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Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

Susan stone
 


What would be the best way to preserve all of the data in print that would be efficient and clear, but not as a book? Something serviceable, but not necessarily smooth and pretty!  (This foregoing is another thing that has keep me up at night!) Any advice from you or anyone else on this question would be welcome.  

Re electronic genealogies, I believe that Family Search would be the best bet for attempting to preserve genealogies digitally because of its institutional affiliation with the Mormon church.  The Church has been, and I think is likely to continue to be a more stable entity than any online company--commercial companies come and go, but major religions tend to stick around longer.   Also, because of genealogy's central role in Mormonism the motivation for making sure the data is protected and continues to be available and accessible is greater than that of commercial enterprises.

Erika...Everything you said is what I am thinking about...a book is static.  But it's better than nothing to give to relatives.  AND..what a conundrum about printing portions for each part of my tree!  I have Ancestry.com famiy tree but I think I will add it to Family Search.  Here's something I never thought I would have to say..."I hope the Mormons are around a long, long time!".

Susan Stone
Evanston, IL
Re: Brothers WEINER marry sisters HYMAN in Philly; Seeking Details. #romania

The Becker's Email
 

Here is the link to Isaac's naturalization papers:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPTZ-3CPW?i=835&cc=1913395&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQGRS-LB4S

Harry married Tillie Hymovitz on 1 Aug. 1907  in Philadelphia.  Here's the link to the marriage records.   There are 3 images and you will have to advance the frame.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZFY-JG?i=1312&cc=2466357

I think Isaac and Pauline may have married before arriving in Philadelphia.  The 1910 census has that they have been married 11 years which puts the marriage c. 1899.  

Also note that dates of birth are inconsistent.  Different documents have different dates.

Johanna Becker
Re: My uncle Mendel Wolf BLAU & Mordka BLAU from Kolbuszowa #galicia

Barbara L. Kornblau
 

Peretz,

You may want to check out our "Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG)" on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/132941687303829. One of our members might have more information for you

Barbara Kornblau
Co-administrator of the Facebook group
Blitzers, Siegel, and Allweiss from Kobuszowa....
Locating derivative citizenship record of minor whose parent naturalized in 1905. #records

e_zimmer@...
 

I found on Ancestry a copy of my great-grandfather's (Isaak Sand) naturalization records from the District Court of the United States for the Eastern District of New York, dated December 1,1905. Attached to the court records is a slip of paper with the names of three of his 10 children who filed a derivative application for their own certificate of citizenship in 1946 and 1947. One of the applicants was my grandmother, Esther Sand Frank, who was born in Lodz, Poland and was a minor child when her father was naturalized in1905. The derivative application is dated June 24, 1946 with a file no. 0300 - 121726.

I would like to obtain my grandmother's records. I am not sure if I am applying for her C-file or if she would have one. Where I should apply? Do I need to file an genealogical index request with USCIS as the original naturalization was over 100 years ago (but it was before 1906 ) or can I file a FOIA request since my grandmother's derivative application was made in 1946?  Also I am not sure if it is pertinent, but in 1913 my great grandfather applied for and received a passport for himself and his "minor child", Esther Sand (she was 20 years old at the time). I have a record of them returning from Europe about a month after the passport was issued. Both were listed on the manifest as US citizens.  I have already checked on Ancestry, the "Subject Index to Correspondence and Case Files of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1903-1952. NARA microfilm publication T458" and found nothing. Thank you for your help.

Elaine Zimmer
Re: Naturalizations France #france

Bernard Flam
 

From Paris to Tsuri,
WWII started 1939, September 2nd.
Phoney war ended in May 1940 when Hitler invaded Belgium, Nederlands then France (Blitzkrieg, May 10th - June 14th).
On June 14th, Nazis entered Paris.
This was an end to the Republican and democratic state and Petain obtained full power from Parliament.
As soon as July 22nd, an antisemitic law had been passed to "de-naturalize" foreign Jews who had been naturalized by 1927 law.
This law gave an easy access to French citizenship, a way to repopulate France after WWI : 1.5 millions KIA, some millions of wounded and disabled persons.

In fact, about 15.000 Jewish citizens lost their French nationality, from ca 100.000  new Jewish citizens from 1919 to 1939.
Of course, no new naturalizations were given to Jews during this period.
Last but not the least : this de-naturalization applied also to children born in France from these foreign parents. 
But in our nation, from French Revolution, we benefit of "jus solis", you are automatically French when you are born on French soil.
These children had no other nationality than being French : by this de-naturalization, they became stateless !

Paris had been liberated on 1944, ca August 25th.
A law passed on October (France had been fully liberated only during 1945 spring) automatically reestablished  French citizenship to de-naturalized Jews.

For person who had filled a naturalization file before WWII without being accepted, this file is the "basis" of their inquiry after WWII : this is a proof that these files had been kept for some years  (I am sure of that, it had been my father's case and I could copy his documents given in 1939 in his 1948' final file).

I guess that files which hadn't been claimed for a new inquiry after some years, had been destroyed.
In their Finding Aids, National Archives explain there is no list, no index.

You surely know this : in genealogy, there no answer to question you don't ask !
If you give me, by private reply, your father-in-law identity, I could do some searches, I am a full volunteer and I manage the Jewish genealogy workshop of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring of France.

Khavershaft
Bernard Flam
Re: Brothers WEINER marry sisters HYMAN in Philly; Seeking Details. #romania

Sherri Bobish
 


Leonard,

There is a Harry WEINER (wife Tillie, daughter Rose) who naturalized in Philly.  The papers give both Harry and Tillie's towns of birth, and other info.

Here is a link to the nat papers on FamilySearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PTZ-Q8DL?i=186&cc=1913395&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQGB1-PMWN

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Re: Looking for info about Russian emigres who returned to fight for the Bolsheviks in 1917 #records #russia #canada #usa

erikagottfried53@...
 

You might reach out to Daniel Soyer, an historian who’s written extensively on American Jewish history and Jewish immigration and also did a study on American Jews who visited the Soviet Union in the 20s and 30s ("Back to the Future: American Jews Visit the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s."Jewish Social Studies. Volume 6, Number 3, Spring/Summer 2000, pp. 124-159) to see if he has any suggestions.  He teaches at Fordham University.  Also, there is a discussion list for historians of American Communism
(H-HOAC); perhaps you could place a query there.

Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey
Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Peter Straus
 

The GEDmatch website solicits participants from the various DNA search firms.  I have found them quite  useful, both for the tools they offer and as an alternative to subscribing to every DNA search firm.  (My native DNA site is ftDNA.)  I don’t know if GEDmatch offers any solution to the experiences on Ancestry that initiated this thread, but they may if the unprocessed source data can still be accessed.

--peter straus 

   San Francs
Re: Looking for Israeli relatives #israel

Diane Jacobs
 

When I wanted to find family in Israel,
I asked on the jewishgen 
Discussion group for help finding a person.
With only her name, the I found her and called to tell who was looking for her.
The rest us history and I was able to visit 
the family in Israel and it was a wonderful
Experience. We are still in touch.

Diane Jacobs

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: Robin Klainbard <rlbvilla@...>
Date: 9/5/20 2:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Looking for Israeli relatives #israel

I am somewhat baffled on how to proceed with my search for my Israeli relatives. Many years ago I met my cousin Zev Altbaum(Altboim) when he was here in the US (after being injured in '67 war)for some treatment. After my paternal Grandmother died I didn't know how to reach out as she was the contact person. I have through research and recently found photos figured out that his Mother(Rachel Gal Altbaum) was my Great Grandmothers sisters daughter. I have some pictures of Rachel and I believe her Mother. I know there is a family tree on My Heritage for the Gal family in Israel that I think has her info but I can't access it unless I join. I already have annual membership in another genealogical site and really don't wish to pay for another. I see that the owner of the tree is Avi Gal. But I am stuck. Is there any way to get information about Avi Gal so I could email him. I believe the family lived in Petach Tikva. Any suggestions are very appreciated.

Robin Klainbard
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
LOOK-UP? Passaic, NY, USA, GURTMAN, Henry, 1899-1973/Dora, 1899-1958 [POLAND] #usa #poland

Michael McTeer
 

Looking for possible 1958/1973 obits. Couple had lived in Passaic, New Jersey but are buried in Clifton.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170382440/dora-gurtman
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170382449/henry-gurtman

I am trying to confirm if "Henry" GURTMAN, 13 Dec 1899-9 Dec 1973, buried King Solomon Memorial Park, Clifton, Passaic Co., New Jersey along with his wife, Dora, 15 Sep 1899-16 Jan 1958 is a member of the Szymko Szymon GURTMAN, b. 1861 and Sura Zelda BOGOMLNA(?), b. 1866 family that connects to KOPLIWICZ/LENCZNER relatives. Henry would be Chil Idel GURTMAN, b. 13 Dec 1899, Szczekociny, Poland and "Dora" his wife, Drejzla RUBINSKI, b. 15 Feb 1898, Jedrzejow. Chil is listed with his parents, siblings and wife in the "Books of Residents" for Szczekociny along with a son, Menachem GURTMAN, b. 25 Mar 1924. According to the Arolsen Archives, Chil, wife, Dora and son, "Michael" and his wife Amalia survived the war and went to the US (### Sherman St., Passaic St. New Jersey). "Max" GURTMAN has 1930/1940 Census listings at this address. Believe "Max" is probably Henry's brother Mendel, b. 1887, Kiev.

A circ. 1916 Lodz Registration Card for brother, Nojech. 1889, is marked "3 Jan 1921 Ameryki". There are 1921 New York passenger listings for Noach and his wife, Chawa Rywka ERLICHMAN going to her sister, Bessie CAPLON, #### Broadway, Schenectady, New York. It is possible that their parents, Szymon & Sura Zelda were also in the US (buried in Saddle Brook, Bergen Co., New Jersey?).

Chil's sister Rae Ruchla, b. 1892, married "Harry" (Abram Hersz) KOPLOWITZ and immigrated to St. Louis, MO. Harry's mother, Brucha (LENCZNER) KOPLOWICZ was sister to my great grandmother.

Thanks, Michael McTeer, Crowley, TX, USA

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SEEKING:KALKOPF, FRYMORGEN, RESZKE, GRYNBAUM (Zarki, Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Poland); LENCZNER, GLIKSMAN, KOPLOWICZ, TRAJMAN (Szczekociny, Poland)
Origin of surname: GALATIN #ukraine #names

galatin@...
 

My father CHARLES GALATIN was born in  in BERESTECHKO in 1907 in what is now Ukraine. I think the family then moved to ROVNO from where they possibly travelled via Odessa to the U.K. in 1911. 
Has anyone any information on our surname? Could it be related to the town of GALATI in Roumania?

Jeff Galatin
Home for Children, Antwerp c. 1947 #general

lesliefloyd44@...
 

I have two cousins, since deceased, who traveled to Philadelphia, PA (US) in 1947 to live with my grandparents. They were 13 1/2 and 9 1/2 years old when they arrived in the US.

I have a record that indicates that the younger son moved from Frankfurt to Brussels with his parents in 1939-1942. I don't have evidence that the older brother moved with them, but I also have no reason to doubt it. The boys' parents and older sister were deported from Brussels to Auschwitz in 1942 where they perished.

I have no idea where the two boys spent the war and how they survived. Their ship's register says that their nearest relative or friend in their most recent location was the Home for Children, 22, Lange van Ruysbroekstr., Antwerp.

Can anyone tell me anything about the Home for Children? Is it possible that they were there during the war, safe from deportation? Did the Home open after the war?

I have searched online Arolsen records, Ancestry, FamilySearch, Yad Vashem and Kazerne Dossin.

I welcome any and all information and suggestions.

Leslie Floyd
Re: Photo for language identification #photographs #translation

paveanyu@...
 

Dear All                                                                               5th September 2020

PISZTRANG is indeed a Hungarian word--name of a fish

As for the letter ' Z'   -- not crossed,-- to my knowledge it was 'crossed' in the 'old' Hungarian witting but not during my school years in Hungary/Budapest after the war.

Best wishes to All.

Veronika Pachtinger
London UK.
Re: Are the C-Files from the USCIS worth getting? #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The USCIS rates do not increase until October 2nd. Marjorie said the rates increased.That is incorrect as they do not for another several weeks. So if you are planning to order records this is the time to do so.  This was announced last November when they proposed the rate increase and again July 31 when the final rule was published and again last month as a reminder of the October 2 date for increased fees.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records  Access Monitoring Committee
Re: Gedcom versions? #general

peggyfreedman@...
 

Once again, Wikipedia to the rescue!  Found this in the Wikipedia articleon the topic "GEDCOM"


I think you should check on the Ancestry website to see if they say which version of GEDCOM they accept.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, GA USA

Re: Are the C-Files from the USCIS worth getting? #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

I'm curious: has anyone successfully gotten records for ancestors who
immigrated in the 1880s (pre-Ellis)? According to what I see online, the
first US Office of Immigration was founded after that. I'm wondering how
much effort I should invest in trying to obtain records if there would
have been no records!
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JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 
Re: Where did "Katya" come from? #ukraine #yiddish #russia #names

David Mason
 

In Russian, Катя (“Katya”) is the most common diminutive of Екатерина (“Catherine”). 

 

Being subject to pogroms as well as official discrimination, Jews apparently assumed conventional Russian names as disguise.  For example the family I’m trying to reconnect were branded “class enemies” in the time of Stalin, so they moved from Kiev region in Ukraine to Omsk, Siberia and changed the surname from Kagan (Cohen).  I heard this chapter of family history from “Aleksandr Mikhailovich Suvorov” which is about as Russian a name as one could possibly invent!

 

Emigrants to America apparently have felt freer to be more openly Jewish.

 

David Mason

 
Re: What port when leaving Europe #hungary

susiekrumholz@...
 

My family all came, many separately different years, through Rotterdam.

Susie Krumholz
Re: Are the C-Files from the USCIS worth getting? #general

Marjorie Geiser
 

I couldn't find my grandfather's sister's naturalization papers at all, which were from 1945. As a result, I requested an index search, then ordered both records the USCIS found. I did this last year. Because they had just announced calls for comments prior to their rate increase, it took about 3 months, and when they were complete, I did get a CD with the records. Two bits of information I did get as a result was a picture of her and exactly where she was born, which I couldn't find anywhere else.

Would I do it now? No. Back then, the total cost was $195, which I thought was excessive. Now that the rates have increased, I would go without.

Margie Geiser
Arizona USA

LEVINE/LEWIN, SILBERNAGEL/ZYLBERNAGEL/SILVER, EPSTEJN/EPSTEIN, MOCZYDLOWER/MOCHEDLOVER, ERLICH, GRUNPELTZ, JOSKOWICZ, ZYLBERSZTEJN, SZTABINSKA, WILK
Looking for Israeli relatives #israel

Robin Klainbard
 

I am somewhat baffled on how to proceed with my search for my Israeli relatives. Many years ago I met my cousin Zev Altbaum(Altboim) when he was here in the US (after being injured in '67 war)for some treatment. After my paternal Grandmother died I didn't know how to reach out as she was the contact person. I have through research and recently found photos figured out that his Mother(Rachel Gal Altbaum) was my Great Grandmothers sisters daughter. I have some pictures of Rachel and I believe her Mother. I know there is a family tree on My Heritage for the Gal family in Israel that I think has her info but I can't access it unless I join. I already have annual membership in another genealogical site and really don't wish to pay for another. I see that the owner of the tree is Avi Gal. But I am stuck. Is there any way to get information about Avi Gal so I could email him. I believe the family lived in Petach Tikva. Any suggestions are very appreciated.

Robin Klainbard
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