Re: Family Tree Recommendations #general


I must add that Geni is free but only if you don't do searches. I was found by a cousin that I didn't know existed who could do research on Geni because he pays. Geni to my understanding is also owned by 'myheritage'.

Rafael Manory

Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names


I am also named Yitzhak Aizic and that is how I am called up to the Torah. But I believe that Bob Malakoff simplified his explanation. On my birth certificate in latin letters I am listed as Aizic (Romanian spelling) but in the USA for instance when you pronounce the name it sounds like the non Jewish Biblical translation of the name Isaac, bottom line not always does it mean that it is the "Yiddish," translation we will probably never know how, why and who started this double-barrel name.
But maybe the discussion should be more on the history and reasoning of Jewish double barrel names. I'll just give a few in order not to bore you. Ephraim Fishel
Originated in Goshen, Egypt when Ya'acov blessed his grandson Ephraim that his descendents would increase like the fish in the ocean. Another double barrel name taken from our Bible, Yisaschar  Bear. Yisaschar one of the sons of Ya'acov and a tribe is named had a donkey on its emblem. (again due to the blessing of Ya'akov which he gave to his son. Now somewhere along the ages our ancestors decided that they did not want to make an "ass," of themselves by calling their son also "donkey," so they chose Bear which was an animal strong like a donkey.
Lat but not least Kalman Klonymous. Klonymous is a name taken from the Greek period (Like all those called Alexander)  The meaning of the name Klonymous is  a "good name," or in Hebrew "Shem Tov" How did Klonymous get to Kalman I really don't know. My guess is that our forefathers found it difficult to pronounce Klonymous (without having to go to a dentist afterwards) so they found an easier way to pronounce that name.  Wishing y'all  good health during this crazy Pandemic.   
Aizic Sechter
Lone Magen David Star State of Israel

Looking for Barron family from Dusiat #lithuania

Deena Moss

I have been looking for ISRAEL or YITZCHAK  BARRON ,my gggrandfather, for a very long time and have not been able to find him. I never met any of my grandfathers  Morris M Barron's family and my father said nothing about him or his past., but repeated things like "So what's in a name"? and Pinsk, Minsk?  Grandfather's birth dates were different on each census. One clue was my grandfather's marriage certificate, stating his father was Isreal. , On his grave he is Menachem MENDEL. The second clue was the social security application form state his parent's names  L. BUNIM and Chiam Miriam. In looking at the Jewishgen site from Dusiat I see all those names mentioned. Can someone please help me figure it out and find my BARRON family? I would be so thrilled.
Deena Barron Moss

U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Herbert Lazerow

    Kae Haas is correct that the Portrait of Wally case is similar in some ways. One of the lessons of law school is that no matter how complex a case seems when you first examine it, it is always much more complicated when you have carefully researched both the facts and the law. There were several important differences between Portrait of Wally and Rue St Honore.
    One is the plaintiff. In Rue St. Honore, plaintiff was the heir of the owner.  In Portait of Wally, plaintiff was the United States.  Why was the U.S. suing?  The National Stolen Property Act provides that stolen property knowingly imported into the U.S. may be civilly forfeited to the U.S. It is the custom of the U.S. (though not required by law) to return stolen property to the owner from whom it was stolen. That is one piece of good news. A second is that the true owner does not need to pay the legal expenses; they are paid by the U.S. A third is that the defendant may perceive that there may be collateral consequences to failing to “do the right thing”. The bad news is that the owner does not control the lawsuit.  The Department of Justice does.  It may decide to settle the case on terms that are not satisfactory to the owner. That did not happen in this case.
    A second difference is the defendant. In Rue St Honore, defendant made a credible case that it was a good faith purchaser. Defendant in Portrait of Wally could not make that case. Defendant was an organ of the Austrian government. At the end of the war, the Allies confiscated Wally from the Nazi who had stolen it. It was mistakenly delivered to the Belvedere.  A Dr. Leopold, who knew that Wally had been stolen from Lea Bondi Jaray, promised to help her recover the painting, but instead bought Wally from the Belvedere. Wally thus became part of the collection that was “sold” in the 1990s to the Leopold Museum, of which Dr. Leopold was the director. While the museum argued that both it and Dr. Leopold were good faith purchasers, Judge (later Attorney General) Mukassey properly gave that argument little credence in their motion for summary judgment.
    In fact, there was never a final decision in Portrait of Wally. Ten years of discovery ensued where the parties tried to sort out all the facts related to the case. Both sides moved again for summary judgment, which Judge Preska, who inherited the case, denied, as she believed that there were unresolved issues of fact. As Ms. Haas related, the Austrian government then settled. It paid the heirs $19 million, and agreed to post the described label near Wally. The U.S. agreed to dismiss its suit. The Austrian government had reportedly incurred $4 million in legal fees, and was facing more if the case went to trial, and still more if an appeal followed the trial. In the meanwhile, the Altmann case had resulted in Austria’s loss of important paintings by Gustave Klimt that had been star attractions in Vienna. Its primary concern was keeping Portrait of Wally in Austria.
    Dr. Leopold had died during the intervening years. His son, who was on the board of trustees of the Leopold Museum, said that his father had asked the Austrian government to offer a settlement of $2 million at the time the painting was seized in New York, but the Austrian government had refused to offer that settlement.
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
Author: Mastering Art Law (Carolina Academic Press, 2d ed. 2020)

ViewMate Posting: Translation of Ukrainie marriage record (Russian) #translation #russia #ukraine

Roy Ogus

Can anyone translate this Kiev marriage record for me?
The ViewMate image can be found at:

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application (or to me personally by e-mail).

Thanks for your input!

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California
r_ogus at

Re: Marienthal...what is it? #general

Penelope Cumler <penelope.cumler@...>

There would be tons of these as a place name as "thal" or today tal is the word in German for valley and many were named after Maria,

Penelope Cumler

Re: New York City 1940's Street a View Old City Tax Photos #announcements #general #photographs #usa

Sheldon Clare

Thank you Jan! I saw my street, Seabury Place in The Bronx.
Sheldon Clare

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 6:42 PM Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> wrote:
You asked people to download photos for you. This is not something anyone can download  for you.
You have to order the photos or view those on the site. As my posting stated, there are hundreds of  thousands of photos. You have to go the website 
or if you want to order and pay for specific photos then you need to fill out the form at:
Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

ViewMate translation- Russian for my Ejdenbaum family of Rajgrod #russia #translation


Subj: ViewMate translation request - Russian


I've posted a  2 vital record in Russian for which I need a translation for my Ejdenbaum family. They are on ViewMate at the following address ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Ann Adenbaum
Tarrytown, NY

Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records

Peter Cherna

Dear Selma,

I appreciate your conundrum, and understand your desire here. That said, if the JewishGen database entries match the source documents from which they are based (e.g. birth registers), but your original family documents do not match that, then whether you personally agree or not, no correction would be possible, nor would it be appropriate. There are extremely solid reasons for this that are widely held by professional archivists and others whose job it is to make historical records available.

I'm sorry you don't seem to agree, but such opinions do not really come into play for JewishGen or any other repository of historical records, whose primary job is to make accessible accurate copies of those records. (It might be interesting for JewishGen to allow tagging and commentary alongside individual entries, but that is a significant challenge to implement, and would be absolutely daunting to administer.)

The challenge and puzzle and delight of genealogy is to stitch some kind of "whole" from primary and other sources that don't always perfectly accord. If your goal is to have a public dataset that reflects your own reconciliation of those sources, then there are lots of places, including publishing your own tree on MyHeritage, or even on the JewishGen-hosted FamilyTree of the Jewish People. If your goal is to deem your reconciliation the one true representation of those families, then perhaps WikiTree or Geni is for you.
If your goal is to get the JewishGen databases to match your own valid documents while causing them to no longer match the documents upon with those databases are based, I can only encourage you to re-read all the responses to your original query, and work your way toward understanding why such a correction would, and should, be rejected.

Peter Cherna

(Netherlands and Belgium) Open Archives Website Adds Register of Deceased French #france #records #announcements

Jan Meisels Allen



Open Archives, the website of the Netherlands and Belgium, added the register of deceased French since 1970, from the French National Institute for Statistics and Economic Studies (INSEE). Information includes the name, date and place of birth and date and place of death and death certificate number. The collection contains nearly 26 million historical personal references.


To search the website go to:

The website is in several languages: Dutch, English, French, and German. Click the “language” tab for the dropdown list.


The website has information about 256 million people from 109 Dutch archival or historical organizations,


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: New York City 1940's Street a View Old City Tax Photos #announcements #general #photographs #usa

Jan Meisels Allen


You asked people to download photos for you. This is not something anyone can download  for you.
You have to order the photos or view those on the site. As my posting stated, there are hundreds of  thousands of photos. You have to go the website 
or if you want to order and pay for specific photos then you need to fill out the form at:

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

town in Romania need to Identify #romania

Herbert Goodman M.D.

Attached are 3 views of the same ship’s manifest. I’m trying to identify the city of birth in Romania for Itzig Guttman, born 1844. Wife is Fanny

Re: ELBOGEN Jeanette and Karl, Vienna to Canada #austria-czech #canada

Sherri Bobish


There is a tree on Geni that claims this family's original surname was LANDAU (changed to LANDON.)

I suppose that you can research that further to see if it is true or not.

The tree shows Alfred, Jenny and son Kirk.


Sherri Bobish

Re: Need Help Translating Documents From Poland #translation


Re: Searching Hamburg lists for family groups #records

Phil Karlin

I had a similar situation. Searching had come up empty. I decided that the only way to find them was to scan (as in look quickly) at every arrival manifest image. I had the month and year, it wouldn't be too bad. I started at the end of the month and mercifully found them on the 26th. My four Yaffe's showed up as four Preiskel's. The confirmation was the unindexed note that their final destination was New Haven, with Esther's brother named.
They were in the Hamburg manifest too. But without the New Haven clue, I wouldn't have recognized them.

I don't know if that helped. I will tell you that you'll be incredibly satisfied when you find them :)

Phil Karlin

Need Help Translating Documents From Poland #translation


I received some documents from Bialystok, Poland that I am trying to ascertain whether they are correct to my family.  Would anyone be willing to translate these for me, especially the first document.

Thank you very much.


Searching for family members named SPERBER #names

Hannah Sperber

Philip Sperber
Chaim Sperber
Halina Horowicz Sperber
Henry Sperber
Irka Sperber
Nathan Sperber
Ingeborg Sperber
David Sperber
Rosa Sperber

Searched for by:
Hannah Sperber

ELBOGEN Jeanette and Karl, Vienna to Canada #austria-czech #canada


Jeannette Eugenie Lichtenstein was born in Vienna on 16 Aug 1871. When she was 18, she married Julius Elbogen (born 27 Jul 1858 in Prague CZ) in the Stadttempel Wien on 20 May 1890. Julius was 32 years old. They had either 3 or 4 children: Margarete (b 1891), Elsa (b 1892), Hans (b 1894) and possibly Karl (b 1897). 


At some point before he died on 18 Jun 1921, Jeannette and Julius divorced and she re-married Alfred Landon, a Canadian whom, I believe, she met in Vienna. They immigrated to Canada where their only child Kirk Alfred Landon was born in Toronto on 20 Oct 1897.


I cannot find any death information about Jeannette (Jenny) Landon. She and her husband, Alfred, may have moved to the U.S. from Canada. I can find no information about her husband Alfred Landon. Also confusing is the possible presence of a fourth child from the first marriage, Karl Elbogen. In my files, he was born on 20 Oct 1897 the same day as his step brother Kirk Alfred Landon was born so there must be an error here.


My questions: 1) Any information about divorce/re-marriage residence and death information for Jeannette Lichtenstein Elbogen Landon. 2) Any information about her second husband, Alfred Landon, and 3) Any information about the possible 4th child of the Lichtenstein-Elbogen union, Karl.

Thank you,
Tom Flanders

Re: New York City 1940's Street a View Old City Tax Photos #announcements #general #photographs #usa

Sheldon Clare

Please send me the photos.  I was born and brought up in NYC. Thank you.

Sheldon Clare


Re: legal name change in New York. #general


Thanks for that quotation and information, Mr. Hershman -- concerning antisemitism in the 1940s (although the fact remains that my grandfather had 2 brothers (1 of whom I met decades later -- after I was born in 1961) who never changed their family name) in he United States.

I didn't mention earlier a quite-interesting book by a researcher named Kirsten Fermaglich (published in 2018) about (mostly) American Jews and name changing in the 20th century (as I seem to recall from the book, there may well have been a peak in the interwar years or in the 1940s; there was a decline in my lifetime) -- largely based on research into court records in New York City entitled A Rosenberg by Any Other Name: A History of Jewish Name Changing in America.

(The book does tell of continuing employment and college-admissions discrimination in the 1940s -- before things changed for the better in this country.)

Ethan W. Kent
New York City.

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