Berens family. Manchester UK #unitedkingdom


Good evening,  I wonder if anyone knows of a Berens family who lived in Manchester circa 1900.  The parents were Copel and Sophia from Lithuania.  There were 8 brothers born to this couple.
Many thanks
Val Featherstone

Re: finding obituaries #general

Fred Half


If you are looking in any city or community with a reasonably sized Jewish community (especially Western European based) there is/was a weekly Jewish newspaper (I am familiar with those in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Cincinnati). Many have been digitized and and are free (at least those I am familiar with). Not only do they give obituaries, but also, Bar Mitzvah announcements, engagements and weddings, and the social, political, and educational activities of the various synagogues in the area. A fascinating resource especially if you don't mind going down rabbit holes for related information.

Fred Half
Palo Alto, CA

Re: DNA test #dna

Adam Turner

First off: if you are Ashkenazi, at least a few of those who appear in "2nd-3rd cousins," especially those near the bottom of that list, are unlikely to be your real cousins. See Jennifer Mendelson's article for a cogent explanation why:

(It is possible, though much less likely, that someone who has a stronger match and shows up in the "1st-2nd cousins" section will also not be your genuine cousin. The rest of my post is premised on the assumption that they probably are indeed your genuine cousin.)

There are a number of ways to figure out how names in your AncestryDNA list who you don't recognize are related to you. Here are a few:

1. Contact the person directly, using the "Message" button in AncestryDNA, and ask them.* Not everyone will respond, but many will!

2. Ask around. See if your known relatives who you are in touch with have heard of this person before. 

3. Do traditional research like you would for any other name you don't recognize; see if you can identify who this person is, where they came from, who their family members are, etc. Even if the person didn't link their results to a tree in Ancestry, you can often figure out quite a bit based on their name alone.

4. Use the Shared Matches tab on their Ancestry profile to narrow things down. If you already know that 6 people on your mother's side of your family match you on AncestryDNA and 4 people on your father's side match you on AncestryDNA, how many of those people match this mystery person whom you don't recognize? If they match all of your known paternal cousins while appearing to match none of your known maternal cousins, that is a pretty decent hint that this person is likeliest to be another paternal cousin of yours. 

5. Convince more of your relatives to also take AncestryDNA tests to see how they match the mystery person. Expensive, but might be worth it to figure out if you really have a long-lost close cousin!

*If your family is close, and you would know who all your first and second cousins are (yet can't figure out the connection to this person despite AncestryDNA saying they are your first cousin), it's probably a good idea to proceed gently when communicating with this mystery person. There is always a possibility that one of your aunts, uncles, or close cousins has a secret, like giving up a baby for adoption or having a child out of wedlock, and that even the child has no idea that one or both of the people who raised them are not their biological parents.

Good luck!

Adam Turner

Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

David Brostoff

On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Adam Turner <adam.d.turner@...> wrote:

The only change that Ancestry made was removing matches between 6.0 and 8.0 cM, whose usefulness tends to be much more marginal.
Thank you for clarifying this.

Until now I misunderstood the issue and sincerely apologize if my previous post -- citing matches with known relatives under 20 cM total (but well above 8 cM) -- added further fuel to the fire.

Before I posted I should have gone back and carefully read the entire thread, where I would have seen your previous clarification of September 3, 2020:

"Your main match list (the screen you are brought to when you click "DNA matches", which shows all of your matches) showed, and continues to show, all matches: everyone from "close family", "2nd-3rd cousins," "4th-6th cousins" (3500+ cM down to 20.0 cM) to "Distant Cousins" aka "5th-8th cousins" (20.0 cM down to 8.0 cM). The change that AncestryDNA made in August is that the cutoff used to go down to 6 cM, and they took out all matches between 6.0 and 8.0 cM."

David Brostoff

Re: Is there such a place as Palestine, Russia??? #russia #galicia

Norbert Steiner

Under Czarist Russia and even under Stalin the Russian government was looking for a place for the Jews. They finally decided to allocate a large segment of Siberia - on the map it looks like near Irkutsk but is probably hundreds of miles away - and even renamed many towns with Yiddish names. Many Jews moved there voluntarily and many more were forcibly relocated. I don’t know what happened to the Jews but I know that many towns there still have Yiddish names. Searching for towns in Russia may be easier if you know this. 
May You Meet Your Responsibilities 
With Love, Insight, and Creativity 
Norbert Natan Steiner

Re: finding obituaries #general

Howard Kaufman

Great sources for obituaries are city libraries.
And the librarians are usually very helpful in locating them for you.
Howard Kaufman
Boca Raton, FL
KAUFMAN, SCHWARTZ -  Romania and Moldova

Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Adam Turner

Removing all matches below 20 cMs deprives me of knowing how long the longest string with that person might be.
Again, Ancestry did not do this, and there is no indication at the moment that they plan to do this. The part of the original post that alleges that they did is false.

The only change that Ancestry made was removing matches between 6.0 and 8.0 cM, whose usefulness tends to be much more marginal.

Adam Turner

Re: Is there such a place as Palestine, Russia??? #russia #galicia

Alexander Sharon

1. Late 19th century "Słownik Geograficzny..." (The Geographical Dictionary of The Kingdom of Poland) lists four entries for villages named Palestyna located in Russian Poland in the following        regions: Łódź, Częstochowa, Węgrów and Kielce
2. Modern Poland, identifies nine places named Palestyna, as an integral parts of the following villages

·        Palestyna – część wsi Ruda-Huta w woj. lubelskim, w pow. chełmskim, w gminie Ruda-Huta

·        Palestyna – część wsi Pilaszków w woj. łódzkim, w pow. łowickim, w gminie Łowicz

·        Palestyna – część wsi Glinnik w woj. łódzkim, w pow. zgierskim, w gminie Zgierz

·        Palestyna – część wsi Rososz w woj. mazowieckim, w pow. grójeckim w gminie Chynów

·        Palestyna – kolonia wsi Bilminy w woj. podlaskim, w pow. sokólskim, w gminie Kuźnica

·        Palestyna – część wsi Mirachowo w woj. pomorskim, w pow. kartuskim, w gminie Kartuzy

·        Palestyna – część wsi Kołaczkowice w woj. świętokrzyskim, w pow. buskim, w gminie Busko-Zdrój

·        Palestyna – część wsi Gronowo w woj. warmińsko-mazurskim, w pow. mrągowskim w gminie Mrągowo

·        Palestyna, obecnie Karolina – wieś w województwie śląskim, w woj. śląskim, w pow. częstochowskim, w gminie Rędziny

3.  Palestyna In Wilno/Belarus

Part of the Jewish town Worniany (Wilno district), currently known as town Vornyany in Belarus identifies Palestyna

4.  Palestyna in a "proper" Russian lands

A locality listed in Rostov-na Donu Oblast' as Новая Палестина, apparently it had no Jewish residents

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general


Thank you, Julia, for being so specific with your instructions about archiving my trees at I followed your path and successfully uploaded my gedcom file and it automatically went into their Pedigree Resource Files. It only shows my direct ancestors and eliminated all the connected cousins and sidelines. Is there a way to show my complete gedcom file?  Thank you,
Reba Harris Solomon

Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general


Thank you, Julia, for your post about archiving at I followed your specific path and successfully uploaded my gedcom file, and my information went into their Pedigree Resource Files.  Unfortunately, the process eliminated all my side branches and only includes my direct ancestors. Am I in the wrong place?  Is there a way to archive my complete gedcom file in FamilySearch? 
Thank you,
Reba Harris Solomon

Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Nomi Waksberg

Anyone can file a complaint on the BBB site
FCC complaints on Hopefully there will be strength in numbers of complaints filed.

Nomi Waksberg

Re: Hi~Searching for Family. GERSZON & POLEJES from Rubezhevichi, Belarus. #belarus

Janis and Joe Datz

I am working on the Stolpce yizkor book.  Stolpce is not far from your ancestors' town.  It is mentioned in the book.  However, unfortunately, I do not see these surnames in my work in progress master surname list. Janis Friedenberg Datz

DNA test #dna

Hanna Grossman

I have done an Ancestry autosomal test and gotten my results.

They include two 2nd cousins whom I know.

And very many 2-3 cousins , none of whose names I recognize, and none of whom have matching names in their (very minimal) connected trees.

How can I proceed to find out any more about how these matches may be related? #dna

Hanna Grossman, Arlington VA

Re: BLUMENTHAL - family relations #germany #usa #general

Sherri Bobish


On Ancestry I see a U.S. draft card dated March 3, 1947 for Daniel BLUMENTHAL, born Koenigsberg, March 23,1910. 

David lists his brother, Martin BLUMENTHAL, as the person who will always know his location. Both David and Martin had addresses in Manhattan (different address for each.)

Daniel worked at Cyclone Motor Corp. in Long Island City, NY.

Ancestry also has this info on Daniel's obit:
Name: Daniel Blumenthal
Gender: Male
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: abt 1910
Residence Place: BREMEN, Germany
Death Date: 3 Mar 1993
Death Place: Bremen
Burial Place: Germany
Obituary Date: 13 Apr 1993
Obituary Place: Zanesville, Ohio, United States of America
Spouse: Hilda

Sherri Bobish

Re: Another finding among Bessarabia records - Service Form List #bessarabia #ukraine #records #translation

Harvey Kabaker

Hi, Yefim,

My career was in newspapers, and I often wondered whether anyone was reading what I wrote or edited. Occasionally I would see angry responses to one thing or another, so I knew they were reading. Then there were the grammar police and nitpickers who insisted on correcting things. More proof that people are reading. Sometimes I made an excuse for a mistake saying, yes, I knew that was wrong, but I wanted to see if you were reading.

So maybe you should start writing things that make people angry? Or maybe not.

With best wishes, as always,
Harvey Kabaker
Silver Spring, Md.

Re: LEBEDENKO/LEBEDENCO surname origins #ukraine #romania #russia #general

Sherri Bobish


Have you tried searching Lebedenco at the JewishGen Romania-Moldova Database?
I suggest doing a soundex (sounds like) search, so you will find alternative spellings of the surname.  I did a very quick search and found the name spelled with a "k" instead of a "c', and some other variations in spelling also.


Sherri Bobish

Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

Marcel Apsel

About printing familiy trees on paper by FamilyTreeMaker.  You can make all kind of charts and including default as much as you want.  In the older versions of FTM you could create new facts and I think with a little bit of manipulating you should be able to add specific facts you create by your own on printed sheets.  I do not know if this works with the recent versions, I did not try it out, but normally it should.

In FTM you should go to the person windows, open the blue cross for facts and choose the button new and you can create a new fact where you can choose a specific name you wish.  There you can file whatever you want in the way you want.  I never tried to put pictures this way, so maybe you can try it.



Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium

Re: finding obituaries #general

Dick Plotz

If you click through to an obituary at that you found
by googling the name, you can see an inconspicuous link toward the
bottom of the page that says "Show article text (OCR)". Click that
link to see an unedited OCR text of the article or the whole page, I'm
not sure what determines how much you see. You can then search the
page and read the text. It may be a little garbled; that's the nature
of unedited OCR output. But it will often include the information you

You don't need to be a subscriber to see this.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:02 PM Mary Henderson <gengenres@...> wrote:

Hi, Trudy! is a good resource for obituaries - but it's a paid subscription site.

Mary Henderson

Mary Henderson
Genetic Genealogy Research, LLC

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:49 AM Trudy Barch <cousintrudy@...> wrote:


Does anyone know when USA obituaries began in newspapers? Other than Legacy are there any other sites where I should be looking for ‘older’ (1930s-1940s) ones?

Re: BLUMENTHAL - family relations #germany #usa #general

Peter Lowe

Re: GERSZONOWICZ or GIERSZONOWICZ families from the city of PIOTRKOW (Poland) between 1780 and 1880, from the city of Osjakow (Poland) between 1880 and 1905, from Lodz (Poland) after 1905 #poland #russia #lodz


My GG grandmother, Sura Gitla Gierszonowicz, born in 1833 had a sister Riwka Ruchla Gierszonowicz, who was born about 1838 in Aleskandrow, Poland.  She married Icek Szwarc in 1862, who was born in Lodz.  Their father was Shari (Zacharyasz) Gierszonowicz, mother Golda Shwartz, she was born in the village of Vitslovitsi.  Her mother's name was Tauba, surname not known, and father's name Moshka Shwartz.  Does any of my families roots connect to your GERSZONOWICZ family?
Karen Brown

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