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Re: DATZ and SATZ Families from Mogilev-Podol'sk #ukraine

cohen.izzy@...
 

When the sound of a letter changes, the members of a language community have a choice. They can keep the original spelling and accept the change in sound or they can respell words including names to retain, as nearly as possible, the original sound. It is not unusual for both of these processes to occur.

In 1950 at the time of my bar-mitzvah, the conservative and reform congregations in the USA made a political decision to adopt Israeli pronunciation. Most Ashkenazi orthodox congregations did not do this. Among conservative and reform Jews, the sound of the Hebrew letter sof became T and the name of the Sabbath became shaBAT. Among most of the orthodox it remained SHAbos.

In ancient times, the Hebrew letter shin had a dental D/T-sound. The Hebrew word SHeN (tooth) is cognate with Latin dent- and Greek δόντι (dónti). The Hebrew word LaSHoN (tongue) is cognate with the word "Latin", the "tongue" of the Romans.

So, when the sound of the letter shin changed to S or SH, some families kept the original spelling and accepted the new sound. Others changed that letter to a dalet to retain the original dental sound .

You are correct about Shatz also being a phonetically related name.

For a more extensive (but still not complete) list of ancient sound changes to Hebrew letters, see the attached SoundChangeHandOut file. You may treat this material as public domain except for the graphic (which I did not make) in the attached Word docx file.

Israel "Izzy" Cohen
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Re: Circular (radial) Descendant Family Tree --looking for digital program or website that can create this #general

Carol Hoffman
 

MyHeritage enables it.
Carol Hoffman
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Re: Circular (radial) Descendant Family Tree --looking for digital program or website that can create this #general

Awesome Properties
 

Will Family Tree Maker print in Hebrew? Can it also produce a 10 generation fan chart?
Rachel Malik
HERSHKOWITS Hosszurev and Ileanda FRIEDMAN Marghita And Oradea
TESZLER Birsanif and Marghita


Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

rebasolomon
 

48 Hour Sale at Forever.com #general

Forever.com offers a Free 2mb account that I have been playing with. They offer storage for digitized photos (.jpg .tif .gif .png +more) documents (.pdf +more) interviews and videos. It is very user friendly. I love the ease of importing/exporting, adding tags and metadata, and organizational abilities, and their mini-turorials. I was up and running with no roadblocks. They include a small photoediting program that can add text to a photo, for naming individuals.

Check out their “deals” section. I got $15 credit for signing up and am seriously looking at buying (one time fee) 25GB storage for me and my families for $200 for 100+ years!  This includes perpetual care conversIons as .jpg, .pdf et’c become obsolete. They also offer suites of additional services to aid in many types of presentations. With diversification in mind, this handles one major area of concern, my sources, photos, and history of the people and places in my Trees. 

I have not yet pulled the trigger so if anyone knows of a downside to this, please reply. 
Thanks
Reba Harris Solomon


Re: Looking for Israeli relatives #israel

Brentsi
 

Shalom Robin,
In the meantime I find in the Israel telephone book (online in Hebrew)
two people with the surname Altbaum living in Netanya.
I can write privately with the information.
Brenda Habshush.Sde Boker. Israel.


Re: JRI Poland Where is SOBOCIE? #poland

YOEL437@...
 

YOEL DRORI  .  POLIN  .SOBOTA. LOWICZ.    REGION  LODZ 
    משפחה של סבתא  שלי  מי סובוטא  קלסקה  רחל    KALSKA  RACHEL


Re: Correct Marriage Date & Place - Jakob TORTEN & Lea Grünberg #austria-czech #galicia

Johann Hammer
 

Hi Helen,
Jakob Torten and Lea Grünberg actually got married in Vienna in 1915.

You can find the marriage on FamilySearch (IKG Vienna, Marriages 1915, Leopoldstadt, IKG signature 257, fol. 124, row 369, FS film no. 5274199, image 138 of 750):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81KF-S2B?i=137&cat=196164

Jacob was 47 and Lea was 41 years old and both were registered as widowed.

Kind regards,
Johann Hammer
genealogyaustria.com


Translation of old German script records #translation #germany

Barbara & David Israel
 

Who or where is the best place to get help with old german script hand written records translated?

Barbara Israel
Tempe, AZ
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ViewMate translation request - Polish - Gelberg family of Kozienice #translation #poland

ofer@...
 

The document is the family of my grand grandparents. Chaskiel GELBERG and Marya Gelberg nee BORENSZTEIN . 
I'm interested in the names of the people in this document. 
I'm also interested in the other columns but their names and parents and the remarks regarding them.

It is on ViewMate at the following address:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85292
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much,  Best regards,

Ofer Cornfeld


Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

Barbara Algaze
 

You might consider

Beit Hatfutsot: Museum of the Jewish People in Tel Aviv.  I am sure that they will be around for a very long time.
Barbara Algaze


ViewMate translation request #translation

Lee Jaffe
 

I've posted pages from a record book in Russian for which I need a translation.I've posted 4 pages on ViewMate at the following addresses ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85272
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85273
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85274
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85275
A response to a previous posting identified the owner as Yankel Joroff.  I'd like any information about home or family that can be gleaned from these pages.
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much for any help you can provide.

Lee Jaffe


Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation #russia #poland

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello everyone,
I've posted 4 vital records in Russian for which I need translations. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses ...

1.  Birth Record of Hersz WAJSBLECH:  https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM85032&data=02%7C01%7C%7C8d438e1953104e79915808d852b0922b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637350265597749313&sdata=oZTdUCWAkT3YfQtUif99xAaDbQp%2B7%2BupcwaVKzib3pY%3D&reserved=0

2.  Death Record of Dawid WAJSBLECH:  https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM85193&data=02%7C01%7C%7C83c08554487c4855f67e08d852b16e75%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637350269294405279&sdata=57mokO118%2FgkelaLKeHeCpnxanmrC4A1WdqfifpmNyg%3D&reserved=0

3.  Marriage Record of Sender WAJSBLECH and Frajda BRAJTBRYK:  https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM85346&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5910dc2a077f4f24e34b08d852b320e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637350276583656286&sdata=lOLqnfxwyPgxRegehbNaATEXPEQveZNN%2F1xdEXjSqnI%3D&reserved=0

4.  Marriage Record of WAJSBLECH and LEFLER:  https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM85347&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce41870cc9fb24cbc2f5608d852b3252e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637350276654113317&sdata=wxn3CnBSy3f6c61wL%2BiRUY8YM5p5%2FUMpmJOVsdzERkg%3D&reserved=0

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Greg Tuckman
Phoenix, AZ


Re: Circular (radial) Descendant Family Tree --looking for digital program or website that can create this #general

Jeff Miller
 

My FamilyTreeMaker 2017 software does this.

Jeff Miller


Three ViewMate translation requests - German #translation #germany

Friedman, H George
 

I've posted three vital records in German for which I need translations. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85351
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85352
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85353
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
George Friedman
Champaign, IL, USA


ViewMate - Assistance Interpreting information found in Kutno Books of Residents #translation

Dave Orens
 

I recently found relatives in the scanned copy of the Kutno Book of Residents that I located on the Polish State Archives website (https://szukajwarchiwach.pl).  I am looking for help interpreting some of the script.   It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85315
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
David Orens


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish #translation

Teewinot
 

Hi Cousins,

I have posted four vital records in Polish for which I'd appreciate
translations. They can be found here:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85296

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85297

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85313

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85329

Please respond via the form on the ViewMate page. Thanks so much!

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno,
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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ViewMate Translation Request - Russian #translation

Teewinot
 

Hi Cousins,

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I'd appreciate a
translation. It can be found here:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85295

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate page. Thank you so
much!

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno,
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Re: Where did "Katya" come from? #ukraine #yiddish #russia #names

Simon Zelman
 

Most Jews in Ukraine, starting around the late 1800s, had a Russian name that they would go by in dealings with the state and with non-Jews (and starting in the 1910s-1920s, with Jews as well). The Yiddish name was usually reserved for the immediate family. My great-grandmother was born Udel, registered as Adelya as her Russian name, and went by Olya (nickname for Olga) with most people, including her grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Girsh would go by Grisha (a nickname for Grigoriy), Khaim would become Yefim, Yankel would be Yakov and therefore Yasha as the nickname, Moishe would be Misha (a nickname for Mikhail), my grandfather Rakhmiel goes by Misha as well. All to say that Gitel was your great-grandmother’s Yiddish name and Katya was most likely the name she went by (but she didn’t necessarily go by Yekaterina ever, the name for which Katya is a nickname).

Simon Zelman
San Francisco, CA


Re: Another finding among Bessarabia records - Service Form List #bessarabia #ukraine #records #translation

Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
 

Hi Yefin,

On behalf of all of us, I spologize for just reading with interest, but not responding
to your sharing the new information that's been found and added.  

These new sources of organized information are important to us,  For sure!  

All information you find fits together. In time, more and more of it will become apparent, 
as more and more information  is uncovered and discovered.  

It's with sincere, heart-felt gratitude that we learn of each new set of information and its status and the progress in general.

The Bessarabian SIG is incredibly lucky to have as the coordinator, leading the group.  

Thank you so much and thanks to Jewish Gen for providing the real and vitual home and structure 
for the research and communication to and among all of us of what is being researched and accomplished. 

Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
San Diego


PISTERMAN (Otaki/Atiki/Utik, Soroki, Bessarabia/Northern Moldova), ROTH (Otaki/Atiki, Bessarabia/Northern
Moldova), ZOLOTOROV/SLOTOROFF (Chernigov / Kiev, Ukraine), LEVINE(Michalovka (near Chernobyl), Ukraine; Minsk), 
CHARKOVSKY/SHARKOVSKY (Ukraine), BLAUSTEIN (Ukraine), RIBNICK (Sharashova (Sherishow), Grodno gubernia, Belarus), 
SHEINISS (Sharashova, Grodno,Belarus), ROGOWITZ (Sharashova, Grodno Gubernia, Belarus), 
ZYRO (Zabolotiv, Sniatyn, Galicia,Western Ukraine and Poland; 
Szczebreszyn/Lublin guberniaPoland), TESLER (Horokhiv, Wolyn,Western Ukraine), 
LIMON (Berestechko, Horochiv, Wolyn, Western Ukraine), TAU (Zabolotiv, Ukraine), TAL (Kibbutz Gat, Israel); 
KRANTZ (Ukraine), GLUSKIN (Ukraine), 



"If a man will not seek knowledge, it will not seek him." 

- Anonymous Yiddish saying quoted in the 25th Anniversary commemorative book of the American Brotherhood of Moghileff, published ca.1926. (posted with other bons mots on the website of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois: websitehttps://www.jgsi.org/resources/Documents/American%20Brotherhood%20of%20Moghileff%20Cover%20and%20109%20thru%20100.pdf).   





On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 01:12:20 PM PDT, Yefim Kogan via groups.jewishgen.org <yefimk=verizon.net@...> wrote:


Hello Researchers,

Does anyone read this initial message? 
It seems that I am writing, but I do not have any idea even if this message was read, or what our members think about such records.  Maybe we do not need such records?!

It is really puzzling me what really people are looking for.

I planned to write about at least two more recent findings, but now I am not sure.
I believe that we need your feed back. Without it, it is hard to continue.  It is not that we need to see that you like or not, but we need more details, of WHY you like or you do not.
It is not just about this message.   It would be great to hear from you about our Monthly reports, other postings...  and please post it right here, not personally to me.  Ask questions, give new ideas, suggestions...

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia Research Leader and Coordinator

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ZOLOTOROV (Chernigov, Ukraine; Kiev, Ukraine);
SLOTOROFF (Kiev, Ukraine)
CHARKOVSKY or SHARKOVSKY(Ukraine);
LEVINE (Ukraine and Minsk, Belarus);
GLUSKIN (Ukraine)
LIMON (Berestechko, Volynia, Ukraine)
TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Ukraine)
ZYRO (Zabolativ, Ukraine) 
TAU (Zalolativ, Ukraine)
PISTERMAN (Ukraine)
ROTH / ROT (Ataki, Bessarabia, Moldova)
BLAUSTEIN (Chernigov, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus)


Re: Another finding among Bessarabia records - Service Form List #bessarabia #ukraine #records #translation

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello Researchers,

Does anyone read this initial message? 
It seems that I am writing, but I do not have any idea even if this message was read, or what our members think about such records.  Maybe we do not need such records?!

It is really puzzling me what really people are looking for.

I planned to write about at least two more recent findings, but now I am not sure.
I believe that we need your feed back. Without it, it is hard to continue.  It is not that we need to see that you like or not, but we need more details, of WHY you like or you do not.
It is not just about this message.   It would be great to hear from you about our Monthly reports, other postings...  and please post it right here, not personally to me.  Ask questions, give new ideas, suggestions...

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia Research Leader and Coordinator

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