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Re: Different birthdates #general

Joan
 

I would like to thank everyone again who responded to my query and for the
advise.

Joan Silverman
Researching: Goldberg, Schwartz, Silverman, Zalka (Dzailka)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Different birthdates #general

Joan
 

I would like to thank everyone again who responded to my query and for the
advise.

Joan Silverman
Researching: Goldberg, Schwartz, Silverman, Zalka (Dzailka)


Question about Religious vs. Civil Marriages in New York #general

Becker, Risa (GfK) <Risa.Becker@...>
 

I am researching a relative who lived in NYC in 1905. I found information in
the NYC records to show his date of marriage as January 21, 1906. However in
the 1905 NYC census (collected in July 1905) he appears with his wife, listed
as married.

Was it common at that time in NYC to have a religious marriage prior to a
civil ceremony? And if so, why. didn't the religious ceremony count legally?
Is there another explanation for why I might see this? Any help would be
appreciated!

Risa Becker


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Question about Religious vs. Civil Marriages in New York #general

Becker, Risa (GfK) <Risa.Becker@...>
 

I am researching a relative who lived in NYC in 1905. I found information in
the NYC records to show his date of marriage as January 21, 1906. However in
the 1905 NYC census (collected in July 1905) he appears with his wife, listed
as married.

Was it common at that time in NYC to have a religious marriage prior to a
civil ceremony? And if so, why. didn't the religious ceremony count legally?
Is there another explanation for why I might see this? Any help would be
appreciated!

Risa Becker


Re: Different birthdates #general

Diane Jacobs
 

I have also seen on the jewishgen.org database records where three children
of the same parents are registered in the same year because the parents
didn't register the first two when they were born and did so when the third
child was born. Many times birth were registered years after the event.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

Marion E Werle werleme@gmail.com wrote:

I would recommend reading Christine Rose's book, Genealogical Proof
Standard: Building a Solid Case/ 4th ed. San Jose: CR Publications,
2014. It is a very readable book on the Genealogical Proof Standard
and evidence evaluation, two methodology topics that are critical to
evaluating genealogical records with conflicting data. Records can be
primary, derivative and authored; the information on them can be
primary, secondary and unknown; and evidence can be direct, indirect
and negative.

In your case, we don't know who provided the age information on the
census records (not to mention that the informant may not have known or
people sometimes lie). I've also seen mistakes on draft registration
records that conflict with date on the birth record. Since the birth
record is the official record provided at the time of the event (the
birth) by people who witnessed (or were present at the time of) the
event, I'd take that as more reliable than a census record or draft
record. Since you aren't cognizant at your own birth, you only know
your birth date because someone told you or because you saw your
birth certificate. Birthdays weren't a big deal to our ancestors and
it's not uncommon for them to supply different birthdates than show
on their actual birth record, which they may never have seen.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Different birthdates #general

Diane Jacobs
 

I have also seen on the jewishgen.org database records where three children
of the same parents are registered in the same year because the parents
didn't register the first two when they were born and did so when the third
child was born. Many times birth were registered years after the event.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

Marion E Werle werleme@gmail.com wrote:

I would recommend reading Christine Rose's book, Genealogical Proof
Standard: Building a Solid Case/ 4th ed. San Jose: CR Publications,
2014. It is a very readable book on the Genealogical Proof Standard
and evidence evaluation, two methodology topics that are critical to
evaluating genealogical records with conflicting data. Records can be
primary, derivative and authored; the information on them can be
primary, secondary and unknown; and evidence can be direct, indirect
and negative.

In your case, we don't know who provided the age information on the
census records (not to mention that the informant may not have known or
people sometimes lie). I've also seen mistakes on draft registration
records that conflict with date on the birth record. Since the birth
record is the official record provided at the time of the event (the
birth) by people who witnessed (or were present at the time of) the
event, I'd take that as more reliable than a census record or draft
record. Since you aren't cognizant at your own birth, you only know
your birth date because someone told you or because you saw your
birth certificate. Birthdays weren't a big deal to our ancestors and
it's not uncommon for them to supply different birthdates than show
on their actual birth record, which they may never have seen.


Re: Different birthdates #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I only discovered my mother had added 2 years to her age when she was
70+. She had traveled alone >from Palestine to the US in 1922. She
would have been 16 and changed things so she was 18. Since her
document was in Turkish in Arabic script, I doubt if anyone in
Providence Rhode Island could read it.

We were standing at her sister's grave site for the memorial prayers
when my mother said, don't put the year of birth on my tombstone. My
parents had a plot reserved near by. I asked why, and she answered -
how would it look if two sisters had the same year of birth. Now since
both were married, and their maiden name was common, only the family
knows the sisters are buried near each other.

She went through her whole life with the wrong year of birth.

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general and
Jewish and Israeli roots in particular with
http://twitter.com/JewDataGenGirl


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Different birthdates #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I only discovered my mother had added 2 years to her age when she was
70+. She had traveled alone >from Palestine to the US in 1922. She
would have been 16 and changed things so she was 18. Since her
document was in Turkish in Arabic script, I doubt if anyone in
Providence Rhode Island could read it.

We were standing at her sister's grave site for the memorial prayers
when my mother said, don't put the year of birth on my tombstone. My
parents had a plot reserved near by. I asked why, and she answered -
how would it look if two sisters had the same year of birth. Now since
both were married, and their maiden name was common, only the family
knows the sisters are buried near each other.

She went through her whole life with the wrong year of birth.

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general and
Jewish and Israeli roots in particular with
http://twitter.com/JewDataGenGirl


Re: OSTROFSKY Glasgow? --> NYC #general

rv Kaplan
 

No reason why they couldn't have come >from Fastov, Ukraine originally
and stopped off in Scotland or passed through to get a ship from
Glasgow. Glasgow was a common port of embarkation for the USA at that
time, but it may be that they only lived in Scotland a short time, or
were just passing through. There were some people with this surname in
Scotland, but not sure if they were all the same family.

Unfortunately, there are no arrival records for us to consult for when
they arrived in Scotland, so not sure how you will prove this, unless
you go with the naturalisation record, or find them at the Ukraine
end.

For what it's worth, my mother's parents came >from Kaminets-Podolsk in
the Ukraine in 1903-6, via Rotterdam, to Glasgow.

Harvey L Kaplan
Scottish Jewish Archives Centre
Glasgow

On 27 May 2016 at 21:10, Myrna Goodman myrna.goodman@gmail.com wrote:
I hope someone can help me find a way to trace my grandparents' original place
of embarkation to Glasgow. David and Lena OSTROFSKY left for NYC >from Glasgow
on the Columbia in June 1906, landed on June 6 and were detained (my grandmother
was very pregnant with my aunt, who was born in NYC about a week after they
arrived). They were released on June 8th,1906.

On my grandfather's naturalization document, his last place of residence is
given as Fastov. The family believes they were >from Odessa. Is it possible the
clerk misunderstood Glasgow for Fastov?

Is there a database that lists embarkation sites?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: OSTROFSKY Glasgow? --> NYC #general

rv Kaplan
 

No reason why they couldn't have come >from Fastov, Ukraine originally
and stopped off in Scotland or passed through to get a ship from
Glasgow. Glasgow was a common port of embarkation for the USA at that
time, but it may be that they only lived in Scotland a short time, or
were just passing through. There were some people with this surname in
Scotland, but not sure if they were all the same family.

Unfortunately, there are no arrival records for us to consult for when
they arrived in Scotland, so not sure how you will prove this, unless
you go with the naturalisation record, or find them at the Ukraine
end.

For what it's worth, my mother's parents came >from Kaminets-Podolsk in
the Ukraine in 1903-6, via Rotterdam, to Glasgow.

Harvey L Kaplan
Scottish Jewish Archives Centre
Glasgow

On 27 May 2016 at 21:10, Myrna Goodman myrna.goodman@gmail.com wrote:
I hope someone can help me find a way to trace my grandparents' original place
of embarkation to Glasgow. David and Lena OSTROFSKY left for NYC >from Glasgow
on the Columbia in June 1906, landed on June 6 and were detained (my grandmother
was very pregnant with my aunt, who was born in NYC about a week after they
arrived). They were released on June 8th,1906.

On my grandfather's naturalization document, his last place of residence is
given as Fastov. The family believes they were >from Odessa. Is it possible the
clerk misunderstood Glasgow for Fastov?

Is there a database that lists embarkation sites?


The Conference Hotel is Almost Fully Booked #romania

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

The Seattle Sheraton Hotel has booked all of the available rooms for the
Conference and has only a handful of deluxe rooms left. They are pricing
the deluxe rooms at $239 for Conference attendees. These rooms are
available at other times for $379 per night. Once these rooms are booked,
there will be no more room at the Conference Hotel.

We have made arrangements with the Hyatt Olive 8 hotel, about 4 blocks from
the Sheraton, for a limited number of rooms at $289 per night. Given that
the Conference coincides with the height of the tourism season, and there
are no other major hotels downtown with rooms available, this was the best
we could do. The Hyatt will give that rate to Conference attendees who use
the following link: https://aws.passkey.com/event/15080205/owner/69782/home.
The website is being updated to reflect that information.

As you can tell, Seattle is the place to be, August 7-12. Make your plans
to attend the Conference and reserve your space if you have not already done
so. And if you have not reserved your meals or banquet tickets, you should
do so soon before they sell out. Most of our computer labs have been
waitlisted, and we are arranging to add additional labs. We will not be
able to do that with the meals.

See you in Seattle!

Chuck Weinstein
Co-chair
36th Annual IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy
August 7-12, 2016, Seattle WA
chuck@iajgs2016.org
www.iajgs2016.org
Like our Facebook Page at https://www.facebook.com/IAJGSConference?fref=ts


Romania SIG #Romania The Conference Hotel is Almost Fully Booked #romania

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

The Seattle Sheraton Hotel has booked all of the available rooms for the
Conference and has only a handful of deluxe rooms left. They are pricing
the deluxe rooms at $239 for Conference attendees. These rooms are
available at other times for $379 per night. Once these rooms are booked,
there will be no more room at the Conference Hotel.

We have made arrangements with the Hyatt Olive 8 hotel, about 4 blocks from
the Sheraton, for a limited number of rooms at $289 per night. Given that
the Conference coincides with the height of the tourism season, and there
are no other major hotels downtown with rooms available, this was the best
we could do. The Hyatt will give that rate to Conference attendees who use
the following link: https://aws.passkey.com/event/15080205/owner/69782/home.
The website is being updated to reflect that information.

As you can tell, Seattle is the place to be, August 7-12. Make your plans
to attend the Conference and reserve your space if you have not already done
so. And if you have not reserved your meals or banquet tickets, you should
do so soon before they sell out. Most of our computer labs have been
waitlisted, and we are arranging to add additional labs. We will not be
able to do that with the meals.

See you in Seattle!

Chuck Weinstein
Co-chair
36th Annual IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy
August 7-12, 2016, Seattle WA
chuck@iajgs2016.org
www.iajgs2016.org
Like our Facebook Page at https://www.facebook.com/IAJGSConference?fref=ts


Who knows about Kobylnica Ruska? #galicia

Rose Katz <rjtalents@...>
 

Does anyone know anything about what happened to the Jews during World
War 2 in this small Galician town? My father was born there and lost all his
family without any information.

The city of Wielkie Oczy is near Kobylnica Ruska and they also used to go to
Lwow (Lemberg at the time of the Austrian occupation).

Thank you in advance.

Rose Katz


Demographics #galicia

Ervin Spinner <espinner01@...>
 

Are there published demographics by district and how they changed in
the 19th centurty.

Ervin Spinner


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Who knows about Kobylnica Ruska? #galicia

Rose Katz <rjtalents@...>
 

Does anyone know anything about what happened to the Jews during World
War 2 in this small Galician town? My father was born there and lost all his
family without any information.

The city of Wielkie Oczy is near Kobylnica Ruska and they also used to go to
Lwow (Lemberg at the time of the Austrian occupation).

Thank you in advance.

Rose Katz


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Demographics #galicia

Ervin Spinner <espinner01@...>
 

Are there published demographics by district and how they changed in
the 19th centurty.

Ervin Spinner


The Conference Hotel is Almost Fully Booked #lithuania

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

The Seattle Sheraton Hotel has booked all of the available rooms for the
Conference and has only a handful of deluxe rooms left. They are pricing
the deluxe rooms at $239 for Conference attendees. These rooms are
available at other times for $379 per night. Once these rooms are booked,
there will be no more room at the Conference Hotel.

We have made arrangements with the Hyatt Olive 8 hotel, about 4 blocks from
the Sheraton, for a limited number of rooms at $289 per night. Given that
the Conference coincides with the height of the tourism season, and there
are no other major hotels downtown with rooms available, this was the best
we could do. The Hyatt will give that rate to Conference attendees who use
the following link: https://aws.passkey.com/event/15080205/owner/69782/home.
The website is being updated to reflect that information.

As you can tell, Seattle is the place to be, August 7-12. Make your plans
to attend the Conference and reserve your space if you have not already done
so. And if you have not reserved your meals or banquet tickets, you should
do so soon before they sell out. Most of our computer labs have been
waitlisted, and we are arranging to add additional labs. We will not be
able to do that with the meals.

See you in Seattle!

Chuck Weinstein
Co-chair
36th Annual IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy August 7-12, 2016, Seattle
WA
chuck@iajgs2016.org
www.iajgs2016.org
Like our Facebook Page at https://www.facebook.com/IAJGSConference?fref=ts


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania The Conference Hotel is Almost Fully Booked #lithuania

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

The Seattle Sheraton Hotel has booked all of the available rooms for the
Conference and has only a handful of deluxe rooms left. They are pricing
the deluxe rooms at $239 for Conference attendees. These rooms are
available at other times for $379 per night. Once these rooms are booked,
there will be no more room at the Conference Hotel.

We have made arrangements with the Hyatt Olive 8 hotel, about 4 blocks from
the Sheraton, for a limited number of rooms at $289 per night. Given that
the Conference coincides with the height of the tourism season, and there
are no other major hotels downtown with rooms available, this was the best
we could do. The Hyatt will give that rate to Conference attendees who use
the following link: https://aws.passkey.com/event/15080205/owner/69782/home.
The website is being updated to reflect that information.

As you can tell, Seattle is the place to be, August 7-12. Make your plans
to attend the Conference and reserve your space if you have not already done
so. And if you have not reserved your meals or banquet tickets, you should
do so soon before they sell out. Most of our computer labs have been
waitlisted, and we are arranging to add additional labs. We will not be
able to do that with the meals.

See you in Seattle!

Chuck Weinstein
Co-chair
36th Annual IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy August 7-12, 2016, Seattle
WA
chuck@iajgs2016.org
www.iajgs2016.org
Like our Facebook Page at https://www.facebook.com/IAJGSConference?fref=ts


A special request to our LitvakSIG members - can you provide some ideas for contacts in support of our Continuity Fund? #lithuania

Barry Halpern
 

As you all know, we launched our LitvakSIG Research and Translation
Continuity Fund early in 2016, and your response has been fantastic!

This message isn't intended to ask again for your financial support
(though that is always welcome), but rather to ask for your help and
advice. Do you have any suggestions or contacts for any Jewish
foundations or donors, preferably with Litvak roots, whom we might
approach to support the Continuity Fund? Our common Lithuanian
heritage links so many of us, >from Jascha Heifetz to Al Jolson to Don
Rickles to Bob Dylan! Our work, and consequently your work, is a
vital celebration of past generations as well as an important
contribution to our future generations.

So, we're asking that if you have any ideas, or specific contacts
(particularly email addresses, mailing addresses, telephone numbers),
we would love to hear >from you! We have a long way to go to fulfill
our goals, and therefore are very willing to follow up on any leads or
suggestions you might have.

Please feel free to get in touch with either of us!

Ralph Salinger and Barry Halpern (barry.halpern@gmail.com and
salinger@krp.org.il)

Coordinators of the Research and Translation Continuity Fund


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania A special request to our LitvakSIG members - can you provide some ideas for contacts in support of our Continuity Fund? #lithuania

Barry Halpern
 

As you all know, we launched our LitvakSIG Research and Translation
Continuity Fund early in 2016, and your response has been fantastic!

This message isn't intended to ask again for your financial support
(though that is always welcome), but rather to ask for your help and
advice. Do you have any suggestions or contacts for any Jewish
foundations or donors, preferably with Litvak roots, whom we might
approach to support the Continuity Fund? Our common Lithuanian
heritage links so many of us, >from Jascha Heifetz to Al Jolson to Don
Rickles to Bob Dylan! Our work, and consequently your work, is a
vital celebration of past generations as well as an important
contribution to our future generations.

So, we're asking that if you have any ideas, or specific contacts
(particularly email addresses, mailing addresses, telephone numbers),
we would love to hear >from you! We have a long way to go to fulfill
our goals, and therefore are very willing to follow up on any leads or
suggestions you might have.

Please feel free to get in touch with either of us!

Ralph Salinger and Barry Halpern (barry.halpern@gmail.com and
salinger@krp.org.il)

Coordinators of the Research and Translation Continuity Fund

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