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Gedcom versions? #general

June Genis
 

I asked a relative in Israel to send me a gedcom of her tree on MyHeritage.  She asked me whether I wanted version 5.5 or 5.5.1.  This the first time I have heard about there being versions of gedcoms.  I want to load her tree onto Ancestry to connect it with mine.  Which should I ask her to send me? I might also want to load it to Gedmatch.
 
June Genis
Hemet, CA
 


Re: Ides Selzer Morgenstern #galicia

Sherri Bobish
 


Milton,

Have you searched for records from Trembowla at:
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Ukraine/

Also, try searching surname SELZER at FamilySearch and/or Ancestry database, and put Trembowla in birthplace field.

Also, do the same search with Trembowla in residence field.

Try both an exact and soundex search on the town name.  Town names in U.S. records often had variant spellings.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

JoAnne Goldberg
 

I for one am happy they got rid of all the noise. My 250,000 matches
have now been pared to a much more manageable 180,000. More
significantly, it seems -- perhaps my imagination? -- that the matches
are loading faster because the system isn't plowing through so many of
them. I wish Ancestry offered more options for customizing, but, baby
steps.

I do appreciate that tiny segments can have value, but since you can't
see chromosomes on Ancestry, you can't really triangulate. Though I use
the Shared Matches a lot, it's never clear what I'm looking at since I
can't tell if they share with each other. 23andMe is much better in that
regard.

Because my German side is well documented, Ancestry often points out
fifth and sixth cousins to me, people with whom I share minute amounts
of DNA, way down in the 100,000s on my list.  But do we share that DNA
because we have the same 7xgreat-grandparents? Or because most Jews are
related a few different ways? I tend to think it's the latter, and
without additional info from Ancestry, I have no reason to believe
otherwise. I'd rather focus on my top ten mystery matches, and the more
tools Ancestry can provide in that regard -- largest segment size has
been a huge help -- the better!
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


My uncle Mendel Wolf BLAU & Mordka BLAU from Kolbuszowa #galicia

P Berk
 

Seeking information about my uncle Mendel Wolf BLAU born Mar 7, 1891 in Kolbuszowa Poland.  My mother says she met her uncle Mendel in London after the war on her way to America.  I have found no record of him in London.
My aunt, mother's sister, completed a Daf Eid with Yad Vashem that Mendel and his daughter Rivkah died in a concentration camp in Poland.   My aunt went to Palestine in 1936 and would not have had 1st hand information about what happened during the holocaust.  I found no mention of Mendel in the US holocaust database of victims.
My aunt wrote the date of birth as 1899 which was closer to the day of birth to Mordka Blau born Jan 13, 1898 in Kolbuzowa. 
Their mother was Chana Golda Blau, father Schlomo KIra. 
Any information about Mendel, Rivkah, Mordka, and any family they might have had is most appreciated.

Peretz Berk
New York NY




Researching my great-uncle Sergiu Godeanu #romania

skurbanowski@...
 

My great uncle on my mother's side was Sergiu Godeanu (born Goldenzweig in Bucharest, Romania in 1896). I have found only one reference to a Sergiu Godeanu here on JewishGen and nowhere else.
I know that he was imprisoned for being a political activist as well as being Jewish, and the reference states that there was a Sergiu Godeanu at Targu Jiu internment camp in the 1940s / 1950s. I do not know why he changed his name.
When he was released (date?) he emigrated to Israel and lived in Bat Yam, near Tel Aviv. I do not know when he died.
Any more information would be greatly appreciated.
Stefan Kurbanowski


Re: Searching Perl and Herman Katz from Munkacs #hungary #israel

Ludwig Mauskopf
 

Hi Stuart
There is a group on the Facebook:  Jews from Мукачево-Munkács-Mukačevo-Munkatsh 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/218852678140904

You can try to post this question there.

Best regards and Git Shabbos

Ludwig Mauskopf.


Researching my great-grandparents Goldenzweig #romania

skurbanowski@...
 

My great-grandparents on my mother's side of the family were Nathan and Rita (Ritta) Goldenzweig who lived in Bucharest, Romania. I cannot find any reference to them on JewishGen or on MyHeritage.com / Ancestry.com. They had two children, a daughter Sylvia (1893-1972) and a son Sergiu (1896-?) who may have changed his name to Godeanu for political reasons.
Both Nathan and Rita would have been born when Romania was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, but of course I don't know if they were born in Romania.
Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Stefan Kurbanowski


Re: Polish town Cewck or Cewek #poland

Alexander Sharon
 

Replying to David Rosen suggestion regarding Cewice:

Cewice (Zewitz) was not in Poland prior to the end of WWII. This region: Pomorze (German: Pomerania) was allocated by USSR to Poland as the compensation for the lost lands in the East.
It appears that the suggested by me town name Cewkow might be also incorrect since according to Jef, the searched locality should be located within Rozan (Ostroleka region) vicinity.
The suggested Cewkow location is in historical Galicia.

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

I got tired of scrolling looking for these - so I went to the shared cM tab and put in 19 cM to 20 cM and they opened right up.  Everything above 8 is still there.  I am personally having problems finding where 99.9% of my larger matches fit in my tree.  


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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Paul STRANSKY Vienna to Paris #austria-czech #france

Peter Lowe
 

Daniela,

Have you contacted Paul's grandson, Nicolas Frédéric Jan Stransky  ?  https://www.geni.com/people/Nicolas-Stransky/6000000010877743587

Peter Lowe


Re: Viewmate 85183--translation needed--German #translation #germany

Peter Strauss
 

My mistake, Joseph.  The second email does bring up the correct one.
Sorry about that.
And also sorry that I can't begin to make out that handwriting.
Good luck!
Peter Strauss


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland

Bruce Drake
 

“When the month of Elul arrives, you immediately sense the special atmosphere that has enveloped the town, the atmosphere of the approaching Yamim Noraim, or Days of Awe.”
So begins “On the Holidays,” a chapter from the Yizkor book of Golub-Dobrzyn, Poland, It seems appropriate for this first week of September when hearts and minds of Jews around the world turn to the upcoming High Holy Days. This account traces the change of mood that comes upon the town and how the sense of Judgment Day “places its mark upon every single person.” It moves through the prayers of Rosh Hashana to the solemnity of Yom Kippur. And when the fast day is over, the mood begins to change. “It is as if even the street looks different: the light of a full moon casts a glow over it, chasing the shadows away, as if it wishes to announce a renewed life.” Finally, there is Simchat Torah. The writer of this excerpt tells us: “Anyone who has not seen Simchat Torah being celebrated in the town has never seen true joy.”


Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD


Re: What was Ginsburg & Klausner, S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills) not listed as hotel #usa

piebrand@...
 

Hi. I'm a member of the Local History of Sullivan County, NY group on Facebook, so I put the question to them. The only suggestion that came back was that Ginsburg & Klausner were real estate agents, as there are apparently a lot of transactions for them on Google. Hope that helps!

April French
London, UK
piebrand@...
ZEIKOWITZ: Nemerov/Nemeroff, Podlia Gubernia, Russia (now Nemyriv, Vinnytsia, Ukraine)
ORENTLICH (ORENDLICH, ORENDLICHMAN, ORENDLICHMANN): Mariiampil/Mariyampil, Ukraine (formerly Marynopil, Russia) 
JACKSIER/JACKSON (DZIEKSIER, DZECKCIER, ZECHEIER, JEKSIN, SECHZIN): Strusow, Austria (now Strusiv, Ukraine) & Iwanowka (aka Janow), Austria (now Dolyna, Ukraine)


Re: Polish town Cewck or Cewek #poland

Susan&David
 

Maybe Cewice

http://www.fallingrain.com/world/PL/82/Cewice.html

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 9/3/2020 11:34 PM, jef barnett via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

On a ship’s manifest the city of birth was noted as Cewck ( could be Cewek) Poland . Any ideas what the town this was referring to? I expected the birth town to be Rozan so it might be very close 
Jef Barnett
BANDRYMER, KRASKA , BULMAN, GROSSMAN, GRUNZPAN, NOWAK,and all spelling variations


Finding siblings of Harry Schwartz in Brooklyn?? #bessarabia #usa

pschwartz999@...
 

Trying to find the siblings of Harry SCHWARTZ (1887 in Zanekhov, Ukraine).  May have lived in Mogilev-Podolsky.

 

His parents were Joseph SCHWARTZ (1885-1941) and Belen (Bela) PILDERWEIS SCHWARTZ (1867-1954). Both immigrated to USA and lived in the Bronx, NY. Joseph immigrated in 1909.  According to the census there were several siblings:

Clara who married Isidor ROITER

Abraham (immigrated in 1908)

Anna

Rachel

Beryl

 

Joseph and Bela divorced at some point, although both are buried at United Hebrew Cemetery on Staten Island, NY.  Original name might have been Schwartzman.

 

We believe that Abraham and other siblings lived in Brooklyn from at least 1940 on.  Harry and Abraham were both furrier operators.

 

Any help with an impossible search on this surname would be appreciated.

 

Paula Schwartz

AVON, CT

 

Mogilev Podolski, Ukraine (Schwartz, Schwartzman)


Wysoker Surname #names #poland

Philip Freidenreich
 

My maternal grandfather was Aron Eliyahu Wysoker, but he was born in Wysokie Litovsk in 1891.  I've always understood that families never took the surname of the town in which they lived.  His father was HaRav Yakov Meir HaKohen and his mother was Bryna.  According to family lore, his father was the official Rabbi of Wysokie Litovsk in the late 1800s.  My grandfather served in either Pilsudski's Legion or in the Russian army in 1918-1919. He was not an officer.  Because his two siblings who came to the US in 1920-1921, one male and one unmarried female, also bore the surname Wysoker, it seems unlikely that he changed his surname to try to hide the fact that he was Jewish.  So I am trying to figure out the inconsistency between the general rule and the surname.
 
Phil
 
Philip Freidenreich
JewishGen Researcher #1797
pfreidenreich@...
Yardley, PA
 
Researching WYSOKER, FRAJDENRAJCH, HOROWICZ (from Mieleyczyce) 


Re: Looking for info about Russian emigres who returned to fight for the Bolsheviks in 1917 #records #russia #canada #usa

rroth@...
 

A fascinating story.  I am not an expert in this area but I have to think records from the Red Army at that time were (a) not so good (b) hard to find. and (c) still secret, so I don't like your chances; but will be hopeful to see what you may turn up.
Robert Roth
Kingston NY


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

manderlie@...
 

I thought i was the only one fighting for the loss of the 6-7.9 cM. i complained the day the notice came out and shared with some others. Many were thankful and a few tried to tell me it was just noise. I know it is not because i have a line on my non-Jewish side that i can trace back 10 generations. One day I saw a surname in a distant match and she had a larger tree. i could follow her tree to meet exactly where they were supposed to....6th cousins.  I was stunned because originally i understood that these results were unreliable.  

Fast forward. I had made a couple more matches similarly but my Jewish lines were harder to prove due to paper trails before North America being harder to document. But wait there is more. We all know that Jewish Genealogy is a special search requiring a some basic understandings of endogamy, name changes, migration patterns, geographical name changes, generic terms like 'Russia' Or 'Austria' which could mean Belarus or Hungary.  

Because i have both adoption in one generation and an NPE at the next, I do not have the luxury of starting with the myself and going backwards. Most genealogist presume that inductive reasoning is the principal method of searching. This technique worked fine on other lines because i had data to fill in.  On my Jewish line i had nothing.  I could not use inductive reasoning.  I had to find clues and even that was not good enough.  Yes I had experience in breaking down other really tough walls in my other research but still i had the luxury of moving up the tree. 

So for those of us who have missing parents or grandparents identities through the holocaust, NPE's or adoption, this methodology will not work. You may get lucky and have a breakthrough but it will not be because you had information available to you about missing tree members. 

In these cases we have to parachute into the top of the tree and start climbing our way down. if the top of the tree is shaved off, we are stuck in limbo.  But after reading the support of people who wrote in, it is not just people with my issues but there is a broader range of researchers who realize the additional information that is stored in the distant past. 

I know not everyone agrees. I have had people who told me that this was 'just noise'.  Noise may be at the 1 to 2% level and it is a nice buzz word but i once thought that there was little reliability at this level and through evidence I found on my own, I have changed my position. I was wrong. In the last few weeks when my wrists got sore and my eyes blurred while i spent hours per day documenting as many distant matches as i physically could, I learned something I have not been able to find in my closer matches. I was able to separate my great grandparents and figure out that my Great Grandmother was Litvak and my Great Grandfather was Galician. That was a huge breakthrough and i could color code it.

Secondly i was able to find an entire line that could be documented to a closer cousin hence strengthen the jump to my tree.  I am still breaking down the wall and i know if i still had the 6 to 7.9 cM i would have a better chance at resolution. DNA has helped me determine a surname I am seeking. I was looking for the wrong name in the wrong place for years before DNA.  Closer DNA matches allowed this discovery. 

I am in support of all those who want to have the DNA reinstated.  I believe it was the contract we agreed upon for submitting DNA though they say these agreements can be changed on their part at any time. A one way street. It can't hurt those who do not care so it is a non issue. Maybe there could be an opportunity for those who do not care for it to have an off button so their 6-8 cM matches are not downloaded to their account. I would not have an issue with that. 

I hope we can fight to get the information back. You made some difference because they did delay the deletion by at least four weeks at one point. It was not adequate for me to cover all the areas i was trying to save.

No voice is acceptance. One voice is heard, many voices are answered. (one way or another).

Susan Gardner


Re: Paul STRANSKY Vienna to Paris #austria-czech #france

David Choukroun
 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Daniela Torsh wrote:
Paul STRANSKY
Dear Daniela, 
I have made a small mistake, the date of the decree is 8 October 1946 - not 13.

please find below the decree number 51755 x 38   (the last digits stand for 1938)


 
last step is to request to the (French) Archives Nationales the physical access to the file

--
Regards,
David Choukroun

david.choukroun@...
FRANCE

CHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI


Re: Photo for language identification #photographs #translation

JPmiaou@...
 

Not to beat a dead horse :~), but I have some thoughts on other people's replies ....

Pisztráng is indeed Hungarian for "trout".

While it is an unrelated language, Hungarian shares quite a bit of stray vocabulary with its Slavic neighbors. Many of these words are food-related: káposzta (cabbage), kolbász (sausage), cseresznye (sweet cherry), kása (porridge), mák (poppy seed), rák (crab), szalonna (bacon), vacsora (supper).

The crossbar on the Z is simply how that letter is written, I think to differentiate from the number 2.

Given the color photograph, the price has to be in forints, but I haven't been able to find a currency converter for the 1950s-60s. (Circa 1980 you got about 33 forints to the dollar, which would make for some very expensive fish.)

Julia Szent-Györgyi
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