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Aaron Slotnik
Hi Mark - I'm replying to the group for the benefit of others who may also have an interest or roots in Canton, Ohio like myself. We're fortunate that the Stark County Court's naturalization records have been digitized, indexed and placed online. You can find and search them here - http://webnet.starkcountyohio.gov/Clerk_NatSearch/ . I may have found your grandfather's and will message you privately.
Regards, Aaron Slotnik Chicago, IL
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Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections
#dna
Teewinot
Update on Ancestry Situation:
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I just got off the phone with corporate HQ. The man agreed with me and is going to look into returning the shared DNA matches to the full 8.0 cM. I told him that to cut them off at 20 cM was ridiculous and short-sighted. We had a long conversation, and I carefully explained to him why even the very low cM matches are important. I told him I'm a retired medical professional, so I understand about DNA and inheritance. That seemed to carry some weight. So, that may be reversed. It's a simple matter of re-writing the computer program. I would suggest that everyone with an Ancestry DNA account call corporate HQ and ask that they return the shared matches to the full range down to 8.0 cM. The phone number is: 801-705-7000. It is in Salt Lake City, Utah, which is in the Mountain Time Zone. As for matches below 8.0 cM, I'm sorry to have to report that that data has been dumped. I find that devastating. Jeri Friedman Port Saint Lucie, Florida
On 9/3/2020 1:57 PM, Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff via groups.jewishgen.org wrote: Has any organized protest happened??? A coalition of groups should be On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 10:27:05 AM PDT, Teewinot --
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Re: nickname for Miriam?
#names
Anna Doggart
My cousin Miriam was known as Mura. She was born in Russian Empire, grew up in Berlin, then France and lived out her life in New York. So was Mura a Russian version? It took years for me to realise that her name was actually Miriam Anna Doggart UK Researching FRIEDLAND HEIFETZ SCHWARZKOPF LEVIN MENDEL
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Re: Does anyone have information about last names
#holocaust
#poland
#names
a.eatroff@...
I think that rule about not conscripting only sons was only valid in some countries (perhaps just Russia). My grandfather was drafted into the Austro-Hungarian army as a teen and he had no brothers.
Alicen Eatroff
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Re: Viewmate 85183--translation needed--German
#translation
#germany
Peter Strauss
Joseph, the link actually brings up image 85181, not 85183.
Peter Strauss Oakland CA
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Stuart Kaufer
Perl and Herman Katz resided in Munkacs, survived the war and sometime in the early 70's moved to Israel. They are my cousins. I am wondering if there is a contact person in the Jewish Comunity in Mukachevo currently? Or if any one on this list knows the whereabouts of the Katz children today? Thank you.
Stuart Kaufer
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Document Translation Project adds lists from Krolevets 1888
#translation
#ukraine
Beth Galleto
Dear fellow researchers, Tax censuses (family lists) from Krolevets uezd (district) in 1888 have now been translated and transcribed as part of the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project. The Krolevets lists include 185 different surnames, which I have extracted and attached to this email. The original pages can be seen online on the FamilySearch website in FHL film 1222347, Item 9. Previously as part of this project we have translated tax censuses from the Glukhov, Starodub, Konotop, Mglin, Oster, and Borzna uezds in 1882, from film 1222346 and additional censuses from the Mglin uezd in 1882 from film 1222347. This work is possible because of generous donations from so many who are interested in records from the former Chernigov gubernia. Those who donate $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project on the JewishGen website are eligible to view the completed spreadsheets before they are uploaded to the website. Please contact me with proof of your donation if you want to see any of the spreadsheets as listed above. All donations of any size are appreciated and will continue to advance the project. You can donate through the following link: https://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=22 The information from the translation spreadsheets will be uploaded to the JewishGen website at some point in the future. Some have already been uploaded and may be searched by name. They are classified on the JewishGen website as Revision Lists, although they are slightly different from a Revision List (another type of Russian census). I hope you are all getting a lot of online genealogy research done while staying safe. Best wishes, Beth Galleto
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Barbara Ellman
Mark Horowitz is searching for his grandfather's naturalization. No first name was provided. Apparently from the writing, he lived in Ohio.
After 1927, naturalizations had to be issued in Federal Court. The index cards for the District Court of Northern Ohio are online at FamilySearch.
They are not indexed, with a little effort the Horowitz naturalizations begin at image 2641 of
-- Barbara Ellman Secaucus NJ USA HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland
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Looking for lost husband of Pauline (Perl) SESSLER
#austria-czech
#usa
pschwartz999@...
Pauline(Perl) SESSLER (mother was Raizel SHILLER) was born in 1867 in Tluste, Austria or nearby and married Hersh SPINNER(aka Hersh KNEIZER) born around 1860. She immigrated to NYC in 1921 and by the 1930 census was listed as a widow using the SESSLER name. Where were they married and when did he die? Were they divorced? She’s buried in Beth David, Elmont on March 22, 1943. Hersh was the son of Eli KNEIZER and Eli’s other sons (Meier and Joseph) used the SPINNER name. This is the brick wall I’m trying to crack. Can’t seem to make headway in Tluste now Tovste, Ukraine nor in the US. Hersh has disappeared!!!!! The marriage is interesting since Hersh was my grandfather (Meier SPINNER)’s brother and Pauline (Perl) SESSLER was the sister of my grandmother Simi SESSLER. Simi appeared to use her mother’s last name SHILLER. I’m thinking children carried mother’s surname since most marriages were religious, not civil. I’m really struggling with this. Any suggestions would really help....... Paula Spinner Schwartz AVON, CT Tluste (SPINNER, SESSLER, SIEBENBERG, SHILLER, SCHECTER)
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Ides Selzer Morgenstern
#galicia
Milton Koch
Ides Selzer Morgenstern died in Mikulnice in 1892. Her parents were Naftali and Reisl Selzer from Trembowla. I have been in contact with someone who may be related to her-and me. My PGGP were Naftali and Reisl Selzer from Trembowla. However, I have no record of who Ides' husband was before she died, or if she had any children. Any/all assistance to match her with other relatives would be greatly appreciated. Though it may be possible that there were two Selzer families in the town with the exact same names, I wonder if anyone knows of any other descendants of Naftali and Reisl Selzer from Trembowla that might have been born between 1850-1870, or so. Thank you.
Milton Koch Bethesda, MD, USA SELZER-Trembowla
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Upcoming US & Jewish Genealogy Online Classes
#education
Michael Moritz
Hello, I will be conducting interactive one-hour online genealogy classes this Fall on a wide array of topics. I will be commencing with two different three-part Basics Series, one introducing Jewish genealogical research and another introducing United States research more broadly. The upcoming classes are:
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Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections
#dna
Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
Has any organized protest happened? A coalition of groups should be organized
asap, if that has not is not alreading happening. If not, customer group by
customer group should make a formal open communication to the decision-makers at Ancestry.
What a short-sighted decision! Has JewishGen made a formal complaint?
Short-sighted to discard the fruits of the amazing technological advancement that in some
cases is the only way to have made familial connection. Ancestry's very existence is
based on a faith-based reason, leave-no-stone unturned approach to finding
as many of one's ancestors as possible. It's shocking that a cost/benefit analysis would be holding sway.
Surely they can find a way to keep finding and retaining that level of matching,retaining, and being creative
in making that available, even if on a special, selective, on-demand basis.
Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
PISTERMAN (Bessarabia/Northern Moldova), ROTH (Bessarabia/Northern Moldova), ZOLOTOROV/SLOTOROFF (Chernigov / Kiev, Ukraine), LEVINE(Michalovka, Minsk), CHARKOVSKY/SHARKOVSKY (Ukraine), BLAUSTEIN (Ukraine), RIBNICK (Belarus), SHEINISS (Belarus), ROGOWITZ (Belarus), ZYRO (Zabolitiv, Western Ukraine $ Poland), TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Westerb Ukraine), LIMON (Bereshtiko,Volynia, Western Ukraine), TAU (Ukraine), KRANTZ (Ukraine).
On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 10:27:05 AM PDT, Teewinot <teewinot13@...> wrote:
Seven days ago, AncestryDNA make a drastic unannounced change to the way
they report shared DNA matches. They stopped showing *any* matches below 20 cM. This is devastating to many people, because many important matches occur right below 20 cM. Also, as of September 1st, they removed *all* matches below 8.0 cM. This action was announced on the website. They said that if you starred a match, created groups and put the matches in them or sent them a note, those matches would be preserved. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who began frantically trying to save every match they could, because, for the past week, the servers were sluggish, kept crashing, and often went down for two hours or so at a time. Ancestry finally had to post an apology and said they were working on the problem. As of September 1st, when the change went into effect, the servers were fully back to normal. I managed to save just under 7,500 matches. I know there were many more I was unable to save before the deadline, and wonder just what discoveries I've missed out on. I had called AncestryDNA customer service to complain. The young man I spoke to was shocked when I told him about the 20 cM limit on shared matches. He told me that was never announced (no kidding!) and that the customer service people weren't told about it either. (Unreal!) I also told him that without the ability to see shared matches below 20 cM and without the matches below 8.0 cM, I, and others, have very little hope of being able to find out how more distant cousins are connected. I told him I think I figured out a bit of a workaround, but it involves an enormous amount more work, and both parties have to work together, which means you'd have to contact every single person and gain their cooperation for hours of work. This is totally insane! I just discovered two distant cousins with many surnames in common, but with these changes to AncestryDNA, we may never be able to find the connection between us, and we really want to find it. In all my years, I have never seen a business do such a thing. We all paid for the data they gave us. Then they go and take the data away from us!! No one asked *me* if I agreed to that! If they wanted to make a change, they should have done it with new customers, and left us old customers and our data and matching system alone!! The young man in customer service filed two complaints for me. He also gave me an email address to write to find out if the data was dumped or stored somewhere. If it's stored, I want my data back!! I wrote to the email address and got a "canned" response this morning. I wrote them again, telling them I didn't appreciate that, and want my questions answered. I've also tried calling the corporate HQ, but no one answers. Probably due to the pandemic. I will call again today. I wanted to let you all know about this, because I'm discovering many people had no idea these changes happened. They're quite upset when they find out. AncestryDNA is nowhere near as useful as it was. Jeri Friedman Port Saint Lucie, Florida -- teewinot13@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno, Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN, KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ, BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia); KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia) KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania); CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ZOLOTOROV (Chernigov, Ukraine; Kiev, Ukraine); SLOTOROFF (Kiev, Ukraine) CHARKOVSKY or SHARKOVSKY(Ukraine); LEVINE (Ukraine and Minsk, Belarus); GLUSKIN (Ukraine) LIMON (Berestechko, Volynia, Ukraine) TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Ukraine) ZYRO (Zabolativ, Ukraine) TAU (Zalolativ, Ukraine) PISTERMAN (Ukraine) ROTH / ROT (Ataki, Bessarabia, Moldova) BLAUSTEIN (Chernigov, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus)
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Mark,
1. The reason why Edward's first papers (Declaration) state "District Court, Cleveland, OH" on top, but "Common Pleas Court, Canton, OH" on the bottom is that he filed twice: the first time in Common Pleas in 1924, but he apparently did not continue the process. The Declaration expires after 7 years, so he had to re-file, which he did in District Court in 1941. 2. Papers were portable, so the final papers did not need to be filed in the same court as the first papers. He filed his final papers (Petition) in L.A. District Court in 1944. 3. There were multiple copies made of naturalization papers: one stayed with the court and one went to INS (now USCIS). USCIS response time was very slow, even before the pandemic. NARA has copies from the district courts, but not local & state courts from early naturalizations. Also, NARA has not yet digitized all of their holdings. The good news is that FamilySearch does have the images from many courts. I would start by searching the FamilySearch catalog (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/search ). Since you do not know which court, or exactly when your grandfather naturalized, you will first need to look at indexes. I'd do keyword searches on both "Stark County naturalization" and "Cleveland naturalization" and look at the collections of indexes. You will find that digital images of the index cards are available; however, only some can be viewed from home, whereas others are restricted to viewing at a Family History Center. Once you have found the court and date/petition number for the naturalization, do the keyword search again, but this time you want to look at the collections of records, not indexes. Regards, David Oseas Researching: HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles KRONOWITH: Hungary > New York OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles STRUL: Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
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Re: How To Document A (Given) Name Change
#names
jbonline1111@...
I documented the name changes in my family by using the AKA feature on my genealogy program. If yours does not have that, perhaps you can put it in notes attached to that record, citing sources as you would for any other data.
-- Barbara Sloan Conway, SC
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Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections
#dna
Teewinot
Seven days ago, AncestryDNA make a drastic unannounced change to the way
they report shared DNA matches. They stopped showing *any* matches below 20 cM. This is devastating to many people, because many important matches occur right below 20 cM. Also, as of September 1st, they removed *all* matches below 8.0 cM. This action was announced on the website. They said that if you starred a match, created groups and put the matches in them or sent them a note, those matches would be preserved. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who began frantically trying to save every match they could, because, for the past week, the servers were sluggish, kept crashing, and often went down for two hours or so at a time. Ancestry finally had to post an apology and said they were working on the problem. As of September 1st, when the change went into effect, the servers were fully back to normal. I managed to save just under 7,500 matches. I know there were many more I was unable to save before the deadline, and wonder just what discoveries I've missed out on. I had called AncestryDNA customer service to complain. The young man I spoke to was shocked when I told him about the 20 cM limit on shared matches. He told me that was never announced (no kidding!) and that the customer service people weren't told about it either. (Unreal!) I also told him that without the ability to see shared matches below 20 cM and without the matches below 8.0 cM, I, and others, have very little hope of being able to find out how more distant cousins are connected. I told him I think I figured out a bit of a workaround, but it involves an enormous amount more work, and both parties have to work together, which means you'd have to contact every single person and gain their cooperation for hours of work. This is totally insane! I just discovered two distant cousins with many surnames in common, but with these changes to AncestryDNA, we may never be able to find the connection between us, and we really want to find it. In all my years, I have never seen a business do such a thing. We all paid for the data they gave us. Then they go and take the data away from us!! No one asked *me* if I agreed to that! If they wanted to make a change, they should have done it with new customers, and left us old customers and our data and matching system alone!! The young man in customer service filed two complaints for me. He also gave me an email address to write to find out if the data was dumped or stored somewhere. If it's stored, I want my data back!! I wrote to the email address and got a "canned" response this morning. I wrote them again, telling them I didn't appreciate that, and want my questions answered. I've also tried calling the corporate HQ, but no one answers. Probably due to the pandemic. I will call again today. I wanted to let you all know about this, because I'm discovering many people had no idea these changes happened. They're quite upset when they find out. AncestryDNA is nowhere near as useful as it was. Jeri Friedman Port Saint Lucie, Florida -- teewinot13@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno, Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN, KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ, BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia); KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia) KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania); CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me
#general
Emily Rosenberg
I would suggest for Yale Zussman and others who are sharing with cousins that you maintain a list or database of those you share with noting their relationship to you and their contact information and perhaps contact for their next generation. This gives them more ways to find each when you are no longer here running the whole project. Depending on privacy concerns this could be included with the materials you give to each branch or could stay with your personal papers and be prominently labeled with importance of sending it out in the future.
Emily Rosenberg
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Holesov, Moravia Families, fl. 1750-1900
#austria-czech
#records
robertbhanscom@...
I have just now completed an 18-month analysis of all Jewish families living in Holesov, Moravia, fl. 1750-1900. While I can't claim that it is completely comprehensive, I do think it is a fairly thorough summary based on the following sources:
(1) Jewish births, marriages, and deaths for Holesov, 1784-1849, plus additional collections, 1899 through the early 1900s.
(2) Holesov Pinkas records/ documents, 1785-1830.
(3) Holesov Jewish census records, 1755, 1760, 1819, 1830, 1857, and 1869.
(4) Holesov Jewish cemetery records.
This is a lengthy document -- 537 pages -- which sounds daunting. But it is organized alphabetically by family, and I've been somewhat successful at proving relationships within family groups. If any of you are researching families from this community, I would be happy to send you this summary by email. Just send me a message at robertbhanscom@..., and I will forward it along to you.
My ancestral families that lived in Holesov were KNOPFELMACHER (in Holesov as early as the 1650s), ZWILLINGER (originally TEOMIM, came to Holesov in the 1770s), and TAUBER (came to Holesov from Leipnik in the early 1760s).
Best regards, Robert Hanscom Andover, Massachusetts USA
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Re: Looking for Weiss family from Romania or France
#france
ekkummel@...
Hi Isabel,
I'm not sure we are related but my great grandfather was named Morris Weiss aka Max Voskoboynik. I know he was born in Helem, Russia (not sure about the Turkish/Romanian connection), but he lived in Paris as a tailor in the Marais district with my great grandmother Marie aka Miriam Lea Berkowitz. They resided there around the turn of the century, married in 1904 and eventually moved to Cleveland, Ohio in 1913 after going back and forth. My grandmother was born in 1908 in Cleveland. She must have been the anchor baby as her older brother was born in Paris in 1905. I think Morris had a sister who was married to a man named Prigal. She also lived in Paris at the same time. Obviously, there are many men named Morris Weiss. Let me know if any of this rings a bell. Best of luck with your efforts! Best, Eve Kummel
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Mark Horowitz
Looking for my grandfather's records. The 1940 census indicates he had his "first papers". His brothers also applied/received citizenship around the same time. My question is: Are my grandfather's records at the county court or USCIS (or somewhere else)? I searched the National Archives' online scans of the Northern District of Ohio, Cleveland, (here and here), and I couldn't find any records on my grandfather or his brothers, not even Edward, even though he sent his first papers to Cleveland. (And I checked all spelling variations of our last name). But just now, a relative sent me another brother's (Hyman) certificate of naturalization which he received in 1940. It says it was issued by the Common Pleas Court of Stark County, Canton, OH. I've already submitted an index search request to USCIS, but I'm wondering if I should also find someone to search the Stark County Court's archives (has to be done in-person). Where are they supposed to be? Maybe another location? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Mark Horowitz
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ACooke
Thank you everyone for your help!! All the links were so helpful, the Lodz photographer with Refotographie is stunning, and I was thrilled to find documents on the Geneaology Indexer site as well as the Polish State Archives.
For those of you that have used Geneology Indexer, do you have recommendations on how to view the files? My computer seems to download them as dju files and I am not sure how to open them. Thank you again for all your help, Andrew Cooke
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