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Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"JewishGen records do not exist in and of themselves, for no reason except documentation. JewishGen records exist to aid people searching for ancestral family, and as such, should, as far as possible, provide help to share knowledge which will allow other people finding records to make connections they might not otherwise have been able to make."

The records are what they are. We can not expect to 'fix' records more than 100 years ago.  I just found a record for Shayna Leah Ruslander Stolowski's death, as Shayna Leah Vertcikovski Stolowski. Rather than wanting to 'fix' this to what you expect, I find it a link to the origin of the Ruslanders, before they went to the Kingdom of Poland and were known as 'Russian'. Shayna Leah was born in 1835, about the time the family went to Polish Russia. What if somebody changed it, so I wouldn't have that information.

That reminds me of a woman in the LDS library where I worked, who had ordered Swedish birth records. She was surprised that they weren't in English!

If you want to share your knowledge with others, perhaps you should put your tree on FTJP, with the 'correct' information. Otherwise, everything will turn into Geni, where people can 'correct' other peoples trees with incorrect information.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Re: OLD FAMILY TREE #general

peggyfreedman@...
 

Before computers helped us organize our genealogical information, there were a variety of numbering systems. I have a couple of old articles in my files from those days. 

But, since we live in the age of information technology, I looked on the internet and found this Wikipedia article on genealogical numbering systems.  Perhaps it will help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_numbering_systems

Note that there were many different methods.  You will have to figure out which one your tree uses.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, GA
Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

rebasolomon
 

I will look into this. I have contributed to Yad Vashem but did not know they archived genealogies. Thank you. 

Reba Harris Solomon
Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

rebasolomon
 

Thank you as I had not looked into Wikitree. Now at first look it seems to be a collaborative tree, like Genie and I’m looking more for a searchable archive that will remain intact. 

Reba Harris Solomon
Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Todd Warnick
 

It's like buying fenced properly. This is a scandalous decision. 
Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

Ellen
 

What is Wikitree?  I've come across once or twice but wasn't really sure what it is and how it works.

I am also interested in the question originally posted.  I've done so much research over the years and would hate for all of it to be lost after I'm gone.  I don't have children to pass it on to, but my cousins and (more likely) their children and grandchildren may be interested in the future.

Ellen
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Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)
Re: Shlomo Boruch Tennenbaum #slovakia #austria-czech #rabbinic

paveanyu@...
 

Hello, Mr.Moishe  Tannenbaum,                            27th August 2020

I wonder, may I politely ask,  did you read Dr Neil Rosenstein's  "  The Unbroken Chain --THIRD EDITION--chapter nine--page 722--725  ?

I wonder, if you are connected to the Tannebaum Family--from Szendro--my grandmother /Grunwald/Grunfeld was born there--or for that matter;Erdobenye, Putnok Tallya, Edeleny etc.we might have some joint ancestors around 1800?

Best wishes
Veronika-Mindle Malka - Pachtinger--London UK
Social History Ternopil 1870-1880s #galicia

Deborah HOLMAN
 

I am looking for some resources to help me understand what my great-grandfather's life as a young man might have been like in 1870-1880s Tarnopol. He was born in 1875 to Rachmiel LICHTENTHAL, a dealer of leather, and left Tarnopol around 1890 to make a living in the hat-making industry. He eventually settled in Vienna, Austria.  Due to COVID limiting access to libraries, I'd appreciate online resources.

Thank you,
Deborah Holman
Hamden, CT USA
Re: ViewMate - Hebrew handwriting interpretation request #belarus #yizkorbooks #holocaust

Dubin, David M. MD
 

A few things:
1- the image is upside-down
2- the black areas look like tape that covers many parts of names. A better image is needed.

Upper left section with image right-side up
Itzik                 Auschklar
?                     Politschuk
Buchlinich?     Gessek
?                     Duker
                       Kagan

Upper left section
B__nstein        Lipik
Abrovitsch?      Gutman
Ken_nst_n        Schusterman
Milstein (three?)   Weissbrod
                           Roth___

Lower right section
Sobetzky (maybe corresponds to Sawicki on your list)
Pardes
Plaskovsky
Ins___
(second column illegible to me)

Lower left section
...ovich
?
...eshek
...stein

Good luck
Re: legal name change in New York. #general

James
 

Why not check the city directories? Assume he changed it a year before the directory was printed.
Re: Graves in Belz, Ukraine, Jewish cemetery? #rabbinic #ukraine #records

Shlomo Katz
 

I have a (Hebrew) book called "Tel Talpiot: Ha'Ir Belz B'Tifartah" which has a list of 35 tombstones in the Belz cemetery.

Feel free to email me privately with the names you are interested in.

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring, Maryland
FRIEDER/SPALTER (Belz)
Re: Town name, Ukraine #ukraine #records

David Barrett
 

The city is now called DNIPRO [ Ukraine] originally called Ekaterinoslav [ google]
regards
Re: Town name, Ukraine #ukraine #records

Jana.Tegel@...
 

Elusavetgrag in the documents ist now Kirovograg/ Kirovohrad.

That is what I can see.
Danzig Jewry 1840-1943 #poland

oodrual@...
 

Is it possible to get online access to the english version of:
 

Danzig Jewry 1840-1943:
Integration, Struggle, Rescue
(Gdańsk, Poland)

 

by Logan Kowaks

Ron Peeters

Ulvenhout (NL)
Re: legal name change in New York. #general

Kenneth Ryesky
 

For whatever it might be worth:

 

More than 10 years ago, while doing scholarly research (more like archaeological digging) on some statutory history in the Queens County Courthouse Law Library, I chanced to access an oldy moldy volume of the Laws of New York.  It seems that in those days  (at least 1889 through 1905, with an apparent hiatus for years 1895 to 1897) the annual Laws of New York books indexed name changes granted by the courts.

Example:  For 1902, the list of name changes was on pages 805 - 1826; for 1903, pp. 1459 - 1479; for 1904, pp. 1949 - 1965; for 1905, pp. 2152 - 2176; for 1905, pp. 2152 - 2176; for 1906, pp. 1904 - 1926; and for 1907, pp. 2512 - 2540.  The indices list separate entries for from and to name changes, all in alphabetical order.

Further research archaeological digging disclosed that the General Index to the Laws of the State of New York 1902 - 1907 (Albany, J. B. Lyon Co., 1908) combines the listings for the years 1902 - 1907 (pages 468 - 570).  This tome is on the Internet Archive <https://archive.org/stream/generalindextol00baxtgoog>.

I found the information I had initially sought to research, and the name-change project was relegated to the lower levels of my "to-do" list.  Life subsequently intervened (including our Aliyah to Israel, the discontinuance of my college teaching gig, and the winding down of my solo law practice).  I do not know to what extent the indices have been transcribed.



-- Ken Ryesky
Petach Tikva, Israel

 

 

 


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Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...
Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Helen Gardner
 

In addition to my reply to Sally (and Daniella) just sent, I would add to Peter Cherna that the JewishGen records do not exist in and of themselves, for no reason except documentation. JewishGen records exist to aid people searching for ancestral family, and as such, should, as far as possible, provide help to share knowledge which will allow other people finding records to make connections they might not otherwise have been able to make.

 

Helen Gardner


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Helen Gardner

ancestral names, all from Poland, mostly Warsaw

AJGENGOLD/EIGENGOLD, BERCHOJER, BLANK, BIALOGORA, BLUMBERG, CHMIELNICKI, FELD, FERNEBOK/FERNSBUN, EDELMAN, FRYDMAN, GELDTRUNK, GURIN, ISSAKOWICH, LAKS, LERMAN, MALIS, MENDER/MONDER, MLYNARZ/MILLER, PODGORER/PODGORSKI, POPOWER, RAUTARBER/ROTGERBERG, RASTENBERG, POSSIBLY PRESSEIZEN
New surname search tools on Steve Morse web site #names #sephardic #austria-czech #france

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
 

Hi,

 

It is often necessary to check the existence and spelling of Jewish surnames from various geographic origins. For this purpose, Steve Morse created a one-step web tool to search a name among several reference dictionaries of Jewish surnames. Two significant extensions were recently made:

 

The search tool for Ashkenazi reference books located at

https://stevemorse.org/phonetics/beider.php

now includes some 1,100 surnames published in Alexander Beider’s 1994 book, Jewish Surnames in Prague (15th-18th centuries), now out of print.

 

An entirely new search tool for Sephardic reference books is available at

https://stevemorse.org/phonetics/faig.php

It searches surnames from any of the four following dictionaries:

  1. Dicionário Sefaradi de Sobrenomes, Guilherme Faiguenboim, Paulo Valadares, and Anna Rosa Campagnano (Rio de Janeiro 2003), around 16,600 surname entries.
  2. Judíos de Toledo, 2 vols., Pilar León Tello (Madrid 1979), about 1,000 surname entries.
  3. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from Maghreb, Gibraltar, and Malta, Alexandre Beider (2017). Approximately 10,840 surname entries.
  4. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from Italy, France, and Portuguese Communities, Alexander Beider (2019), around 9,740 surname entries.

 

The tools can search the names either exactly, by Daitch-Mokotoff soundex or according to language-dependent Beider Morse Phonetic Matching (BMPM).

 

Both tools can also be accessed from Steve Morse root page (https://stevemorse.org) under the Phonetic Matching section.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Stroweis

Jerusalem, Israel

 

 


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Jean-Pierre Stroweis
Jerusalem
Re: Lithuania / Russia city called "Mempsi #russia #lithuania

Jill Whitehead
 

Kurdikos Naumestis was part of Suwalki Gubernia in NE Poland during much of the 19th century. It went into Lithuania in 1919 as part of the WW2 Peace Settlement. It was on the border with what was Konigsberg, and is now Kaliningrad, and was also known as Neustadt Werwindt in German - it was part of New East Prussia in late 18th and early 19th century.It was known for its rabbinical seminary. Rabbi Salis Daiches, a well known between- the- wars 20th century Scottish rabbi in Edinburgh, and known as the "Chief Rabbi" of Scotland, came from there. 

Jill Whiteehad, Surrey, UK
Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Helen Gardner
 

The philosophy “If it’s wrong, it’s wrong” can mean that some researcher never discovers the missing link to their blank wall.

 

To use an actual example from my family, my ggrandmother’s record gives her maiden name as Prefseizen but every other record indicates it is Presseizen (and that’s easy enough to understand given old German script). There’s one Prefseizen record, but a large family of Presseizens.  I would never have been able to follow the family through if someone hadn’t pointed it out to me. And someone searching for Presseizen may never find me via my ggrandmother. It’s not good enough if one person knows a record is wrong but the knowledge is not shared.

 

The issue of whether or not to correct records leads me to wonder whether in NextGen any thought has been given to a “comments” field, where one could say, eg, This record says Bloggowitz but every other record I have found for this person and their family indicates that it is Blinkowitz . 

Or

The record gives the date of birth as 1851 with no further details, but I have found the original birth record, which gives the dob as 15 Jun 1851 (or 1852 or 1854 …) which may help someone to slot some person into their tree or otherwise solve some mystery without having to actually change the record.

 

Regards

Helen Gardner

 


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Helen Gardner

ancestral names, all from Poland, mostly Warsaw

AJGENGOLD/EIGENGOLD, BERCHOJER, BLANK, BIALOGORA, BLUMBERG, CHMIELNICKI, FELD, FERNEBOK/FERNSBUN, EDELMAN, FRYDMAN, GELDTRUNK, GURIN, ISSAKOWICH, LAKS, LERMAN, MALIS, MENDER/MONDER, MLYNARZ/MILLER, PODGORER/PODGORSKI, POPOWER, RAUTARBER/ROTGERBERG, RASTENBERG, POSSIBLY PRESSEIZEN
Re: legal name change in New York. #general

ewkent@...
 

I can't speak to all cases of amended birth certificates in New York City (and I've never been a lawyer), but I know the case of my paternal grandfather (even though I forget some of the details of what I saw).

He officially changed his name in the 1940s; I was told (when I was growing up -- probably in the 1960s) that the change was done to make life (specifically college admissions) easier for his sons (born in the early 1930s) -- so perhaps "antisemitism" was a factor; on the other hand, I don't think that he (who was a prosperous accountant when he got his legal name change) was in any more danger (in New York City -- or in the United States in general) in the 1940s than his 2 older brothers (both of whom had immigrated to the US as children; 1 older brother had already died, and his younger siblings were all women who changed their family name upon marriage) who were also still alive in 1940 -- and who kept their family name.

His original birth certificate (he was born in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn in early 1906 -- the first member of his household born in the US) had his name as "Joseph Kantor" -- with his date and place of birth (I think also the names of his parents as they were reported at the time) -- as it was written in 1906 ; when I saw the certificate on microfilm at the New York City Municipal Archives (a few years ago), I was pleased (but a bit surprised (and I think more than 1 Archives worker was surprised) to see (I believe) stamped notations indicating that his name was legally changed to "Jay Joseph Kantor" (early censuses give his name as "Jacob"; perhaps his "Hebrew name" was Yaakov Yosef (?) ) in 1940 -- but that the NY City Health Department amended his name as of a much later date (after World War II; I think about 1949 (my father has an Ancestry.com record concerning his Social Security Administration records stating that he was still named "Kantor" in June of 1948).

(I have confirmed -- via Newspapers.com -- that an official legal notice concerning the name change (by a court in Brooklyn, as I recall) to "Jay Joseph Kent" was published in the Brooklyn Eagle in July of 1940; I'm not totally sure why my grandfather seemingly didn't (seemingly) make public use of the name change for years -- although I believe that he became estranged from and then divorced from my grandmother before he publicly used his new name (and definitely was still married to her in 1940).

(By 1949, 1 of his sons -- I think -- was already at college; his other 2 sons (my father and his twin brother) were still in high school; I don't think that danger from "antisemitism" in either New York City or the US in general (he may have already traveled and bought property in New Hampshire) had *increased* from 1940.) )

So: I can say with confidence that legal name changes could result in New York City government amending birth certificates (not changing what was originally written, but including a statement concerning the changed name) to reflect the name change selected.

Sincerely,

Ethan W. Kent in New York City
(researching my Grandpa Joe's Kantors (I pretty-much know the identifies of all the few Kents who resulted from the name change) -- as well as the 3 other main branches of my family tree (immigrant heads of household with last names of Paat/Pat/Patt/Pate (and possibly a non-permanent arrival record for the father in 1888 as "Pott"), Gelperin/Halperin, and Kornhauser.)
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