Re: Were there markings on Jewish headstones in the United Kingdom that identify who the stonecutters were? #unitedkingdom

Our Jewish Family History Research

Hi all:
Thanks to everyone who replied to my post. I apologize for my possible error in assuming that adding the hashtag"#unitedkingdom" would automatically identify the location that my post refers to. I wish to pose my question again noting that the location is #united kingdom specifically. I must comment though that the topic has brought forth fascinating details that relate to other parts of our Jewish world! Perhaps the moderators would please assign an appropriate hashtag to cover these and future posts on this topic.

Many thanks to all.

Stay safe and well.


Jacqueline GRUSZECKI
from Dorohoi,București,Herța & Panciu

Seeking Dr. Orban LASZLONE, Budapest, Re Jozsef NUERENBERGER and Etel FRIEDMAN NUERENBERGER #slovakia #hungary #holocaust

Hilary Osofsky

I am seeking Dr. Orban LASZLONE, of Budapest, who submitted testimony to Yad Vashem for my NUERENBERGER cousins, Jozsef (Yosef) NUERENBERGER and his wife, nee Etel FRIEDMAN / FRIDMAN,  in 1988 (Item ID's 1743571 and 1699738).

According to Dr. LASZLONE's testimony, Jozsef was born in  Rozsahegy (Ruzomberok), Liptov, Slovakia, in 1880. He was actually born to Hannah HOLLANDER and Salamon / Samuel NUERENBERGER in Felso-Ruszbach on 30 Oct 1883.

Etel was born to Irma Schwarz / Shvarz and Herman Friedman on 14 July 1885 in Mezocsat, Borsod, Hungary.

The couple last resided in  Budapest, or perhaps Veroce, Hungary, before being deported to Auschwitz, where they were murdered.

I would greatly appreciate it if anyone who knows how to contact Dr. Laszlone (or his family) would either convey my email to him or otherwise contact me privately as to how I might initiate contact.

Hilary Stein Osofsky
Orinda, CA

NUERENBERGER / NURNBERGER / NIRNBERGER Gibely > Zalesie, Zilina, Krizova Ves, Haghi, Vysne Ruzbachy, Hafka, Podolinec, Stara Lubovna, Spisska Stara Ves, Slovakia

Help with translating family postcards #translation


I would love some assistance translating these family postcards into English. I suspect they are in German or Yiddish  but am not sure. If I should be posting them one at a time, please let me know. Thank you!

Cindy Compert

ViewMate Translation Request - Hebrew/Yiddish #translation


In the same batch of letters as the ones I posted a request for translation from Russian was one letter with Russian on one side (translated by others) and Hebrew or Yiddish on the other. I've posted the Hebrew/Yiddish side on ViewMate for translation:

Gary Ehrlich
Rockville, MD

ViewMate Translation Request - Russian #translation


I've posted a couple of letters that were sent to my mother's maternal grandmother from relatives in Russia that I would like to have translated. ViewMate links:


Gary Ehrlich
Rockville, MD
SCVIRSCI, Zhivotov, Ukraine

Decrypting Two Comments on Galician Birth Records - ViewMate Request #galicia #translation

Yaron Wolfsthal

Dear Group,
The links below point to two Polish comments (from the "Uwaga" Column) of separate birth records  Galicia 1898 and 1900).

I believe those comments are in lieu of death records, but I cannot figure out the specifics of the Polish handwritten text.

I'd appreciated help in translating these two comments.    Thank you!

Yaron Wolfsthal

Thank you!

Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #russia #poland #translation

Greg Tuckman

Hello everyone,
I've posted 5 vital records in Russian for which I need translations. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses ...

1.  Death record of Wolf WAJSBLECH:

2.  Death record of Sura Erla WAJSBLECH nee KOHN / KOCHANE:

3.  Death record of Lejbus WAJSBLECH:

4.  Death record of Nesza WAJSBLECH nee KUPERSZMIDT:

5.  Death record of Masza WAJSBLECH:
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Greg Tuckman
Phoenix, Arizona USA

Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names


I had a great uncle whose Hebrew name was Itzaak but his Anglicized  name was Charles.  I have come across others, particularly from Galicia

Jerome Hoffman

Re: Searching Hamburg lists for family groups #records

Alan Reische

Phil, I did locate manifests for NYC arrivals but unfortunately, there is scant information for the date my grandfather provided in the citizenship application and nothing corresponds to the date of birth information I have.

Alan Reische.

Re: Searching Hamburg lists for family groups #records

Alan Reische

Thanks Sally. The 2 citizenship petitions I located say simply ‘Austria’, which of course is useless. I do have the putative date of arrival, but going through the manifests for that date, there are only a few names, nothing relevant. (I need to expand the scope of arrival search, but that could take forever.)

Bremen records of course have been destroyed. I was hoping to find something in Hamburg, which has more detailed point of origin data; I assumed 8-10 days for direct passage, and working backwards from the June 15, 1879 arrival date, am examining the Hamburg departures for the period May 28, 1879-June 10, 1879.

As I said to someone else, my ancestors would have been candidates for CIA spooks, if the CIA existed then, that’s how good they were at covering their traces. 

Alan Reische
Manchester NH

Town of Tschatorisk? and BURKO-GOLDSHMIDT family of Kaunas #ukraine #lithuania

Susan Goldsmith

Does anyone recognize what town Tschatorisk is?  On Town Finder, only the fuzziest search gives the suggestion of Staryi Chortoryisk, Ukraine.  The other search parameters give nothing. 
I am looking for information about Gershon BURKO b. 1900 in Tschatorisk,  taken from Kovno Ghetto to Dachau, and his wife Rosa GOLDSHMIDT, b.1898, daughter of Rabbi Yaakov and  Zlate GOLDSHMIDT. 
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
SF Bay Area, CA, USA

Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland

Re: Searching Hamburg lists for family groups #records

Sally Bruckheimer

"Did any of your ancestors become US citizens? That paperwork will list where they came from, previous names used, and the ship they arrived on and the date they arrived."

Like many other blanket statements, this one is correct only sometimes. My family came early, and naturalization papers say So and So gives up his allegiance to the King of Fill_in_the_Blank. Nothing more.

I found a cousin's naturalization papers in 1906, and I was thrilled. First, I held the actual papers in my hands, and secondly because Jankiel, a Russian, was born in Marseilles (in the 1860s). His parents must have fled the rebellion / cholera / famine - and they went back. Mind you, you didn't automatically become French because you were born there; Americans think everywhere is like the US.

The ship's passenger lists also say next to nothing. In 1853, per the Baden Emigration Lists, my ggrandfather, David, left. In 1853, Mr. Bruckheimer arrived in NYC. But David had 3 brothers who could have come in 1853, earlier or later. No way to tell.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Were there markings on headstones that identify who the stonecutters were? #unitedkingdom

Friedman, H George

I have photos of the headstone for my great-grandfather's first wife, Tillie Peiser, in Gates of Prayer Canal Street Cemetery in New Orleans, LA which show a mark for the stonecutter. The stone is signed “Reynolds” at the lower right. James Reynolds and his family were prominent in the building arts in 19th century New Orleans. He was an active stonecutter from 1866 to 1880, with a shop on Poydras Street. His signature on a Jewish tombstone is considered unusual.

George Friedman
Champaign, IL, USA

Records From Secret Vatican Archive Offer New Clues to Response to Holocaust #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen



Now that the secret Vatican Archives are open, the world is able to see what the Vatican did during World War ll regarding silence about what the Nazis did to the Jews.  Vatican officials have always insisted Pope Pius XII did everything possible to save Jewish lives during World War II.  Pope Pius XII thought that he should not take sides in the war," says Brown University professor David Kertzer, "and that therefore he should not be criticizing either side of the war, including the Nazis."


Kertzer published his early findings in an article in The Atlantic ( The newly unearthed documents — some imbued with anti-Semitic language — are shedding light on the pontiff's behavior during the Nazis' massacre of Jews. They also reveal the pope's role in preventing orphans of Holocaust victims from being reunited with their relatives.


NPR reports that Kertzer found two documents that reveal an intense debate was under way in the Vatican in 1943, when the Nazi occupiers of Rome rounded up more than 1,000 Jews and detained them in a military college 800 yards from St. Peter's Square before packing them off to the Auschwitz concentration camp. As the German ambassador to the Vatican reported to Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, the roundup occurred under the pope's "very windows." Only 16 of the deportees survived.


A letter written by the Pope’s emissary to the Fascist Italy regime urged the pope to make a private, oral protest to the German ambassador. He suggested Pius tell the ambassador that there is no reason to use violence against Italian Jews because the racial laws instituted five years earlier by Benito Mussolini's dictatorial regime were "sufficient to contain the tiny Jewish minority within its proper limits."


Pope Pius asked advice from his Jewish affairs expert, Monsignor Angelo Dell'Acqua. However, a second document Kertzer found is , "is Dell'Acqua's thoroughly anti-Semitic document explaining why he thought the pope should not, in fact, speak out."  Dell'Acqua later became cardinal vicar of Rome.


Kertzer's findings also cover the case of two Jewish orphans secretly baptized in France after their parents were deported to Auschwitz: The Finaly Brothers—Robert and Gérald . Nuns, monks and a mother superior were put in jail for kidnapping when they defied court rulings to hand over the boys to their surviving relatives.  The Vatican issued instructions telling them to resist the law.


In 1945, the Finaly brothers were two of the estimated 1,200 French Jewish orphans in France alone in non-Jewish families or institutions. Across Europe, Kertzer believes, there were thousands more — secretly baptized and never reunited with their Jewish relatives.  Following his discoveries in the archives, Kertzer contacted Robert Finaly, who described to him what it was like when he and Gérald were being shuffled around in hiding in various convents.

To read more see:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: How to correct information in databases displayed on JewishGen. #records #poland

Stanley Diamond

This is further to Sheila Toffell's post earlier today.  

Researchers should be aware that the 25-year journey of started with 
many volunteers quickly coming forward to help us create data. Many were new to 
data entry of Polish records but that did stop them from wanting to be part of our 
visionary and innovative project and at the same time, wanting to give back. 

Of course, along the way, there has been a learning curve and that is why in my post
of 28 August I mentioned "over the years, JRI-Poland has discovered a multitude of 
errors/conflicts that can creep into records" and I listed of these reasons.  

The first one was: 
1. Names data entered from index pages vary from the actual record. 
    These are corrected as JRI-Poland supplements the original index as part of the 
    Phase 3 initiative to fully extract vital records.  This article, in part, describes both
    the Phase 3 project and other aspects of JRI-Poland activity.

The point is that the Phase 3 initiative is giving us the opportunity to replace the 
original basic indices with entries with full genealogical information in each record.
For information on the Phase 3 status of your town, write to [townname]

I am also repeating two important paragraphs from my email of August 28th.

   "I also want to use this opportunity to clarify the original subject line on this thread.  
   There are some databases that can be searched via JewishGen that are made 
   available by independent organizations among.  This includes, Jewish Records 
   Indexing - Poland (

   Therefore the original subject line on this thread might have been more accurately 
   titled as it now appears above.  That is,  "How to correct information in databases 
   displayed on JewishGen."

Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.


Re: How to correct information in Jewishgen Databases #records
From: Sheila Toffell
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:16:18 EDT

The records that have been uploaded to jewishgen, certainly to JRI-PL, have usually been rudimetarily translated by poeple working for the archives. They are not in depth and names are sometimes not recognized correctly because the translators often are not familiar with Yiddish names. There are  jewishgen volunteers  who take on the task to go deeper into the record, and the results are uploaded. However, there could be errors at both levels. I have a situation like this with the name of a paternal great aunt, who is listed as Caim, but who was actually Chaia. The fact that this changes the sex of the person listed  could have confusing ramifications to a researcher. Luckily, I know the history of this lady. This information was relayed to the moderator for the town for correction. I suggest this is the best solution.

Shelia Toffell

Re: Searching Hamburg lists for family groups #records

Mashiach L. Bjorklund

Why Hamburg? It was just one of the many ports of embarkation to America. Don't forget the UK ports as well. Did any of your ancestors become US citizens? That paperwork will list where they came from, previous names used, and the ship they arrived on and the date they arrived.

Mashiach Bjorklund

Does anyone have information about last names #holocaust #poland #names


I'm looking for information regarding which last names the children, my ancestors (or any ancestor in general) were given. Those of the father or those of the mother. I know that Hitler considered all Jewish children bastards and they were to take their mother's last names, however, is there any information that anyone knows of regarding practices before the second world war?  I have not been able to find any information about this. My relatives came from Poland (now Ukraine) and Austria and I have a copy of a birth certificate of one of my father's uncles (Poland) who was born in the late 1800s and his last name is his mother's.
Thanks in advance!
Ann Geva

Holocaust survivor and activist Gábor Hirsch dies in Switzerland - European Jewish Congress #hungary


With sadness I learned about the passing of Gábor Hirsch. Gábor will be remembered by many for his kindness and his yearly announcement of Hungarian memorial dates.

Shulamit Spain, Scotland


Re: Jews Orphan Asylum Kent - England #unitedkingdom #records #yizkorbooks

David Lewin

At 17:50 30/08/2020, Miriam Deutscher wrote:
You don't mention about how your descent is Jewish.
Someone is only Jewish if they have maternal Jewish descent i.e.
your mother's mother's mother etc. was Jewish. Otherwise you may
have Jewish blood, but not actually be Jewish.

Surnames often help show if someone was Jewish, but not always. As
one example, someone with a Jewish mother but a non-Jewish father
might have a non-Jewish name (or the reverse). Aside from that names
were sometimes misspelled or Anglicized to fit in better with society.

Miriam Deutscher
This needs correcting

The USA uses different words to the UK here - so I am UK terminology
which you may have to "translate"

There are two major streams in the observing of Judaism : "Orthodox"
and "Reform"#

"Maternal Jewish descent " in defining Judaism is the requirement of
Orthodox or Traditional Judaism

The various "Reformed" or "Liberal strands will., of course, accept
that but will also accept anyone who asserts to being a Jew.

To my knowledge all the streams of Judaism require a proficiency in
Jewish history and Tradition when accepting a convert into Judaism

The amount of knowledge required will vary from one congregation to
the other. Equally the proficiency in Hebrew demanded will vary

Equally the recognition by surname is no longer "reliable" - brought
abouit in the main by intermarriage particularly since World War 2.

David Lewin

Announcing the publication of Memorial Book of Vishnevets #ukraine #poland

Joel Alpert

The Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project of JewishGen is proud to announce
the publication of its 101 title, Memorial Book of Vishnevets -
Memorial Book to the Martyrs of Vishnivits Who Perished in the Nazi

This is a hard cover book, 11 inches by 8.5 inches with 438 pages.

Original Yizkor book: Sefer Vishnivits: Sefer zikaron likedoshei
Vishnivits shenispu besho'at hanatsim in Yiddish and Hebrew
Editors: Chayim Rabin
Published by Organization of Vishnevets Immigrants
Published in Tel Aviv, 1970
Layout and Name Indexing: Jonathan Wind
Cover Design: Nina Schwartz

List price: $54.95, available from JewishGen for $32
For more information go to:

Alternate names: Vishnevets [Rus], Wisniowiec [Pol], Vishnivits [Yid],
Vyshnivets [Ukr], Vishnevits, Vishniets, Vishnivitz, Vishnyovyets,
Wisnievicze, Wisniowiec Nowy, Wisnowiec, Vysnivec

Vishnevets is located at: 49°54' N 25°45' E, 214 miles W of Kyyiv

Nearby Jewish Communities:
Katerynivka 9 miles NE
Podlesnoye 10 miles N
Novyy Oleksinets 12 miles WSW
Vyshhorodok 13 miles SE
Kremenets 14 miles N
Pochayev 14 miles NW
Lanivtsi 15 miles E
Velikiye Berezhtsy 15 miles NNW
Zbarazh 16 miles S
Zaliztsi 19 miles WSW
Pidkamin 19 miles W
Stryyivka 21 miles S
Belozerka 21 miles ESE

Researchers and descendants of the town will want to have this book.
For more information, go to:

The Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project now has more than 100 titles
available. To see all the books, go to:

We hope you find this of interest for you and your family in
discovering the history of your ancestors. This would make a birthday
gift for a loved one.

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project-
Memorial Book to the Martyrs of

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