My great-grandparents on my mother's side of the family were Nathan and Rita (Ritta) Goldenzweig who lived in Bucharest, Romania. I cannot find any reference to them on JewishGen or on MyHeritage.com / Ancestry.com. They had two children, a daughter Sylvia (1893-1972) and a son Sergiu (1896-?) who may have changed his name to Godeanu for political reasons.
Both Nathan and Rita would have been born when Romania was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, but of course I don't know if they were born in Romania.
Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Stefan Kurbanowski

Replying to David Rosen suggestion regarding Cewice:

Cewice (Zewitz) was not in Poland prior to the end of WWII. This region: Pomorze (German: Pomerania) was allocated by USSR to Poland as the compensation for the lost lands in the East.
It appears that the suggested by me town name Cewkow might be also incorrect since according to Jef, the searched locality should be located within Rozan (Ostroleka region) vicinity.
The suggested Cewkow location is in historical Galicia.

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

I got tired of scrolling looking for these - so I went to the shared cM tab and put in 19 cM to 20 cM and they opened right up.  Everything above 8 is still there.  I am personally having problems finding where 99.9% of my larger matches fit in my tree.  


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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com

Daniela,

Have you contacted Paul's grandson, Nicolas Frédéric Jan Stransky  ?  https://www.geni.com/people/Nicolas-Stransky/6000000010877743587

Peter Lowe

My mistake, Joseph.  The second email does bring up the correct one.
Sorry about that.
And also sorry that I can't begin to make out that handwriting.
Good luck!
Peter Strauss

Hi. I'm a member of the Local History of Sullivan County, NY group on Facebook, so I put the question to them. The only suggestion that came back was that Ginsburg & Klausner were real estate agents, as there are apparently a lot of transactions for them on Google. Hope that helps!

April French
London, UK
piebrand@...
ZEIKOWITZ: Nemerov/Nemeroff, Podlia Gubernia, Russia (now Nemyriv, Vinnytsia, Ukraine)
ORENTLICH (ORENDLICH, ORENDLICHMAN, ORENDLICHMANN): Mariiampil/Mariyampil, Ukraine (formerly Marynopil, Russia) 
JACKSIER/JACKSON (DZIEKSIER, DZECKCIER, ZECHEIER, JEKSIN, SECHZIN): Strusow, Austria (now Strusiv, Ukraine) & Iwanowka (aka Janow), Austria (now Dolyna, Ukraine)

Maybe Cewice

http://www.fallingrain.com/world/PL/82/Cewice.html

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Trying to find the siblings of Harry SCHWARTZ (1887 in Zanekhov, Ukraine).  May have lived in Mogilev-Podolsky.

 

His parents were Joseph SCHWARTZ (1885-1941) and Belen (Bela) PILDERWEIS SCHWARTZ (1867-1954). Both immigrated to USA and lived in the Bronx, NY. Joseph immigrated in 1909.  According to the census there were several siblings:

Clara who married Isidor ROITER

Abraham (immigrated in 1908)

Anna

Rachel

Beryl

 

Joseph and Bela divorced at some point, although both are buried at United Hebrew Cemetery on Staten Island, NY.  Original name might have been Schwartzman.

 

We believe that Abraham and other siblings lived in Brooklyn from at least 1940 on.  Harry and Abraham were both furrier operators.

 

Any help with an impossible search on this surname would be appreciated.

 

Paula Schwartz

AVON, CT

 

Mogilev Podolski, Ukraine (Schwartz, Schwartzman)

A fascinating story.  I am not an expert in this area but I have to think records from the Red Army at that time were (a) not so good (b) hard to find. and (c) still secret, so I don't like your chances; but will be hopeful to see what you may turn up.
Robert Roth
Kingston NY

I thought i was the only one fighting for the loss of the 6-7.9 cM. i complained the day the notice came out and shared with some others. Many were thankful and a few tried to tell me it was just noise. I know it is not because i have a line on my non-Jewish side that i can trace back 10 generations. One day I saw a surname in a distant match and she had a larger tree. i could follow her tree to meet exactly where they were supposed to....6th cousins.  I was stunned because originally i understood that these results were unreliable.  

Fast forward. I had made a couple more matches similarly but my Jewish lines were harder to prove due to paper trails before North America being harder to document. But wait there is more. We all know that Jewish Genealogy is a special search requiring a some basic understandings of endogamy, name changes, migration patterns, geographical name changes, generic terms like 'Russia' Or 'Austria' which could mean Belarus or Hungary.  

Because i have both adoption in one generation and an NPE at the next, I do not have the luxury of starting with the myself and going backwards. Most genealogist presume that inductive reasoning is the principal method of searching. This technique worked fine on other lines because i had data to fill in.  On my Jewish line i had nothing.  I could not use inductive reasoning.  I had to find clues and even that was not good enough.  Yes I had experience in breaking down other really tough walls in my other research but still i had the luxury of moving up the tree. 

So for those of us who have missing parents or grandparents identities through the holocaust, NPE's or adoption, this methodology will not work. You may get lucky and have a breakthrough but it will not be because you had information available to you about missing tree members. 

In these cases we have to parachute into the top of the tree and start climbing our way down. if the top of the tree is shaved off, we are stuck in limbo.  But after reading the support of people who wrote in, it is not just people with my issues but there is a broader range of researchers who realize the additional information that is stored in the distant past. 

I know not everyone agrees. I have had people who told me that this was 'just noise'.  Noise may be at the 1 to 2% level and it is a nice buzz word but i once thought that there was little reliability at this level and through evidence I found on my own, I have changed my position. I was wrong. In the last few weeks when my wrists got sore and my eyes blurred while i spent hours per day documenting as many distant matches as i physically could, I learned something I have not been able to find in my closer matches. I was able to separate my great grandparents and figure out that my Great Grandmother was Litvak and my Great Grandfather was Galician. That was a huge breakthrough and i could color code it.

Secondly i was able to find an entire line that could be documented to a closer cousin hence strengthen the jump to my tree.  I am still breaking down the wall and i know if i still had the 6 to 7.9 cM i would have a better chance at resolution. DNA has helped me determine a surname I am seeking. I was looking for the wrong name in the wrong place for years before DNA.  Closer DNA matches allowed this discovery. 

I am in support of all those who want to have the DNA reinstated.  I believe it was the contract we agreed upon for submitting DNA though they say these agreements can be changed on their part at any time. A one way street. It can't hurt those who do not care so it is a non issue. Maybe there could be an opportunity for those who do not care for it to have an off button so their 6-8 cM matches are not downloaded to their account. I would not have an issue with that. 

I hope we can fight to get the information back. You made some difference because they did delay the deletion by at least four weeks at one point. It was not adequate for me to cover all the areas i was trying to save.

No voice is acceptance. One voice is heard, many voices are answered. (one way or another).

Susan Gardner

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Daniela Torsh wrote:

Paul STRANSKY

Dear Daniela, 
I have made a small mistake, the date of the decree is 8 October 1946 - not 13.

please find below the decree number 51755 x 38   (the last digits stand for 1938)


 
last step is to request to the (French) Archives Nationales the physical access to the file

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Regards,
David Choukroun

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI

Not to beat a dead horse :~), but I have some thoughts on other people's replies ....

Pisztráng is indeed Hungarian for "trout".

While it is an unrelated language, Hungarian shares quite a bit of stray vocabulary with its Slavic neighbors. Many of these words are food-related: káposzta (cabbage), kolbász (sausage), cseresznye (sweet cherry), kása (porridge), mák (poppy seed), rák (crab), szalonna (bacon), vacsora (supper).

The crossbar on the Z is simply how that letter is written, I think to differentiate from the number 2.

Given the color photograph, the price has to be in forints, but I haven't been able to find a currency converter for the 1950s-60s. (Circa 1980 you got about 33 forints to the dollar, which would make for some very expensive fish.)

Julia Szent-Györgyi
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Dear Daniela, 

a quick look at the "Journal Officiel de la République Française" under Gallica.fr is saying that there is a Naturalisation file  (date of the decree 13 october 1946)

a recent update of the online resources is now allowing to search for the decree number.  

with the decree number, you can ask for the File itself (the process is a little bit complicated).

within this file, you may have further information about the move from Vienna to Paris and most of the time after 1936, a picture will be included (not guarantee !) 



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Regards,
David Choukroun

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI

My grand uncle Simon Taganski survived in Paris.  Some of my uncles visited him when WWII was over.  Would love to know how he survived as well.

Iris Folkson

This is most probably place Cewkow (Tsevkuv) in Cieszanow district. There are two entries for this location in JGFF database.
This town had 2,700 residents, including 135 Jewish souls registered during 1921 census


Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

Personally I do not find small segments of any use whatsoever, as they go so far back in time that they are unreliable, and give faulty results. It is the 20cm plus which are the key to finding recent ancestors. Unfortunately Ancestry only records total cm length and not individual chromosome cm length so their data has to be uploaded to Gedmatch or another supplier like  FTDNA, 23andme,MyHeritage to get this information. 

However, I agree 20cm could be seen as a high cut off - I would prefer say 15 cm, but this would need to go hand in hand with Ancestry giving its customers individual chromosome lengths like all the other suppliers.  

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

just addition:
it may mean not "8th klass...", but
"8-years ... college",
Sorry,
Josef ASH