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Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Teewinot
 

I beg to differ. In all my shared matches until about 7 days ago, I had
matches down to 6.0 cM. So did my cousins I've been working with. If
we didn't, we wouldn't have found some of the links between us. I also
wouldn't have found other critical matches in the shared DNA.

I know what shared matches are. I've been using them for the past two
years, since I tested.

I'm a retired medical professional and know about DNA, genetics and
inheritance. In more distant relationships, DNA is more a guide, not an
absolute. Due to the way DNA is inherited, you can have two siblings
with vastly different DNA inheritance from even great great
grandparents. Also, the estimation of relationship can often be way
off. Someone with 8.0 cM could be as close as a 4th cousin or as
distant as an 8th cousin. It all depends on how the DNA was
inherited/passed down. (Ancestry had two of my 1st cousins once removed
listed as 3rd to 4th cousins.)

I paid for the data I was given (down to 6.0 cM). I did not in the
least appreciate it being taken from me without even asking me. I
worked feverishly for the last week to save as many matches as I could
below 8.0 cM. Obviously, everyone else was, too, because the servers
were sluggish, crashing constantly, and even going down completely for
two hours at a time. They hadn't been prior to that. On Sept. 1st,
they were back to normal. I managed to save just under 7,500 matches.
I dread to think of all the valuable data I lost in the matches I
couldn't save.

I personally believe that Ancestry has done all this because they can't
handle the storage of the massive amount of data that is being generated
as more and more people get tested. I also personally believe that what
Ancestry did was disgraceful and just plain bad business. I have never,
in all my years, seen a business take away something from a customer
that they had paid for. If Ancestry wanted to make changes, they should
have started with the new customers as of Sept. 1st, and left alone all
the data of customers who had paid for the service before that date.
They've just made it far harder now to trace links between families.

I had a long talk with someone in the corporate HQ today. He agreed
with me, and is going to look into returning all matches to the shared
DNA. As for the data below 8.0 cM, it's all been dumped. So now it's
just wait and see.

Jeri Friedman


On 9/3/2020 5:54 PM, Adam Turner wrote:

Only the 8.0 cM cutoff is a recent change. The bit about the shared
matches was never announced because it is how AncestryDNA has /always/
worked, at least since I tested.

Your /main match list/ (the screen you are brought to when you click
"DNA matches", which shows all of your matches) showed, and continues to
show, all matches: everyone from "close family", "2nd-3rd cousins,"
"4th-6th cousins" (3500+ cM down to 20.0 cM) to "Distant Cousins" aka
"5th-8th cousins" (20.0 cM down to 8.0 cM). The change that AncestryDNA
made in August is that the cutoff used to go down to 6 cM, and they took
out all matches between 6.0 and 8.0 cM.

The /shared matches tab/ is what you're brought to when you click on the
profile of one of your matches, and are trying to triangulate the
results and see /other /people who match /both/ you and that match. This
section has /always/ had a cutoff of 20.0 cM; you cannot drill past 20.0
cM from this tab within a match's profile. But you could, and still can,
see matches from 8-20 cM in your main match list.

There's an interesting debate to be had on whether revising the cutoff
from 6 cM to 8 cM was beneficial for users (apparently, until 2016, it
used to go down as low as 5 cM), as well as the degree to which some of
these changes are really motivated by the desire to improve accuracy, as
opposed to AncestryDNA's engineers demanding this from within because
their job of running a gigantic match database while minimizing bugs is
hard. (Seen the "our backend servers are overtaxed at the moment"
message lately? I know I have.) But they didn't take 8-20 cM matches out
of Shared Matches; they were never there in the first place.

Adam Turner
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Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Teewinot
 

I never said that Ancestry gave no notice that they were removing
matches below 8.0 cM. I said that they gave no notice that they were
changing the cut-off in the shared DNA from 6.0 cM (at the time) to 20 cM.

Jeri Friedman


On 9/3/2020 6:46 PM, Jan Meisels Allen wrote:

In response to Jerri Friedman's post about no advance notice about
Ancestry's eliminating DNA matches below a low threshold, I posted the
following to this discussion group and the IAJGS Leadership Forum on
July 31. I have no affiliation with Ancestry but was on a call to
"select" posters/bloggers when they announced this and asked that it be
shared.

I posted to this group on Friday July 31 about the Ancestry changes-
when they delayed for one month from their original date giving people
adequate time to mark those with less than 8.0 cM with notes or adding
notes,  sending messages or adding them to a group.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Photo for language identification #photographs #translation

neilan1
 

Can someone please I.D. the language. The word Pistrong means "trout", my paternal grandmother's surname. But the word, as written, does not appear with this type of spelling, in my Polish dictionary.
Thank you.
Neilan Stern
tracing Pistrong, Stern - Radomysl Wielki; Schwarz, Black - Nesvizh, Minsk; Aronov/wsky, Entes - Kovno Lithuania.
 
 
 
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(Australia) Thousands of Prison Portraits Captured in 15 jails Over 50 Years in Digital Archive #announcements #photographs #records

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

 

Tens of thousands of prison portraits captured in 15 jails over a 50-year period are now accessible in a remarkable online database.

 

In recent years the NSW State Archives digitized 46,000 images and collated them in an exhibition titled Captured: Portraits of Crime.

https://www.paperturn-view.com/nsw-state-archives/captured-portraits-of-crime-1870-1930?pid=MTQ14977&p=3

 

The searchable database may be accessed at:

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/node/1566/browse

 

In trying it out I used the name “Cohen” and a number of hits were received. For Henry Cohen it gave a prisoner’s photo, the jail (gaol) name, given and surname of inmate, date and place of birth, any alias the prisoner might have used and the date of the photo. On the record there is information on the person’s trade and religion as well as hair and eye color. There is also information on previous convictions.

 

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 


Postcard or Travel Document - Can you make anything of this? #translation

Daniel Gleek
 

Does anyone know what language this is written in?
..or what the document is
And can anyone translate any of it?
All I can make out is the year 1913!
Thank you,
Daniel Gleek in London
 
 
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Re: Good news for French research: 1931-1948 naturalization decrees online #announcements #france #records

Daniela Torsh
 

Bingo I found that my cousin Paul STRANSKY was a foreign volunteer in the French army under Laval. Marvellous.
Daniela Torsh
Sydney, Australia


Re: Records From Secret Vatican Archive Offer New Clues to Response to Holocaust #holocaust

Ittai Hershman
 

"Holy Silence" an excellent 72 minute documentary that was released earlier this year just before the archives were opened, includes Kertzer among others, and aims to be as dispassionate as one can be.  I saw it two weeks ago as part of the (virtual) Jewish Film Institute.  The trailer can be viewed at: https://vimeo.com/377128504.

See also the New York Times reporting on Kertzer's new find: https://nyti.ms/2YKfPjI

Apropos of Susan Gordon's comment, my wife and I happened to visit Rome on our way back from a wedding in Israel in late January, attended the Shabbat services in the Great Synagogue, and ate a lovely kosher dinner at Su'Ghetto on Via del Portico D’Ottavia (Primi: pasta w/ goose meat, and ravioli w/ sea bass and pears; Secondi: sweetbreads, and steak tartare).   In addition to the plaque, there are also several Stolpersteine on side streets.

Ittai Hershman
New York City


Paul STRANSKY Vienna to Paris #austria-czech #france

Daniela Torsh
 

I'm searching for any information about a distant cousin Paul STRANSKY. He
was born in Vienna 1905 to Else and Emil and somehow managed to leave
Austria and ended up living and working in Paris by 1946. He married a
French woman Catherine and they had two sons Patrice born 1948 and
Michel-Frederic born 1949.
Paul died in 1985 in France.
I am especially interested in the period between him leaving Vienna and
arriving in Paris. I assume he may have been in a camp somewhere?
Daniela Torsh
Sydney, Australia


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Jan Meisels Allen
 

In response to Jerri Friedman's post about no advance notice about Ancestry's eliminating DNA matches below a low threshold, I posted the following to this discussion group and the IAJGS Leadership Forum on July 31. I have no affiliation with Ancestry but was on a call to "select" posters/bloggers when they announced this and asked that it be shared.

I posted to this group on Friday July 31 about the Ancestry changes- when they delayed for one month from their original date giving people adequate time to mark those with less than 8.0 cM with notes or adding notes,  sending messages or adding them to a group. 

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

This was my original posting recouped from JewishGen's archives by looking through #DNA and the date.

ul 31   #647733  

 Jan Meisels Allen
Jul 31   #647733  


Recently Ancestry announced they were going to eliminate those “small” DNA matches, less than 6 cM. This caused quite a stir in the broader genealogical community.  As a result, Ancestry announced that they will delay removing the “small” DNA matches until late August.  If you want to save them, you can by adding notes,  sending messages or adding them to a group. Remember those with such small amounts of cM  may be “noise” or endogamy and not worth the time- the reason Ancestry plans to eliminate those matches.

 

Additional updates from Ancestry DNA include:

  • More accurate number of shared segments- available in early August
  • See the length of your longest shared segment—available mid-August
  • Distant DNA matches must share 8.0 cM or higher- available late August

 

For those researching Asia Polynesia, South Africa and Australia, Ancestry has updated their Ancestry DNA communities.  They now have, 20 Southeast Asian, 9 East Asian, 14 South Asian, 31 Oceanian, 2 African and 1 Central Asian & Russian community.

To read more about their update see:

https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2020/07/31/ancestry-unveils-updated-communities-for-members-with-ties-to-asia-polynesia-south-africa-australia/

 

I normally would not report on the updated communities but since I was reporting on the change of plan for small DNA matches I included this information.

 

I have no affiliation with Ancestry and am reporting this solely for the information of the reader.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 


 



Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Adam Turner
 

Only the 8.0 cM cutoff is a recent change. The bit about the shared matches was never announced because it is how AncestryDNA has always worked, at least since I tested.

Your main match list (the screen you are brought to when you click "DNA matches", which shows all of your matches) showed, and continues to show, all matches: everyone from "close family", "2nd-3rd cousins," "4th-6th cousins" (3500+ cM down to 20.0 cM) to "Distant Cousins" aka "5th-8th cousins" (20.0 cM down to 8.0 cM). The change that AncestryDNA made in August is that the cutoff used to go down to 6 cM, and they took out all matches between 6.0 and 8.0 cM. 

The shared matches tab is what you're brought to when you click on the profile of one of your matches, and are trying to triangulate the results and see other people who match both you and that match. This section has always had a cutoff of 20.0 cM; you cannot drill past 20.0 cM from this tab within a match's profile. But you could, and still can, see matches from 8-20 cM in your main match list. 

There's an interesting debate to be had on whether revising the cutoff from 6 cM to 8 cM was beneficial for users (apparently, until 2016, it used to go down as low as 5 cM), as well as the degree to which some of these changes are really motivated by the desire to improve accuracy, as opposed to AncestryDNA's engineers demanding this from within because their job of running a gigantic match database while minimizing bugs is hard. (Seen the "our backend servers are overtaxed at the moment" message lately? I know I have.) But they didn't take 8-20 cM matches out of Shared Matches; they were never there in the first place.

Adam Turner


Fannie Leibovitz, Goldstein,Kaufer, Stengel, Maiman #subcarpathia

Stuart Kaufer
 

My paternal grandmother was Fannie Leibovitz who came from Kiralyhaza born around 1885.  My cousin David Leibovitz, who was very involved with JewishGen, died several years ago at a much too young age.  He was the repository of much Leibovitz family information.   I am trying to sort out the connection between Jeno Eugene Jake Lebovitz and my GM.  Jake was David's GF and it appears that there were many Leibovitz siblings because there were 2 wives of Fannie's father.  I ahve found some information on Ancestry but there are so many of the same name I find it completely confusing.   If anyone can help I would be grateful.  As you can see, my GM was married 4 times, her first child with someone named Goldstein and my dad with Edward Kaufer.   Thanks much all.

Stuart Kaufer


Re: Need help narrowing search for US naturalization records #usa #records

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hi Mark - I'm replying to the group for the benefit of others who may also have an interest or roots in Canton, Ohio like myself.  We're fortunate that the Stark County Court's naturalization records have been digitized, indexed and placed online.  You can find and search them here - http://webnet.starkcountyohio.gov/Clerk_NatSearch/ .  I may have found your grandfather's and will message you privately.

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Teewinot
 

Update on Ancestry Situation:

I just got off the phone with corporate HQ. The man agreed with me and
is going to look into returning the shared DNA matches to the full 8.0
cM. I told him that to cut them off at 20 cM was ridiculous and
short-sighted. We had a long conversation, and I carefully explained to
him why even the very low cM matches are important. I told him I'm a
retired medical professional, so I understand about DNA and inheritance.
That seemed to carry some weight. So, that may be reversed. It's a
simple matter of re-writing the computer program.

I would suggest that everyone with an Ancestry DNA account call
corporate HQ and ask that they return the shared matches to the full
range down to 8.0 cM. The phone number is: 801-705-7000. It is in Salt
Lake City, Utah, which is in the Mountain Time Zone.

As for matches below 8.0 cM, I'm sorry to have to report that that data
has been dumped. I find that devastating.

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida


On 9/3/2020 1:57 PM, Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

Has any organized protest happened??? A coalition of groups should be
organized
asap, if that has not is not alreading happening.?? If not, customer group by
customer group should make a formal open communication to the
decision-makers at Ancestry.
What a short-sighted decision!?? Has JewishGen made a formal complaint?
Short-sighted to discard the fruits of the amazing technological
advancement that in some
cases is the only way to have made familial connection. Ancestry's very
existence is
based on a faith-based reason, leave-no-stone unturned approach to finding
as many of one's ancestors as possible. It's shocking that a
cost/benefit analysis would be holding sway.
Surely they can find a way to keep finding and retaining that level of
matching,retaining, and being creative
??in making that available, even if on a special, selective, on-demand
basis.
Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
PISTERMAN (Bessarabia/Northern Moldova), ROTH (Bessarabia/Northern
Moldova), ZOLOTOROV/SLOTOROFF (Chernigov / Kiev, Ukraine),
LEVINE(Michalovka, Minsk), CHARKOVSKY/SHARKOVSKY (Ukraine), BLAUSTEIN
(Ukraine), RIBNICK (Belarus), SHEINISS (Belarus), ROGOWITZ (Belarus),
ZYRO (Zabolitiv, Western Ukraine $ Poland), TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia,
Westerb Ukraine), LIMON (Bereshtiko,Volynia, Western Ukraine), TAU
(Ukraine), KRANTZ (Ukraine).
On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 10:27:05 AM PDT, Teewinot
<teewinot13@...> wrote:
Seven days ago, AncestryDNA make a drastic unannounced change to the way
they report shared DNA matches. They stopped showing *any* matches
below 20 cM This is devastating to many people, because many important
matches occur right below 20 cM.

Also, as of September 1st, they removed *all* matches below 8.0 cM.
This action was announced on the website They said that if you starred
a match, created groups and put the matches in them or sent them a note,
those matches would be preserved.

Apparently, I wasn't the only one who began frantically trying to save
every match they could, because, for the past week, the servers were
sluggish, kept crashing, and often went down for two hours or so at a
time. Ancestry finally had to post an apology and said they were
working on the problem. As of September 1st, when the change went into
effect, the servers were fully back to normal. I managed to save just
under 7,500 matches. I know there were many more I was unable to save
before the deadline, and wonder just what discoveries I've missed out on.

I had called AncestryDNA customer service to complain. The young man I
spoke to was shocked when I told him about the 20 cM limit on shared
matches. He told me that was never announced (no kidding!) and that the
customer service people weren't told about it either. (Unreal!) I also
told him that without the ability to see shared matches below 20 cM and
without the matches below 8.0 cM, I, and others, have very little hope
of being able to find out how more distant cousins are connected.

I told him I think I figured out a bit of a workaround, but it involves
an enormous amount more work, and both parties have to work together,
which means you'd have to contact every single person and gain their
cooperation for hours of work. This is totally insane!

I just discovered two distant cousins with many surnames in common, but
with these changes to AncestryDNA, we may never be able to find the
connection between us, and we really want to find it.

In all my years, I have never seen a business do such a thing. We all
paid for the data they gave us. Then they go and take the data away
from us!! No one asked *me* if I agreed to that! If they wanted to
make a change, they should have done it with new customers, and left us
old customers and our data and matching system alone!!

The young man in customer service filed two complaints for me. He also
gave me an email address to write to find out if the data was dumped or
stored somewhere. If it's stored, I want my data back!!

I wrote to the email address and got a "canned" response this morning.
I wrote them again, telling them I didn't appreciate that, and want my
questions answered.

I've also tried calling the corporate HQ, but no one answers. Probably
due to the pandemic. I will call again today.

I wanted to let you all know about this, because I'm discovering many
people had no idea these changes happened. They're quite upset when
they find out. AncestryDNA is nowhere near as useful as it was.

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
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CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)
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Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Anna Doggart
 

My cousin Miriam was known as Mura. She was born in Russian Empire, grew up in Berlin, then France and lived out her life in New York. So was Mura a Russian version? It took years for me to realise that her name was actually Miriam

Anna Doggart UK Researching FRIEDLAND HEIFETZ SCHWARZKOPF LEVIN MENDEL 


Re: Does anyone have information about last names #holocaust #poland #names

a.eatroff@...
 

I think that rule about not conscripting only sons was only valid in some countries (perhaps just Russia). My grandfather was drafted into the Austro-Hungarian army as a teen and he had no brothers.

Alicen Eatroff


Re: Viewmate 85183--translation needed--German #translation #germany

Peter Strauss
 

Joseph, the link actually brings up image 85181, not 85183.

Peter Strauss
Oakland CA


Searching Perl and Herman Katz from Munkacs #hungary #israel

Stuart Kaufer
 

Perl and Herman Katz resided in Munkacs, survived the war and sometime in the early 70's moved to Israel.  They are my cousins.  I am wondering if there is a contact person in the Jewish Comunity in Mukachevo currently?  Or if any one on this list knows the whereabouts of the Katz children today?   Thank you.

Stuart Kaufer


Document Translation Project adds lists from Krolevets 1888 #translation #ukraine

Beth Galleto
 

Dear fellow researchers,

Tax censuses (family lists) from Krolevets uezd (district) in 1888 have now been translated and transcribed as part of the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project. The Krolevets lists include 185 different surnames, which I have extracted and attached to this email. The original pages can be seen online on the FamilySearch website in FHL film 1222347, Item 9. 

Previously as part of this project we have translated tax censuses from the Glukhov, Starodub, Konotop, Mglin, Oster, and Borzna uezds in 1882, from film 1222346 and additional censuses from the Mglin uezd in 1882 from film 1222347. This work is possible because of generous donations from so many who are interested in records from the former Chernigov gubernia.

Those who donate $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project on the JewishGen website are eligible to view the completed spreadsheets before they are uploaded to the website. Please contact me with proof of your donation if you want to see any of the spreadsheets as listed above. All donations of any size are appreciated and will continue to advance the project. You can donate through the following link: 

https://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=22

The information from the translation spreadsheets will be uploaded to the JewishGen website at some point in the future. Some have already been uploaded and may be searched by name. They are classified on the JewishGen website as Revision Lists, although they are slightly different from a Revision List (another type of Russian census).

I hope you are all getting a lot of online genealogy research done while staying safe.

Best wishes,

Beth Galleto
Project Leader

 


Re: Need help narrowing search for US naturalization records #usa #records

Barbara Ellman
 

Mark Horowitz is searching for his grandfather's naturalization.  No first name was provided.  Apparently from the writing, he lived in Ohio.
 
After 1927, naturalizations had to be issued in Federal Court.  The index cards for the District Court of Northern Ohio are online at FamilySearch.
 
They are not indexed, with a little effort the Horowitz naturalizations begin at image 2641 of

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HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland


Looking for lost husband of Pauline (Perl) SESSLER #austria-czech #usa

pschwartz999@...
 

Pauline(Perl) SESSLER (mother was Raizel SHILLER) was born in 1867 in Tluste, Austria or nearby and married Hersh SPINNER(aka Hersh KNEIZER) born around 1860.  She immigrated to NYC in 1921 and by the 1930 census was listed as a widow using the SESSLER name.  Where were they married and when did he die? Were they divorced?  She’s buried in Beth David, Elmont on March 22, 1943.  Hersh was the son of Eli KNEIZER and Eli’s other sons (Meier and Joseph) used the SPINNER name.  This is the brick wall I’m trying to crack.  Can’t seem to make headway in Tluste now Tovste, Ukraine nor in the US.  Hersh has disappeared!!!!!   The marriage is interesting since Hersh was my grandfather (Meier SPINNER)’s brother and Pauline (Perl) SESSLER was the sister of my grandmother Simi SESSLER. Simi appeared to use her mother’s last name SHILLER.  I’m thinking children carried mother’s surname since most marriages were religious, not civil.  I’m really struggling with this.  Any suggestions would really help.......


Paula Spinner Schwartz
AVON, CT

Tluste (SPINNER, SESSLER, SIEBENBERG, SHILLER, SCHECTER)

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