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Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Peter Cherna
 

The digital records for the Vienna Marriages database are deemed correct when they match the specific source documents from which that database was derived.

If you have different, also valid documents that are more accurate, you can use those corrected spellings wherever you see fit, but they are not a valid source for correcting the JewishGen databases. You message, and your reply, leave some uncertainty between two very different cases:
  • The digital representation of the records in the database do not match the documents from which they were directly transcribed (where a correction is warranted)
  • The digital representation of the records in the database do no match other genealogical information you may have obtained elsewhere (where a correction would be wrong)

The job of the JewishGen databases is not to show the "best" information (whatever that means!), but to be as precise a digital representation of their one specific source.

Peter
Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Shelley Mitchell
 

This problem of information is very interesting. I just designed a matzevah for my mother’s sister. For my grandmother’s name I started using the name on all of her paperwork which showed Beyla Pesia. My cousin reminded me that our grandmother always said her name was Pesia Beyla. That name would be consistent with Jewish tradition because the first baby’s name was Beyla. Tradition would have the second name in the front as a first name. In this case, the headstone will now say Pesia Beyla. No need to change paperwork. 

Shelley Mitchell 
Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

JPmiaou@...
 

Archiving your file in the Genealogies section of FamilySearch is a good option, I think: your work will be freely searchable and available, with no ads or paywalls, but nobody will be able to change anything. (Not even you, except by deleting the file and uploading a new one.)

The only drawback I can see is the general confusion that's prevalent about what FamilySearch really is or what it does. There are people out there who apparently honestly believe that Historical Records on FS is a different entity than the Family Tree on FS; they create different logins for the two, and are surprised when they use the wrong login and can't see themselves in Tree. The other extreme also occurs: many people discount everything FamilySearch -- even images of historical records -- because of errors they've encountered on the Tree or in indexes. There is also widespread ignorance of the collaborative nature of FS's tree, and the separateness of the Genealogies section, and lots of misinformation about how all this relates to the LDS church or to for-profit organizations like Ancestry.

It has been a few years since I used FS's upload, so I don't know if this still applies, but you should make sure _not_ to procede to the "import into Tree" part of the upload process. It's ancient code, badly broken and badly presented; I hope they've gotten rid of it, but things like this move Verrry Slowwwly at FS. (As I recall, the process made it much too easy to accidentally create duplicate profiles and/or override years of research with a single unintentional click; it didn't show everything I needed to make sane judgements, and was misleading about what my actions would actually do.)

Julia
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Family Tree Recommendations #general

David Lerer
 

Any recommendation for a family tree application? I do understand that MyHeritage is linked with JewishGen. Has it been a good experience with MyHeritage? Or any other software? Thanks, David.
Re: Birth/marriage/census records in Oberwart, Hungary #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

Another possibly-useful FamilySearch catalog page:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/633984
Feudáliskori összeírások, 1714-1848 ("Feudal-age censuses")

It looks like Felsőőr was written up in 1835; it starts toward the end of one film:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6C-VVLT?i=614&cat=633984

and ends at the beginning of the next film:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6C-3DRR?i=28&cat=633984

Juli
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Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Adam Cherson
 

I thank Prof. Gath for the additional information regarding Pissaro's ancestry, which is a fascinating twist to the story (this seems like an interesting novel for those who are interested: https://repeatingislands.com/2015/09/14/the-marriage-of-opposites-who-was-rachel-pissarro-camilles-mother/). I would not say it is legally 'wrong' to identify Camille Pissarro as Danish-French. He was born in the Danish colony of St. Thomas to a mother who was from a family of French Jews and a father who was from a family of French Jews of Portuguese extraction. Pissarro's father was a prominent merchant on the island of St. Thomas, whose island economy provided much of Pissarro's wherewithal throughout his life. Pissarro studied painting in France, his paintings executed mostly in France, are predominantly of French landscapes and French urban scenes (with some other Northern European scenes as well), and he married and had children in France with a French-Catholic woman. So perhaps a more accurate description would be to say that Pissarro was a French Jew born on Danish territory (of Sephardic descent on his father's side, not sure of his mother's). I do not know whether St. Thomas or Israel or France or somewhere else would be the most justified place for this painting to be exhibited, but it would seem that Madrid isn't of much relevance to the story, unless one considers the Spanish and later Portuguese expulsions to have initiated the chain of events which eventually lead to St. Thomas, which would be of course the most ironic ending of all: a museum in the place that expelled Pissarro's ancestors now owning the painting, which in turn could be a good thing if it were used to show the error and harm of Spain's arbitrary ethnic cleansing of Jews 500 years ago. I personally would like to see the tiny Caribbean island which fomented Camille Pissarro's artistic output get the credit for at least one of his roughly 1,600 works. I also think it makes sense for his works to be on exhibit in France, the Dominican Republic (mother's family), Israel, Portugal, and yes even in Spain. Camille Pissarro was a product of all these places, and probably more. I am reading that Pissarro was also an anarchist politically (which is not to be confused with someone who advocates for what we think of today as anarchy). Is there a museum somewhere for anarchist painters I wonder :-)

Adam Cherson
Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Selma Sheridan
 

Dear JewishGen researchers,
Re my question of 25 August: I would never request database corrections without having copies of original documents.  Whom could I contact about this?  
With many thanks,
Selma Sheridan
Oswego NY
Re: Hungarian Jewish BMD records #records #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

There hasn't been a change, except in the website's behavior re: logging in. Check the top right corner of your window and log in. The microfilm reels should all change to cameras.

Julia
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Re: Birth/marriage/census records in Oberwart, Hungary #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

The 1828 property census listed the names of heads of household of tenant farmers, craftsmen, merchants, etc. (I think basically one name per dwelling.) None of the names in Felsőőr (Felső-Eőr) are marked as Jewish:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK8-N7PN-3?i=551&cat=231564
(Film # 008144508 images 552 to 559)

FamilySearch also has materials from mid-18th century attempts at enumerating all the Jews in the kingdom: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/395728
It's supposedly in order by county name (in Latin), but I found T before S, and then something labeled Békés (which isn't even supposed to be included). I don't know if there's an index available anywhere. (Even just by place would help.)

The Roman Catholic diocese in Eisenstadt has joined the (fee-based) online records bandwagon, but they have not yet gotten to Oberwart: https://matriken.at/node/24

Julia
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Phil Goldfarb
 

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Re: surname Morpurgo #names

ns_eyholla@...
 

Rachel Morpurgo

An Italian Hebrew poet, the first woman in the renaissance of Hebrew poetry and literature that began at the end of the eighteenth century. Born Rachel Luzzatto, in 1790 into the famous rabbinic and literary family in Trieste. Her cousin was Shmuel David Luzzatto – Shadal. Her husband was Jacob Morpurgo, an Austrian-Jewish, merchant, so we can see that the name Morpurgo came from the German speaking area.

More information about Rachel Morpurgo is here: https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/morpurgo-rachel

Eyal Hollander,
Israel
Re: SELIG, and WOLFF/ BLUMENTHAL #germany

Andreas Schwab
 

Do you have Benno's death record? I t would mention his birth place. Use the following form to obtain the death record. 
https://www.marchivum.de/sites/default/files/2019-07/Antragsformular_Historische_Personenrecherche.pdf
Send it to marchivum@...
For more details visit
https://www.marchivum.de/sites/default/files/2019-07/Folder_Historische%20Personenrecherche.pdf
You can also contact the archivists:
Doreen Kelimes

Tel: +49 (0)621 / 293 - 7724
doreen.kelimes@...

Désirée Spuhler
Tel: +49 (0)621 / 293 - 7731
desiree.spuhler@...

Andreas Schwab
Gesher Galicia: Interview of Renowned Historian and Author Omer Bartov #poland #ukraine #holocaust #galicia #announcements

Steven Turner
 

Dear Friends,
Gesher Galicia is thrilled to offer for our members a new entry in our webinar series, a conversation between the noted author Omer Bartov and our President, Steven Turner. Any person interested in the history of Galicia and the wars promulgated on those lands will not want to miss this presentation. There was so much material to cover that we have broken up the interview into two segments:
Part 1 - Erased and World War I
Part 2 - WW II and the Holocaust

Omer Bartov has been the John P. Birkelund Distinguished Professor of European History at Brown University since 2000 and chaired the Department of History in 2009-2012. Bartov has won numerous distinguished fellowships from such institutions as the Israel Institute for Advanced Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. His book, Anatomy of a Genocide: The Life and Death of a Town Called Buczacz, which won the 2018 National Jewish Book and the Yad Vashem International Book Prize for Holocaust Research. Some of Bartov's other books include Erased: Vanishing Traces of Jewish Galicia in Present-Day Ukraine (2007), and Voices on War and Genocide: Three Accounts of the World Wars in a Galician Town (2020).

Steven Turner's bio can be found here.
This presentation is recorded and on our Members Portal for members to view at their convenience.

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Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

" I sent a request to support@... asking what steps I should take to go about correcting the spelling of the names of my grandparents in the Vienna Marriages database."

Your first problem is that spelling wasn't 'correct' or 'wrong'. Clerks wrote what they heard. Sometimes they wrote the same thing differently if a name occurred in a record twice.

The second problem is that records say what they say. This is not Geni or a Wiki where everybody fixes things; the records are the records. If they are wrong, they are wrong.

You might want to quote the record in your family tree and point out other records which conflict with the information.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

rebasolomon
 

I’m looking for an online website that will host my trees for free. I want others to be able to view and use my data and sources, but not to change them.  I want my work to remain intact after I’m gone.

I’d like your opinion of settling on FamilySearch.org, using the above criteria. I’ve already considered JewishGen, Genie, Ancestry and self-publishing. I can export my work from Legacy into a gedcom file. 
Thanks in advance for your opinions. 

Reba Harris Solomon, New York

CHARAS-Tyrawa Woloska, Poland
ZALCMAN, SOLOMON-Nasielsk, Poland
METZGER, KESSELMAN-Ustrzykie Dolne, Poland-Nove Misto, Ukraine - Mostyska, Ukraine
SHRINER-Volochysk, Ukraine
LESANSKI-Berdychiv, Ukraine
Re: Reminder October 2,2020 is When New Obscene USCIS Fees Begin--Now is Time to Order Any Records Before Then #announcements #usa #records

Teewinot
 

Just a reminder that you can always file a FOIA request for an "A-File",
which includes all the papers your ancestor filled out when coming to
the U.S. and their naturalization papers. It's quicker if you have have
the Alien Registration Number, but it's not necessary. You get 2 hours
of research and 100 pages of records for free. Signing the request
means you agree to pay up to $25.00 for time or copies over the free
amount. If it costs more, they'll contact you. I doubt it would.
Everyone is probably going to start doing this once the fees go up. The
government may then change these rules. Who knows?

To get started, go here:

https://www.uscis.gov/records/request-records-through-the-freedom-of-information-act-or-privacy-act

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno,
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)


On 8/25/2020 9:39 PM, Jan Meisels Allen wrote:
*This is a reminder that the fees for all records including genealogy
requests through the USCIS are going up on October 2, 2020. If you are
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Re: surname Morpurgo #names

Alex Woodle
 

The old Jewish cemetery in Split had a number of Morpugo inscribed tombstones. Many of the Jews in Split stayed behind when Nazis came and perished. Others fled to Italy, some survived, but others were not so lucky. I have some photos of the Morpugo stones. Reply to me if you wish to have copies.

Alex Woodle
Groton, MA
Re: Given name Matus #belarus #lithuania #names #general

Judith Singer
 

Matus is a nickname for Matitayahu (which can be spelled several different ways). It is not the same name as Moshe.
Judith Singer
Re: Goodman family in Montreal #canada

Beth Erez
 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM, Peter Bush wrote:
Searching for possible relatives in Montreal.
From 1911 census
Isaac Goodman, a grocer, born approx 1865 in Russia
2nd wife Jennie formerly Endenzweig/Cohen born approx 1874 in Russia, lived in London,UK prior to her arrival in Canada.
Children Abraham, Jacob, Hyman, Samuel and Fanny born between 1890-1901
Do these names ring any bells?
Thanks, 
Peter Bush
plbush1@...
Yes, I do know some Goodman family in Montreal.  I will send your note to one of them and see what they say.
Beth
Re: Graves in Belz, Ukraine, Jewish cemetery? #rabbinic #ukraine #records

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

Several people have written to me about the song "Mein Shtetele Belz," so I am replying publicly about that. I know that song well and love it too. However, although it has come to be associated with "my" Belz, the one in Galicia/Poland/Ukraine, it was apparently originally not written about that town at all, but about Beltz, now called Balti, in Bessarabia/Moldova.

My question remains: Does anyone know of any documentation of the graves in the Belz (Ukraine) Jewish cemetery, other than the famous rabbis' graves? 

All the best,
Miriam BULWAR DAVID-HAY,
Raanana, Israel.
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