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Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Ellen Lukas Kahn
 

 

 Hi JoAnne,

I read your post on Jewish Gen and wanted to contact you.  I have done genealogy for over 40 years, searching for both my own and my late husband’s ancestors, all of whom lived for centuries in Germany.  We are first generation Americans.

I have been able to go back on one side to 1685, and found many close connections within our families who lived the same areas of Germany, so I do believe you are correct as to your remark that most Jews in Germany are related a few different ways.

My husband’s paternal side lived in very small villages in Western Germany along the Mosel River just east of Trier, his mother’s family lived just south of there in the Hünsruck mountain range.  My father’s maternal side resided closer to Koblenz in the Rhineland, his paternal ancestors lived further north in small towns near Düsseldorf, and my mother’s family lived in small towns in Wurttemberg such as Schwäbisch Hall and Crailsheim.

I have tried to focus my research going back in time rather than continue to try to contact the hundreds of people who show up on pages and pages of the DNA results. None of the ones I contact were related to us.

 

Of the surnames you posted, there is one name you listed that is familiar to me.  It is HARFF.  My father’s cousin Ella Kahn married Louis Harf who was born on 10 May 1879.  They both perished in the Holocaust.

I look forward to hearing from you and perhaps share information.

 

 

Ellen Lukas Kahn

Homewood, IL

 

 


Re: Are the C-Files from the USCIS worth getting? #general

Teewinot
 

Hi Nancy,

You'd be better off requesting the A-File which contains every document
your ancestor filled out since arriving in the country, including the
naturalization file. Also, don't waste your money. File a FOIA
request. You get the first 2 hours of research and the first 100 pages
for free. Signing the request means you agree to pay up to $25.00 if
they go over the above. I doubt it will. Depending on the situation,
you may get some really interesting information. My grandmother's file
had photos, fingerprints, mentions of other relatives, places of
employment, etc. Go here to start the process:

https://www.uscis.gov/records/request-records-through-the-freedom-of-information-act-or-privacy-act

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno,
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)


On 9/4/2020 4:33 PM, N. Summers via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

I'm thinking about requesting some C=Files ('C' means the Certificate of
Naturalization number) from the US Customs and Immigration Service
before their fees increase. Are the files likely to have anything
interesting in them? I have found the DOI, Cert. of Arrival, Petition
and Naturalization Certificate for many of my relatives on Ancestry.
Will there be additional docs in the files?

thank you
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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

*FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER,
SAGORODER/ZAGORODER* (_Radziwillow_, Belarus/Ukraine; _Ostrog_,
Poland/Belarus; _Warsaw_, Poland; _Wolinsky_, Russia/Ukraine)

*LISS / ALPER*(_Motol_, Russia/Belarus)

*LEAF / LIFSCHITZ* ( _Rechitsa_, Belarus)
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Re: Naturalizations France #france

Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Dear detectives,
This forum is a very powerful tool and when you have a question, always ask you if there isn't already a reply somewhere...
Use hashtag or key words to recover past answers.

One of my last July's posts answered all you need to access reference and ask for a copy of French naturalization files of your ancestors :  
I write it again : these files contain from 20 to 40 pages describing incumbent's life...

Sorry for Tsuri : as far as I know, naturalization files for which naturalization had been denied haven't be archived.

Search also posts of David Choukroun for older naturalization archives (before 1931) and others tips.

Khavershaft
Bernard Flam
Medem Center Paris


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Max Heffler
 

I am amazed that any Ashkenazi have success at total less than 200 cM. I have been autosomal testing well over a decade and don’t waste time below totals of 200 cM unless there are strong name/place connections. Under 200 cM I have spent much time and had no success so I stopped trying years ago. I have found the 23andMe, Ancestry and MyHeritage relative mapping tools to  be helpful in a number of cases. I am experimenting with yourfamily.dna but have spent way too much time and had no success.

 

Max Heffler

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of karen.silver@... via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

 

I am afraid that most of us are not very sophisticated when analyzing their DNA matches.  While I can match all my first and second cousins, I can only match 7 out of 56 third cousins.  The matches on my mother's side often share commonality with the matches on my father's side.  So there is no way to discern how these people are related to me.

 

I am very sorry for those who feel they are being hurt by Ancestry's decision.  But I want to remind you that Ancestry is a business and you have other choices for storing and matching your DNA like GEDmatch.

 

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Bergrath family - Cologne, Germany #germany

Mary Henderson
 

Hi, all!

I am trying to determine the parents, and family, of Johann G
Bergrath, who is in the Cologne 1920 Directory at 53 Dunnwalder Str.
in Mulheim, with an occupation of restaurateur. Also at the same
address is Georg Bergrath, who I believe may be Johann's son. Johann
is at the same address in 1925, but Georg is no longer in the same
household.

I'm not finding much in the usual, general genealogy databases -
Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on good
resources that would be specific to the Cologne area, or a good
starting place for German resources that might reveal more about this
family?

Thank you!

Mary Henderson


Re: Paul STRANSKY Vienna to Paris #austria-czech #france

Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Daniela,
Concerning Paul, I can add these facts :
  • he was Austrian : thus he was citizen of a foe when WWII started on 1939, September 2nd
  • he was surely obliged to register and be detained in a French camp for German and Austrian citizen, I add immediately a camp with light rules (my Austrian-Galizianer GF & uncle were also there and I have pictures of them in this light detention of fall 1939 ).
  • Foreign Jews could leave these camps if they enrolled themselves in French Foreign Legion, as my GF & uncle did.
  • You can find 2 lists including Paul on this French Army web site : https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/arkotheque/client/mdh/engages_volontaires_etrangers/resus_rech.php
  • Just type "Stransky" as name, Paul and Joseph appear. I attach Paul's documents.
  • During "phoney war" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War) most of German and Austrian Legionnaires were sent in North Africa French departments (Algeria, Tunisia), so they couldn't be fighting directly against German troops.
  • You can hope to get Paul's Foreign Legion file at https://www.legion-etrangere.com/mdl/page.php?id=305&titre=Le-Bureau-des-anciens, your letter must be in French as it's our national and sole language : nobody is perfect...
  • David gave you all informations to get copy of Paul's naturalization file : it should be a reason why a 1st decree of 1938 (ref 51755 x 38) wasn't officially published (perhaps due to rising concerns with 3rd Reich, Munich's treaty, etc..) and Paul had to wait (being still alive...) 1946. Obviously his enrollment had been a good reason in his file.
  • I write it again : a French naturalization file contains about 20 to 40 documents with important informations about the incumbent's life. 
  • "White pages" are available in France, specially when you search a not so common name as Stransky :https://annuaire.118712.fr/?s=stransky
    A person called Patrice is second in list...
Khavershaft
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund, Workmen Circle) of France


Searching Friedman #holocaust #romania

Stuart Kaufer
 

Attached is a photo of my great grandmother and her children.  I do not know her name.  The man in the picture is my great uncle David Friedman.  All were killed in Auschwitz.  I am hoping someone else on this list recognizes the picture and can tell me about them.  Thank you.

Stuart Kaufer


Re: Passenger-list name interpretation #names #translation

Diane Jacobs
 

He is going to daughter and sil
Mare or More Lauren,  Louron or Louton
Or similar spelling.

Diane Jacobs



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-------- Original message --------
From: David Brostoff <davbro@...>
Date: 9/4/20 5:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Passenger-list name interpretation #names #translation

I have posted an image from a passenger list of the S.S. Palatia, arriving in New York on July 20, 1900.
<https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85216>

I would be grateful to know the name of the son-in-law Simchon Brostow is going to (line 8).

The same destination person is in the passenger list showing Simchon's daughter Masche (line 20) in another image I posted.
<https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85217>

Thank you,

David Brostoff
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: What does "Hebr Jarg" mean when written on a passenger manifest? #general #records #yiddish

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Hebrew Jargon  - Literally Hebrew, but in actuality Yiddish, 
                             b/c Hebrew was reserved for worship and study of religious text.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Sep 4, 2020, at 1:24 PM, N. Summers via groups.jewishgen.org <summ1=verizon.net@...> wrote:

I have seen 2 passenger manifests this week which have the words "Hebr Jarg" written in the column for Mother Tongue. What does this mean? Is it a reference to Yiddish?
thank you

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)_,_._,



Passenger-list name interpretation #names #translation

David Brostoff
 

I have posted an image from a passenger list of the S.S. Palatia, arriving in New York on July 20, 1900.
<https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85216>

I would be grateful to know the name of the son-in-law Simchon Brostow is going to (line 8).

The same destination person is in the passenger list showing Simchon's daughter Masche (line 20) in another image I posted.
<https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85217>

Thank you,

David Brostoff


Re: Help Finding Listing/Ads/Pictures of Lodz Shoe Store, early 1900s #poland #lodz

Robert Murowchick
 

There's an interesting publication (in Polish), with some 1930s photos, "Footwear in the Collections of the Museum of Warsaw" at this link https://muzeumwarszawy.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Da%E2%95%A0%C4%98browska-obuwie.pdf
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Robert Murowchick    <robertmurowchick AT gmail.com>
Needham, MA

Researching these family links:
MUROWCHICK/MURAWCHICK/MURAWCZYK etc (David-Gorodok, Belarus, New Jersey, Chicago)
KUNECK/KONIK/KYONIK (Kozhan-Gorodok, Belarus)
EPSTEIN/EPSTINE (Gavish/Gavieze, Liepaja, Latvia)
SEGAL/SIEGEL (Tilsit, Koenigsburg, Germany; Baltimore; Chicago)


Mereminski Mereminsky Slonim #general #belarus

Nancy Wolf <lordmacduff1@...>
 

I would like any information regarding the Mereminski family of Slonim. Especially regartding Julius (Jude, Leib) Mereminski and his children Benjamin (born ca. 1906, wife Figa, and two sons) and Leiha. Last know residence was Slonim .Julius's other children ,Moishe, Sore and Samuel, immigrated to the USA.

Nancy Wolf


Are the C-Files from the USCIS worth getting? #general

N. Summers
 

I'm thinking about requesting some C=Files ('C' means the Certificate of Naturalization number) from the US Customs and Immigration Service before their fees increase. Are the files likely to have anything interesting in them? I have found the DOI, Cert. of Arrival, Petition and Naturalization Certificate for many of my relatives on Ancestry. Will there be additional docs in the files?

thank you
--

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


Brothers WEINER marry sisters HYMAN in Philly; Seeking Details. #romania

Leonard Schwab
 

Itzik WEINER b ca 1881 (Romania) married Pauline HYMAN b ca 1880 (Romania).  Hersh ("Harry") WEINER b ca 1886 (Romania) married Tillie HYMAN b ca 1890 (Romania).  Both marriages in Philadelphia.  Have no exact B/M/D dates, and no info on who arranged the matches, name of the rabbi, synagogue, etc.  Also seeking more complete data on siblings, parents and towns of origin in Romania.  I have a fair amount of descendant data but little ancestor data.
Thanks,
Leonard M. Schwab
Greenland, NH


What does "Hebr Jarg" mean when written on a passenger manifest? #general #records #yiddish

N. Summers
 

I have seen 2 passenger manifests this week which have the words "Hebr Jarg" written in the column for Mother Tongue. What does this mean? Is it a reference to Yiddish?
thank you
--

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


ROTTENSTREICH - Czernowitz - Berlin - Belgium #germany

Rony Golan
 

Dear friends,

I am looking for Julius ROTTENSTREICH born in 1905 in Czernowitz. He moved to Berlin and lived there during the 1930s.

He then moved to Belgium.

If you have any information regarding him or his family, please reply privately.

Thank you!

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Rony Golan
Ramat HaSharon, Israel

SEARCHING: KRMARUTSKY, KRIVORUCHKI, Kaunas, Lithuania
                        EISDORFER, Hungary
                        SLOMOVITS, Sighet, Romania


Mereminski Mereminsky Slonim #belarus

lordmacduff1@...
 

I would like any information regarding the Mereminski family from Slonim. Especially regarding Julius (Jude, Leib) Mereminski and his children Leiha and Benjamin (b. Ca 1906). Benjamin's wife was Figa. Benjamin and Figa had two sons. Last known residence was Slonim. Other children were Morris, Sonia and Samuel who immigrated to the USA.
Nancy Wolf
 
 
 


Re: Polish town Cewck or Cewek #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Jef,

If you think that Cewek is near Rozan than try this search. 
Go to:
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp
and, search for Rozan.
Then look at the page for Rozan and see all the towns listed within a 30 mile radius.  See if one of those towns could be Cewek. 

Keep in mind that most towns had name variants in several languages, including Yiddish.  Clicking on the town name in the radius list will take you to a page that lists all the town name variants.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Fannie Leibovitz, Goldstein,Kaufer, Stengel, Maiman #subcarpathia

Sherri Bobish
 


Stuart,

Try searching Leibovitz on Ancestry, and put Kiralyhaza in the field for birthplace.

Then try putting Kiralyhaza in the search field for residence.  That can give you different hits.

Also, try a soundex search on surname, so it will find alternate spellings, i.e. Leibowitz, etc.

The same is true for the town name.  Odds are good that Kiralyhaza would end up with variant spellings in U.S. records.

The same search can be done at FamilySearch, and will sometimes come up with different hits.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

karen.silver@juno.com
 

I am afraid that most of us are not very sophisticated when analyzing their DNA matches.  While I can match all my first and second cousins, I can only match 7 out of 56 third cousins.  The matches on my mother's side often share commonality with the matches on my father's side.  So there is no way to discern how these people are related to me.
 
I am very sorry for those who feel they are being hurt by Ancestry's decision.  But I want to remind you that Ancestry is a business and you have other choices for storing and matching your DNA like GEDmatch.
 

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