Re: Naturalizations France #france


Does anyone know how to find naturalization requests that were not actually awarded prior to deportation?
i know that my father in-law filed a request in the 1936-1939 time frame.  He was deported in 1943. 

Tsuri Bernstein

Re: Does anyone have information about last names in Russia #poland #names #holocaust

David Lewin

At 14:34 02/09/2020, Sarah L Meyer wrote:
Subject: Re: [] Does anyone have information about last
names in Russia #holocaust #poland #names
To: main@...
From: "Sarah L Meyer" <sarahlmeyer@...>

Please look up Alexander Beider's book Jewish Surnames from the
Russian Empire. It is available on or may be available

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

To whom are you responding ? 

I have the Beider book and can look up

David Lewin

Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Denise Suttle

I know someone who is of Persian background (non-Jewish) whose name is Maryam. I've always assumed it was a variation of Miriam, not a nickname. My late aunt who was killed in the Holocaust was named Mirjam (German spelling) and her family's nickname for her was Malli.

Denise Suttle

Re: Does anyone have information about last names in Russia #poland #names #holocaust

Sarah L Meyer

Please look up Alexander Beider's book Jewish Surnames from the Russian Empire.  It is available on or may be available through

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Susan Sorkenn

My great-aunt Miriam was nicknamed Mae. She was Mae to everyone.

Susan Sorkenn

Re: Best program for large format printable 10 generation family tree chart #general

Russ Maurer

It seems to me, whatever language keyboard you have set would be the language that any genealogy program would take. Am I missing something? I just tried it out with GenoPro, the tree program I use, and had no problem using Hebrew by selecting a Hebrew keyboard through the system language setting (this is on a windows box).

As for a large format printout, GenoPro doesn't do fan charts. But if you are ever interested in a traditional tree (ancestors at the top), I have made such printouts from GenoPro by printing to a pdf file with custom dimensions, which I then print at a copy shop that has a banner printer.

Russ Maurer

Where Was Wilkennie, Russia? #russia #names

Carl Kaplan

I found my grandmother's brother's 1911 naturalization papers (online), and attached them. He put down that he was born in Wilkennie, Russia. I have never heard of it, and couldn't find it in a search. Any ideas? Thanks.
Carl Kaplan

KAPLAN Minsk, Belarus
EDELSON, EDINBURG Kovno, Lithuania

Zoommeeting - Good for the Sephardim? #sephardic #announcements #events

Ton Tielen

Meeting - Sunday 6th September 2020 aims to build a collaborative family tree of humanity. Many love it. Others - notably Sephardic genealogists - complain that enthusiasts and fantasists on Geni confuse individuals and mangle their family trees.


To discuss Geni - the good, the bad, and the ugly - and what might be done to make it more Sephardic-friendly, we welcome one of its principle advocates, Randy Schoenberg. We shall also be joined by Jarrett Ross (the GeneaVlogger, Geni curator and IAJGS Board member) and Jacob Marrache (of Adafina genealogy and a Geni curator). We hope that those with issues with Geni will also join us.


Collaborative genealogy has great potential, especially for Sephardic genealogy where there are so many ancestors with similar names. Can we make it better?


Topic: - Good for the Sephardim?

Time: Sunday Sept 6th, 2020 07:00 PM London (This is 7pm British summer time; GMT +1, which is 2pm in New York)


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Ton Tielen and David Mendoza

Sephardic World

Re: How To Document A (Given) Name Change #names

Judy Floam

My father-in-law changed his name from Sylvan to Sidney.   He continued to use Sylvan on legal documents but otherwise was known as Sidney.


Judy Floam

Re: Cultural Questions Regarding Ancient Jewish Genealogies #general

Jeremy Lichtman

Hi David,

A rabbi might be able to answer these questions better, simply because the primary sources here are religious - whatever we can extrapolate about actual practice from the Torah (i.e. 5 Books of Moses, Prophets and Writings), as well as later references to earlier traditions in the Mishnah and Gemarah. I'm not aware of anything in archaelogy or unbiased third party writings from the era that would answer your questions. I'm a layman, and the following is just my opinion.

1) The modern rabbinic definition of Jewish inheritance is maternal-only. i.e. if the mother is Jewish, the child is Jewish (note that Reform Judaism accepts paternal inheritance today). There's lots of argument about when exactly that policy was adopted (although it is justified via biblical exegesis). We don't know exactly what the original practice was, but it may have been somewhat informal. Sources include the Book of Ruth (i.e. formal conversion isn't recorded, but her descendants are obviously considered Jewish), and also later discussion on the children of non-Jewish wifes of various Judean kings. There's also a form of paternal inheritance for priesthood - i.e. Cohanim and Levi'im inherit their status paternally.

As far as a direct answer to your question goes, most Jews in the biblical era were farmers, and farmers have always had a pretty good idea regarding how physical traits are inherited from both parents, even if the precise details weren't always known. Biblical genealogies aren't talking about genetics though. Most of them appear to be lineages of various sorts of tribal leaders (both Israelite or otherwise), and at a guess the primary issue at hand was inheritance of land and societal status. In the largely paternal societies of the ancient Near East, that would imply male-line genealogy.

2) Genealogy as we know it today is a recent invention. Ancient genealogies don't have any concept of precision at all. That said, one place where there's a simple lineage given is in the book of Esther: "Mordechai ben Yair ben Shimi ben Kish ish Yemini." i.e. "Mordechai son of Yair son of Shimi son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin" (usual translation of Yemini, although there's other opinions). It isn't intended to tell you precise genealogy, but rather to give a general idea of who he is and what he's about. That lineage tells an informed reader about roughly when his family was carted off to Babylon, where they came from originally etc. Midrashic sources also relate that various symbolism to the overall story from the specific fact that he was from the tribe of Benjamin (it's complicated). i.e. the whole lineage is basically just setting the stage for the story.

3) I don't know of any good sources re ancient adoption and written lineages. The closest I can think of also comes from Esther. Esther (i.e. Hadassah) is a cousin or possibly niece of Mordechai, whom he adopted when her parents died. She isn't considered his genetic child though. Another possible source comes from Talmudic discussion of who can marry whom - adopted siblings are not barred from marrying each other.


Jeremy Lichtman

Re: Naturalizations France #france


These files are troves of information. Many files contain information that goes largely beyond the date of the naturalization of the person. You find all the documents the candidates for naturalization had to fill up to become french including their family history. You have the inquest made by the relevant police department or embassies to confirm their sayings. Most fascinating and disturbing you find what happened to them during the Vichy regime. Many were subjected to the Commission de dénaturalisation and therefore the prefectures tracked their whereabouts during that period. The files can be extremely detailed and precise fortunately for them with a delay. Luckily gps tracking did not exist then !

Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Jill Whitehead

In my family, the various Miriam's were shortened to Mary, Marion, Mimi and Mim in the UK. One of my great aunts known as Cissie Miriam (but born Miriam) was named after her grandmother Cyza Malka (from Rajgrod in Lomza gubernia NE Poland). 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Dr.Josef ASH

I wrote you about things you probably had known before. Now I have at last understood your question.
No, Hebrew has no name MAriam. So, it should be, if not the pronounciation difference, a nickname.
Josef ASH, Israel

Naturalizations France #france

Micheline GUTMANN

I have to precise that this means only that the date and number correponding
to naturalizations are on line.
But to each decret correspond an important file of several pages of
information about the people directly concerned and also their family,
parents, brothers, children..
These complete files must be asked to the national archives, at Pierrefitte,
north of Paris. Possible to go with metro. You ask and wait for them that
you can go and see.
Then you can go and take photos. We often do it.
Micheline Gutmann, GenAmi, Paris, France

Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay

How could I resist jumping in here? :) Dr. Joseph Ash is correct. Maryam is not a nickname for Miriam but a variation of the same name. Miriam is just the commonly accepted English version of the original biblical Hebrew name. I’ve seen Mariem, Marjem and Mariyam in Polish Jewish documents, Maryam in transliterated Arabic, Myriam in French, and others. They’re all the same name, just with different pronunciations and spellings.

Nicknames generally shorten the name and/or add a diminutive. You might see Mirel or Mireleh (Yiddish), Mira (Yiddish and Hebrew), Miri (Hebrew), Manya (Polish and Russian), Mariuma (Arabic), and many others.

The name Maria or Mary of course originated from Miriam, and it has its own variations and nicknames in various languages.

All the best,
Raanana, Israel.
Professional writer, editor, proofreader, translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum and Memorial.


(UK) Wiener Holocaust Library-Jewish Resistance to the Holocaust #announcements #holocaust #unitedkingdom

Jan Meisels Allen



The Wiener Holocaust Library is one of the world's leading and most extensive archives on the Holocaust and Nazi era.  Formed in 1933, the Library's unique collection of over one million items includes published and unpublished works, press cuttings, photographs and eyewitness testimony. The Museum is located in London, England,  United Kingdom,


The Wiener Holocaust Library’s current exhibition (6 August -30 November 2020) is Jewish Resistance to the Holocaust.


During the Holocaust, Jewish partisan groups and underground resistance networks launched attacks, sabotage operations and rescue missions. Resistance groups in ghettos organized social, religious, cultural and educational activities and armed uprisings in defiance of their oppressors. In death camps, in the most extreme circumstances, resisters gathered evidence of Nazi atrocities and even mounted armed rebellions.”

While one has to personally visit the Museum to explore the exhibit their website has a ~4 minute video on the exhibit:


For those who may visit the Museum in person, due to the pandemic, you must have a pre-booked viewing slot. 

To learn more about the exhibit see the aforementioned URL and how to make a reservation to tour the exhibit see:


The Smithsonian Magazine has an article about the exhibit which can be read at:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee



Ronnie Hess

Many thanks to David Choukroun for previous search. Additional family information, Arlette née BRANDCHAFT married to Christian PINAUD. Children Valérie PINAUD and Franck PINAUD, born July 1966.
Thanks for any other information,
Ronnie HESS
Madison, WI

Re: WWII Evacuees LitvakSIG record #lithuania #records


There are at several books about 16th Division, mostly in Lithuanian, perhaps there were some books written in Yiddish and Hebrew.  Also, check the message archives (always a  good idea). I think the topic has been brought before. Querying Russian databases such as may reveal a lot of information, especially if a person was awarded for valor.


Good luck!



Boris Feldblyum
FAST Genealogy Service

Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Peninah Zilberman


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Bolechov Chassidism #holocaust #poland #rabbinic

Tzvi Schnee

My great great grandfather, Yaakov Schnee was a chassidic rabbi in Bolechov, Poland. Although he had semicha, in all likelihood he did not lead a congregation. Yet, I am interested in knowing to what chassidic dynasty he belonged. I am inclined to think that he was a Bolechover chassid, since that may have been the most prolific chassidic cloize in Bolechov, under the authority of Rabbi Schneebalg. However, there were other chassidic cloizes (courts) in Bolechov. If anyone can direct me to sources, that might shed light on this question, I would greatly appreciate the advice.
Thank you very much. 
Shalom, Tzvi Fievel

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