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Re: Goodman family in Montreal #canada

loren r grossman
 

Hi, Peter,

My husband, Paul S Levine, grew up in Montreal and is a cousin of the Goodmans in Montreal. Nancy Goodman Perelmuter is a cousin of my late father-in-law, Gerald (Fischel) Geffin. Nancy's mother was Fanny Phillips Goodman, 1886-1941. Check out  the  Baron de Hirsch - de la Savane Cemetery in Montreal (http://barondehirsch.com/). While we have not seen Nancy in a few years, I believe that she may still be alive, dividing her time between her home in Chicago, and her sons in Santa Monica California and New York; Nancy's husband Hy was a rabbi, as are her two sons, Michael and Mayer. 

(Ms.) Loren R Grossman
Venice California
lrg@...


Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

I object to one word used by Mr. Cherson in his original message to the list. The word is ancestry. Pissaro's ancestry regarding both parents was no doubt Jewish and not Danish, French or whatever. Where he studied, worked or identified himself with, is a different issue. An imaginary plan what to do with his masterpiece is left more so to greedy lawyers than to anybody else, including the legal heirs.

 

Prof. Isak Gath MD, DIC, DSc (Elect.Eng)

Faculty of Biomedical Engineering             Tel. Office #972-4-8294115

Technion Israel Institute of Technology             Home #972-4-9835704

32000 Haifa, Israel

 


Re: Sons in law's names Abramchik Yossel and Itzik Yossel. #names

Molly Staub
 

I believe "chik" is a suffix added to a name meaning "dear". My husband's grandmother called her husband Avrumchik, but all his records are for Avram.
Molly Arost Staub (former English teacher)


David S. Rose #usa

Carol Jaffe
 

It's been some time since I tried finding my maternal grandfather's brother and got nowhere.  His name was David S ROSE born to Simon & Fannie/Fruma ROSE, in either Germany or Russia.  David was born in December 1876 and I have no idea when he died.  He had a sister Rose ROSE LAVINE 1867-1942 and a brother Harry Benjamin ROSE (my grandfather) 1871-1943.  David married Lillian Bordach January 18, 1917 in New York.
I do know he lived at one time in Rochester, NY as he and Harry had a men's store together.  His parents and sister and her family are all buried in Rochester.  Harry and his first wife are buried in Mt Carmel Cemetery, Queens, NY.  David and Harry were also in business together in Brooklyn, NY early part of 20th century and he also lived with Harry's family for awhile.
After his marriage he seemed to have disappeared, there is nothing past 1917. I'd like to know if he and his wife had children and where they are buried.  
Thanks in advance for any help,
Carol M Jaffe, Clearwater, FL


Re: List of Victims of Belzec #poland

Rainer Borsdorf
 

Hello,

for me it's not so clear what Zev is really searching for. Perhaps this helps better:

https://www.bundesarchiv.de/gedenkbuch/directory.html.en?result#frmResults

And sorry, I mixed up Belzec and Belzyce.

Regards,
Rainer


Re: legal name change in New York. #general

Sherri Bobish
 


Beulah,

Have you seen this record?

I wonder if his parents changed his name at birth, or if Abraham  had his birth certificate amended later in life?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
New York, New York, Index to Birth Certificates, 1866-1909
Name: Abram Lincoln Epworth
Gender : Male
Race : White
Birth Date: 21 Dec 1903
Birth Place: New York City, New York, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 2633
Father: Jacob Epstein
Mother: Lizy Epstein
Mother Maiden Name: Wexler


Re: Looking for my family in Lowicz Piontek Sobota #poland

Smadar Gilboa
 

Dear Yoel,
JRI-Poland new index for Lowicz goes to 1912, and includes a number of earlier years that were missing from our online index,
Please email me for  more information,
Smadar Gilboa,
Lowicz Town Leader
JRI-Poland


Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

Michael McTeer <mcteer@...>
 

Sorry, I do not have an option to offer, BUT I do not believe FamilySearch.org is  NOT a choice option. Once posted you really lose control even to delete. Believe the basic rule is that if another user makes a change or post a records link that record becomes not eligible for deletion. FamilySearch.org is great for seeking records though and should be used for research though they had added so-called "public records" (USA) which needless adds too many 'records' to a search. Michael McTeer, Crowley, Texas


Re: List of Victims of Belzec #poland

NTalbot
 

Hello,
What help is there for finding further information of names of Jews brought to Belzec?
Regards,
Nina t.


OLD FAMILY TREE #general

Jerry2000K@...
 

My family had an old Family Tree For the name of Kleinman, It had numbers and letters that I don't know where they came from can anyone explain them and were came from :
 
18.2A,  40-8g,  9/77,  
Jerry Kleinman
Jerry2000K@...


Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Peter Cherna
 

The digital records for the Vienna Marriages database are deemed correct when they match the specific source documents from which that database was derived.

If you have different, also valid documents that are more accurate, you can use those corrected spellings wherever you see fit, but they are not a valid source for correcting the JewishGen databases. You message, and your reply, leave some uncertainty between two very different cases:
  • The digital representation of the records in the database do not match the documents from which they were directly transcribed (where a correction is warranted)
  • The digital representation of the records in the database do no match other genealogical information you may have obtained elsewhere (where a correction would be wrong)

The job of the JewishGen databases is not to show the "best" information (whatever that means!), but to be as precise a digital representation of their one specific source.

Peter


Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Shelley Mitchell
 

This problem of information is very interesting. I just designed a matzevah for my mother’s sister. For my grandmother’s name I started using the name on all of her paperwork which showed Beyla Pesia. My cousin reminded me that our grandmother always said her name was Pesia Beyla. That name would be consistent with Jewish tradition because the first baby’s name was Beyla. Tradition would have the second name in the front as a first name. In this case, the headstone will now say Pesia Beyla. No need to change paperwork. 

Shelley Mitchell 


Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

JPmiaou@...
 

Archiving your file in the Genealogies section of FamilySearch is a good option, I think: your work will be freely searchable and available, with no ads or paywalls, but nobody will be able to change anything. (Not even you, except by deleting the file and uploading a new one.)

The only drawback I can see is the general confusion that's prevalent about what FamilySearch really is or what it does. There are people out there who apparently honestly believe that Historical Records on FS is a different entity than the Family Tree on FS; they create different logins for the two, and are surprised when they use the wrong login and can't see themselves in Tree. The other extreme also occurs: many people discount everything FamilySearch -- even images of historical records -- because of errors they've encountered on the Tree or in indexes. There is also widespread ignorance of the collaborative nature of FS's tree, and the separateness of the Genealogies section, and lots of misinformation about how all this relates to the LDS church or to for-profit organizations like Ancestry.

It has been a few years since I used FS's upload, so I don't know if this still applies, but you should make sure _not_ to procede to the "import into Tree" part of the upload process. It's ancient code, badly broken and badly presented; I hope they've gotten rid of it, but things like this move Verrry Slowwwly at FS. (As I recall, the process made it much too easy to accidentally create duplicate profiles and/or override years of research with a single unintentional click; it didn't show everything I needed to make sane judgements, and was misleading about what my actions would actually do.)

Julia
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Family Tree Recommendations #general

David Lerer
 

Any recommendation for a family tree application? I do understand that MyHeritage is linked with JewishGen. Has it been a good experience with MyHeritage? Or any other software? Thanks, David.


Re: Birth/marriage/census records in Oberwart, Hungary #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

Another possibly-useful FamilySearch catalog page:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/633984
Feudáliskori összeírások, 1714-1848 ("Feudal-age censuses")

It looks like Felsőőr was written up in 1835; it starts toward the end of one film:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6C-VVLT?i=614&cat=633984

and ends at the beginning of the next film:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6C-3DRR?i=28&cat=633984

Juli
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Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Adam Cherson
 

I thank Prof. Gath for the additional information regarding Pissaro's ancestry, which is a fascinating twist to the story (this seems like an interesting novel for those who are interested: https://repeatingislands.com/2015/09/14/the-marriage-of-opposites-who-was-rachel-pissarro-camilles-mother/). I would not say it is legally 'wrong' to identify Camille Pissarro as Danish-French. He was born in the Danish colony of St. Thomas to a mother who was from a family of French Jews and a father who was from a family of French Jews of Portuguese extraction. Pissarro's father was a prominent merchant on the island of St. Thomas, whose island economy provided much of Pissarro's wherewithal throughout his life. Pissarro studied painting in France, his paintings executed mostly in France, are predominantly of French landscapes and French urban scenes (with some other Northern European scenes as well), and he married and had children in France with a French-Catholic woman. So perhaps a more accurate description would be to say that Pissarro was a French Jew born on Danish territory (of Sephardic descent on his father's side, not sure of his mother's). I do not know whether St. Thomas or Israel or France or somewhere else would be the most justified place for this painting to be exhibited, but it would seem that Madrid isn't of much relevance to the story, unless one considers the Spanish and later Portuguese expulsions to have initiated the chain of events which eventually lead to St. Thomas, which would be of course the most ironic ending of all: a museum in the place that expelled Pissarro's ancestors now owning the painting, which in turn could be a good thing if it were used to show the error and harm of Spain's arbitrary ethnic cleansing of Jews 500 years ago. I personally would like to see the tiny Caribbean island which fomented Camille Pissarro's artistic output get the credit for at least one of his roughly 1,600 works. I also think it makes sense for his works to be on exhibit in France, the Dominican Republic (mother's family), Israel, Portugal, and yes even in Spain. Camille Pissarro was a product of all these places, and probably more. I am reading that Pissarro was also an anarchist politically (which is not to be confused with someone who advocates for what we think of today as anarchy). Is there a museum somewhere for anarchist painters I wonder :-)

Adam Cherson


Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Selma Sheridan
 

Dear JewishGen researchers,
Re my question of 25 August: I would never request database corrections without having copies of original documents.  Whom could I contact about this?  
With many thanks,
Selma Sheridan
Oswego NY


Re: Hungarian Jewish BMD records #records #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

There hasn't been a change, except in the website's behavior re: logging in. Check the top right corner of your window and log in. The microfilm reels should all change to cameras.

Julia
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Re: Birth/marriage/census records in Oberwart, Hungary #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

The 1828 property census listed the names of heads of household of tenant farmers, craftsmen, merchants, etc. (I think basically one name per dwelling.) None of the names in Felsőőr (Felső-Eőr) are marked as Jewish:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK8-N7PN-3?i=551&cat=231564
(Film # 008144508 images 552 to 559)

FamilySearch also has materials from mid-18th century attempts at enumerating all the Jews in the kingdom: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/395728
It's supposedly in order by county name (in Latin), but I found T before S, and then something labeled Békés (which isn't even supposed to be included). I don't know if there's an index available anywhere. (Even just by place would help.)

The Roman Catholic diocese in Eisenstadt has joined the (fee-based) online records bandwagon, but they have not yet gotten to Oberwart: https://matriken.at/node/24

Julia
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Phil Goldfarb
 

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