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Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"A painter then is the same as a painter now, somebody that puts paint on a surface.  It didn't matter if it was applied inside or outside a building or to a canvas on an easel.  If the person were a rabbi, the manifest would list his profession as a teacher."

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the Christian clerks who wrote the records did not consider rabbis teachers, but ministers or priests of the 'old religion'. In Poland teachers were bakalarz or nauczyciel, and rabbis were duchowny, clergymen.

But yes, a painter is a painter, outside, inside, wherever.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

Barbara Ellman
 

My grandfather and his brothers were in real estate in NYC with many apartment buildings.  The brothers employed all of their relatives as they arrived as shmirers (house painters).  The relatives worked as painters until they could establish themselves in another buisiness.



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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine
HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland


ViewMate - Hebrew translation - 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records Cause of Death#ukraine #translation

Barry E Chernick
 

ViewMate - Hebrew translation - 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records
Cause of Death#ukraine
I have posted 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records I need the Cause of
Death translated.
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85293
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85294
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Barry Chernick


Re: DNA mtDNA - Newly found Jewish Cousins - Research advice needed #dna

Molly Staub
 

Hi Agne, I test as 100% Ashkenazic Jewish, but I have found links to Syria (relatives seeking religious freedom who emigrated to my father's native town in Bessarabia in the 19th century), Brazil and Argentina (relatives fleeing Russian pogroms who settled in South America in the 20th Century), China (formerly from Russia in the 20th century probably pursuing economic opportunities), and Australia and New Zealand (from a branch that had settled in Great Britain originally from Russia). I suggest you follow every possibility; that's what makes genealogy research such fun! And why they call  us "wandering Jews."

Molly Staub


Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

tom
 

my late father used to refer to "ship painters" - a mildly derisive term for people who decided that they were "painters" during the voyage to america.


....... tom klein, toronto


At 13:49 -0700 8/9/20, main@... wrote:

My grandfather was a religious scholar in Lutsk i.e. as far as I know , he did not have a marketable skill when he arrived in the U.S. in 1902 . Eventually, he worked with others as a house painter , I don't know if that was inside or outside , but my father told me that he didn't make much money because he was always taking time off for the yom-toyvim or to daven during the day . On all the documents such as census etc . his profession was listed as " painter " . However , I just noticed that on his ship manifest his profession was also listed as "painter " .

Some cousins have speculated that he was a " portrait painter " in Lutsk . I doubt that , not only because the rabbis frowned upon painting the human form , but also because it was not a good way to make a living .

When I looked at other ship manifests , I noticed that there were a lot of people who put down their professions as "painter" . This leads to me to believe that American relatives had told people that "painter" was an acceptable profession for the American immigration authorities . I can't believe that there were so many Marc Chagalls among Eastern European Jews .

Does anyone know what " painter" was likely to mean to Americans and Jewish immigrants in the early part of the 20th century and if it was indeed a profession that relatives told new emigrants to use ?
--
Henry H. Carrey

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....... tom klein, toronto


Re: Help to Take down a family tree created with FT Maker #general #records

mab@...
 

Jefferey -

In order to offer advice, it would be good to know exactly where this tree is posted.   Can you go to the website and look at the URL and let us know what it starts with?  (For example, the URL for a tree posted on Ancestry will start with ancestry.com or www.ancestry.com.

- Miriam Alexander Baker


Bloch Family from Raslavice #hungary

F. Zappa
 

I am researching the Bloch family from Raslavice Hungary.  My entire family migrated to the USA by the early 1900s.  I am particularly interested in the early history of Judah (Julius) Bloch, married to Lotti Gottdiener Bloch.  Lotti's parents were Isak Nathan Gottdiener and Gertrude "Kati" Stern Gottdiener.

The Bloch family migrated to Ohio and most, to Cleveland.

What I am particularly interested in is Judah's parents.  According to my records, Judah Bloch was born in Zalobin (Zsalobina.)  At 16 years of age (1869), he was staying with a Stern family in varanno (Vranov) and two possibilities are that his mother passed and the Sterns took him in, or that he was at that location to study the Torah as his eventual profession was as a Scribe.  His father is listed as a David Bloch and his mother's name is unknown.  Judah has a sister named Anna Bloch, who married into the Milder family.  And in some records, Judah and Anna are listed as children of the above named Isaak and Gertrude Gottdiener.

My family is curious about events during Judah and Anna's early life.  Unfortunately nobody in the current Bloch family has any knowledge of this time frame.
 
Russell Bloch
Metro Detroit, Michigan
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There's still time to register for tomorrow's (9/9) sephardic genealogy webinar #announcements #events

Moriah Amit
 

Family History Today: Portuguese Citizenship - Reconnecting with your Sephardic Iberian Ancestors

Wednesday, September 9, 3 PM ET

While Spain has ended its Law of Return for descendants of Sephardic Jews, Portugal continues to be an option for those wishing to reclaim their ancestors' citizenship. Rita Mayer Jardim, a Lisbon-based lawyer specializing in this path to Portuguese citizenship, will address the most common questions she receives from prospective applicants. Learn what is required to prove your Sephardic heritage, how long it takes, and other practical details that will help you navigate the process.

This program is sponsored by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute. It is supported, in part, by public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council.

Ticket Info: Pay what you wish; register at /tickets/family-history-today-2020-09-09 to receive a link to the Zoom program.

Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian at the Center for Jewish History
New York, NY


Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

karen.silver@juno.com
 

A painter then is the same as a painter now, somebody that puts paint on a surface.  It didn't matter if it was applied inside or outside a building or to a canvas on an easel.  If the person were a rabbi, the manifest would list his profession as a teacher.
 
There was no requirement to have a marketable skill listed on the manifest in 1902.  The only requirement was to be able to verify the occupation and other facts listed on the manifest when questioned upon arrival.  All of my relatives were truthful in listing their occupations and among all the people I have found manifests for in my various trees, only one was listed as a painter.  And that person continued to work as a painter after arriving.
 
Karen Silver


Pictorial history of Budapest’s Dohany Street synagogue #hungary

Art Hoffman
 

https://jewish-heritage-europe.eu/2019/12/26/photo-essay-tracing-the-history-of-budapests-dohany-street-synagogue/.

This was sent to me by a good friend that emigrated to the US after the 1956 Hungarian revolution.  I checked to see if the URL was previously submitted to the JewishGen digest but didn't come up with any.

Art Hoffman


Town in Ukraine : Kosinke near Zhitomir #ukraine

Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir
 

Almost all documents that my grandfather Shloyme Postolov filled out show his place of birth as Zhitomir and that is where he lived with his wife and her family and where recently discovered Russian cousins emigrated from . 

However , on his ship manifest from 1908 , he shows his birthplace as “Kosinke” .  The Russian cousins don’t recignize any towns named Kosinke near Zhitomir . 

The story is that his mother and two sisters died in one of the cholera epidemics of the 1880’s . The rabbi told his father Yoysef to add Chaim to his name , burn the house and wagon and send his two remaining children away . They were sent to Zhitomir to apprentice with a blacksmith . Shloyme was boarding with my grandmother’s aunt where he met her . Fayvl disappeared and was never heard from again .  

I am trying to find out what likely places my grandfather actually came from . There is a Kozyn near Zhitomir and several Kosinkes showing in the Gazeteer in Ukraine - one close to Dnepepetrovsk . 

Does anyone have any opinions as to which one was a likely place for Jews to live within a reasonable distance from Zhitomir ?  



--
Henry H. Carrey 


Re: Federal Judge Blocks Early Stop of Census Count #announcements #usa

Louis777@...
 

From Louis Trachtman (Louis777@...)
Actually the percentages quoted are that of households, not residents.  If the per cent of residents were known, then the entire population could also easily be calculated.
Households can number from one to many more people.


Hi~Searching for Family. GERSZON & POLEJES from Rubezhevichi, Belarus. #belarus

Siennastef@...
 

Hi all~

Searching my Mother's side of the family.  

My name:  Stefanie Haftel Warrenbrand
My Mother:  Sylvia Karalefsky Haftel
Her Mother: Frances Gerson (Gerszon)-->New Haven, CT
Her Grandmother:  Bejla (Beala, Bayla) Polejes (Poleyes)/Husband Israel Gerszon-->New Haven, CT
Her Great Grandfather: Juda (Judah? Yehuda) Polejes 

If there is anyone that can help me search Sideways and Further Back in this part of the tree, I'd appreciate it so much!

Thanks!!

Sincerely, Stefanie


Viewmate Translations of Newly Found Polish Alegata Records #poland #translation

Barbara Stack
 

Friends, some of you will have seen the announcement on JRIPoland by Nowy Dwor Town Leader Alan K'necht about the recent discovery of some Alegata Records. For reference on Alegata Records, look here:
 
 
I’m the cousin that volunteered to shlep the following pages through Viewmate:
 
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85258
 
The information added by these records is of great interest to a whole circle of us. Any help Polish translators can lend would be much appreciated!
 
Best sequestration regards,
Barbara Toby Stack
Berkeley, California
 
ALTSTEIN                       Mlawa, Poland
ALTSZTEJN                    Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
CHRZADOWSKI            Brzeziny, Poland
CHSHUNSTOFSKY       Brzeziny, Kikol, Lipno Poland
DROZDOWCIZ              Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
OLDSTEIN                      England, US, Australia
RESNICK                        Volhynia, Ukraine
SCHLEGER                     Lokachi, Ukraine
STACHOWITZ                USA
STASIOWICH                 Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
THORNER                       Plock, Poland
TORUNCZYK                 Warszawa, Poland
YECHT                             Lokachi, Ukraine
ZLOTNICK                      Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland


Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir
 

My grandfather was a religious scholar in Lutsk i.e. as far as I know , he did not have a marketable skill when he arrived in the U.S. in 1902 . Eventually, he worked with others as a house painter , I don’t know if that was inside or outside , but my father told me that he didn’t make much money because he was always taking time off for the yom-toyvim or to daven during the day . On all the documents such as census etc . his profession was listed as “ painter “ . However , I just noticed that on his ship manifest his profession was also listed as “painter “ .

Some cousins have speculated that he was a “ portrait painter “ in Lutsk . I doubt that , not only because the rabbis frowned upon painting the human form , but also because it was not a good way to make a living .

When I looked at other ship manifests , I noticed that there were a lot of people who put down their professions as “painter” . This leads to me to believe that American relatives had told people that “painter” was an acceptable profession for the American immigration authorities . I can’t believe that there were so many Marc Chagalls among Eastern European Jews .

Does anyone know what “ painter” was likely to mean to Americans and Jewish immigrants in the early part of the 20th century and if it was indeed a profession that relatives told new emigrants to use ?
--
Henry H. Carrey 


Searching information on Seide surname from Rogasen, Prussia #russia #germany #poland

Bruce Seide
 

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Looking for Israeli relatives #israel

Nomi Waksberg
 

To: Robin Klainbard
Hello,
Facebook has 2 Israeli listing under the name Altboim. There are also several "Altboim" listing in Patach Tikva...http://www.israelpb.com/Altboim/city/Petah+Tikva

The name Klajnbard is also on my tree. (As you know "J" is like "i" in Polish. Chana (1823-1893) was my 3g gm. Her father/mother were Szmul and Gela. Please let me know
if you have those names on your tree. They were from the area surrounding Warsaw.  Any chance that we are distantly related?
Best,
Nomi Fiszenfeld Waksberg
nwaksberg@...


Re: Searching Goldstein and Kaufer #names

Sherri Bobish
 


Stuart,

I agree with David that re-marriage after losing a spouse was a matter of practicality, especially for someone with young children.

However, the Harry Goldstein that passed on in March 1910 was born in 1858.

The Harry Goldstein that married Fannie was born in 1882.

A mistake in the transcription of the death record is a possibility, but assuming it was transcribed correctly this is not Fannie's husband.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Is there such a place as Palestine, Russia??? #russia #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Hi Eva:

In Galicia, there is a town named Palesnica. Its Jewish vital records were registered in nearby Czchów - https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-498188. These towns are now in Poland not that close to Stanislawow/Ivano Frankivsk. 

More interesting is the town of Palestyna 10 miles from Stanislawow, Poland, east of Warsaw. See attached map. 

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland


 

On 2020-09-08 12:30 pm, evagjuni@... wrote:

Hello all!

I recently found a US census document for an ancestor of mine which listed the birthplace of his father as Palestine Russia.  Google searches have come up with nothing. Any ideas for where this may have been referring to?  This ancestor would have later moved to Stanislau Austria (now Ivano Frankivsk, Ukraine) as that is where his son was born before coming to the US. 


Thank you for any help or advice you can provide,
Eva Stevenson


DNA mtDNA - Newly found Jewish Cousins - Research advice needed #dna

Agne
 

 

Thank you for adding me to the discussion group.

 

 

I have recently done an Autosomal DNA test which came back with the overwhelming results linking me to some 1000+ Jewish cousins. While I had a suspicion that I might have some Jewish ancestry the results were far beyond my expectation. However, I am stuck because I do not recognise any of the surnames and am not able to link to my family tree.

 

I was born in Lithuania. But according to my paternal grandmother, her parents PLATEISS / PLATEIS were Baltic Germans based in Riga. Strangely, my grandmother baked challah, this tradition has been passed from generation to generation since my gggg-grandmother surname DIKAITE / DIKIS. I suspect they could have been Jews converted by The Lutheran Church, with links in Germany, Latvia and Lithuania (Birzai). I am researching the above names to determine if Jewish.

 

My maternal side of the family from Pasvol, Salat and Birzai (District Ponevez) claim to be 100% Lithuanian, although I do question some surnames ROZENAS, VRUBLIAUSKAITE, MASKOLIUNAS, RUTKEVILIS, KASCIUSKA, SLEKONIS and the accuracy of the maternal family tree altogether. The documents have been destroyed and my maternal grandmother’s stories are confusing, her denial of Jewish roots, a very sensitive emotional reaction and deliberate attempts to stop my research made me believe she must be hiding the identity of the ancestors and that the names have possibly been changed to Lithuanian. In the meantime, mtDNA test results linked me to people with Jewish ancestral names in haplogroups H & H1b, also people in Scandinavia, British Isles, Netherlands, Sicily, even a few cousins in Brazil and Iberian Peninsula. I realise dna test is not a valid proof of one’s Jewishness but I am fascinated by the idea that there is a chance my mom could actually be Jewish.

 

I do not know how to best proceed with my search from here and would be extremely grateful for tips and suggestions on how to identify my Jewish ancestors.

 

Thank you,

 

 

Agne Grigaraviciute

 

 

 

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