need. It is also patience and fortitude, the names of the 2 lions in front of the NYPL in mid-Manhattan.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset NJ

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"That is why the number one rule in genealogy is spelling doesn't count."

That was my number two rule of genealogy when I taught it. Number one was, "This isn't high school, you do what you want, but some things work better than others, so we will learn some of the better ways here."

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Lost Nazi property claim record #holocaust #germany


Re: Hebrew Translation Requests: Two News Articles #translation


Hello Sharon,

The first document declares the death of Itta Einbund in 1941. The declaration was made by Re'aya Einbund. Unfortunately I can't understand the other details as they are written, I believe, in Russian (although I might be very well be wrong).
The address of Re'aya is also provided- Hatayasim 64/520 Ashkelon, Israel.
The second document is the declaration of the death of Banya or Benya Einbund in 1941 and was provided by the same person.

Hope this helps,
Researching SCHLOSSER (Bialystok)

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 06:20 PM, Sfingold wrote:
I've posted two news articles that I believe are related to my great-great-grandfather Rabbi Alperstein.  I'd appreciate help with translations.  Thank you.

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travel from Besarabia to Hamburg in 1905 #bessarabia

Ricardo Alejandro rubinstein

My grandgrandparents (Aranovich, Guerberoff) lived in Izmail,Besarabia, today Ukraine, in 1905 they came to Argentina by ship from Hamburg to Buenos Aires in the Cap Arcona, from Hamburg Sud company
I d like to know how they travelled from Besarabia to Hamburg by that time. By ship by the Danube River, or they went to Odessa and then by ship from the Mediterranean Sea, or perhaps by any means in land crossing.
Are possible routes or records to search?

Re: Citizenship #general #usa

Stephen Weinstein


At one time, a woman who married a citizen automatically became a citizen.  Also, a woman citizen who married a non-citizen automatically lost her citizenship.  The law has changed; citizenship is no longer automatically gained or lost through marriage.  If your mother married your father when women automatically acquired citizenship by marriage to (male) citizens, then she was a citizen.

At all times, there were records that had spelling mistakes and there were name changes.  At some times, there were records that don't survive for various reasons or can't be found easily.  You cannot conclude that someone was not a naturalized citizen merely because you have not found a record of it.

In summary,

Can I conclude that she was not a citizen?  No
Were the laws different then? Yes

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA

Re: MARANTZ - Odessa, Ukraine, Russia 1872 #ukraine #russia #austria-czech #unitedkingdom


Szulim Marantz born 15nov1910son of Nathaniel Marantz from Bessarabia Roumania, 
Married my aunt in Melbourne Australia in 1939. Not sure if this a relative.

Marriage Act/Poland Archives to translate it in English. #poland #translation

Jacques Klein

I am wondering if there is somebody having time and ability to search an marriage act in and Poland Archives to translate it in English.
It concerns Berek SZER, son of Pinkwas Moszek SZER and Kajla KIERSZENBLUM, married in Lublin (Poland) in 1917. The act is number 147.
Thanks a lot
Jacques Klein
Paris, France

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Else Stransky burial #austria-czech

Daniela Torsh

I am starting to research a relative of my great grandmother Wilhelmine
POLLAK. She had an older sister Charlotte Loebl born in Eidlitz in Bohemia
who married Moritz FRANKL. One of their children was Else Frankl born in
Decin in Bohemia 1882 who married Emil Stransky . Emil died in 1937 and
was buried in the Zentralfriedhof gate 4. Else and her daughter Annie fled
the Nazis in Vienna for London in 1939. Her son Paul survived.
Else died in 1975 in London and I would like to find her grave and burial
records. I've checked Jewish Gen with no luck. Her daughter Annie born
Vienna 1909, who may have remained single, also died in England. She lived
in Surrey and died April 22 1993 and was buried in Wandsworth.
Can anyone help me with these two women please?
Daniela Torsh,
Sydney Australia
Researching POLLAK in Morina, Stransky in Vienna and England.

Re: Rabbi Uri David Ben Yosef Aperion (Apiryon?) of Zagare Lithuania, late 19th centrury #lithuania #rabbinic

David Lewin

At 21:44 22/08/2020, ajstonevt via wrote:
Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has any additional information about this individual, his life or his family beyond the limited facts that I've been able to find so far on line. 
Rabbi Uri David Ben Yosef Aperion was apparently a leader in the Zagare jewish community in the late 19th century and wrote a a work of religious scholarship called "Sefer Apiryon Dovid" that supposedly won him some acclaim - I found reprints of it still available for sale on Amazon and other site, but only in Hebrew.  I would love to find an english translation of it or find someone to look at it and just summarize for me what it is about, as well as seeing if it contains any details about his life and his family, as i try to trace my lineage back to him. Thanks so much for any responses?

Aperion is NOT a name.  It is a litter as in
The word is used to describe the exalt an individual ( who would have been important enpugh to be carried in such a litter)

David Lewin

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