4. As for ABELES(s) changing their names to something
else, that may have been due to the many ABELES versus
ROBITSCHEK jokes that were popular in the late
1800s... where Mr. ABELES was portrated as an Idiot
who debates things with "wise" Mr. ROBITSCHEK (or
robicsek) ... and those jokes were not an issue for my
g-grandfather Maxmilian ROBITSCHEK (born 1863 in
Radowesnitz) who married Regina ABELES (born 1873 in
Bilina)...

Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA
Researching: HERRMANN, ABELES, LOEBL/LOEWE,
LOEWENSTEIN, KOHN, ROBITSCHEK, ABELES, REIN, PROPPER,
MANDL >from Bohemia (mostly Saaz/Zatec and Prague).

Subject: ABILES/ ABELLES/ABELES of Hochlieben,

Rakonitzer Kreis, Bohemia

From: Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:15:12 -0800 (PST)

Wilma Iggers {nee ABELES} wrote to me and I have her
permission to quote:
"I would like to know more about my ABELES ancestors
and am willing to
share what I know. To introduce myself: I emigrated

from Czechoslovakia

with my family in 1938, to Canada. My father was
Karl (Karel) ABELES; his
father was Richard ABELES, {Jewish first name, after
his grandfather Rubin}.
His father was Israel ABELES.

He [Israel] and his wife Franziska and their 9
children - I know all their
names - lived in Hochlibin - Vysoka Libyna near
Kralovice. His father, [ie
Wilma's gtgtgrandfather] who spelled his name Rubin
ABELLES was born in 1790.

Israel had a brother Ignaz. Rubin's first wife's
name was Libuse, his
second, Ignaz's mother was Magdalena. I had some of
this info. >from
Magdalena's grandson, Dr. Hans ABELES [deceased] in
New Jersey."

Then there followed some personal contact info re
Hans' family. Wilma has
much of the ABELES data in the US [she is currently
in Germany] and she
also has compilation by Richard ABELES of Phoenix,
Arizona. Wilma then
writes:
"I have been hoping to do some research, but have
not had time, and have,
perhaps wrongly, thought that all I would find is
names and dates. I
would love to hear >from anybody who could tell me
more, and would be
glad to pass on what else I know. My info. about my
POPPER ancestors
and early relatives is about as extensive as about
the ABELES, less about
ORNSTEIN and FINGERS, my other grandparents and
their families."

I will have a researcher look through the 1811 & 1834 Censuses for Vinnitsa.

If anyone wants me to check their family in this census, shall please
let me know.

Shmiel Gruber
scyg26@...

1. DNA does not replace actual genealogical research
2. A genetic tree is not as robust as a genealogical tree. This is because, beyond second cousins, it becomes possible to be related but not match with DNA (your small 6.5%, 3.25%, etc  might be different "pieces" for each descendant). In other words, beyond g-gp's, you do not necessarily inherit DNA from every ancestor you ever had.

• Hi, I have DNA matches to two person's you manage on MyHeritage: Esther Bleier (born Steif). Estimated relationships: 1st cousin twice removed - 4th cousin?; DNA Match quality: 1.3% (92.5‎ cM); Shared DNA: 10 Shared segments; Largest segment: 20.6‎ cM. Also with Frederika [detail redacted to protect her privacy] 

• Go to https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
• For your match with Esther Bleier, put in your total cM matching, which is 92.5.
• The combined top two results indicate it is 63% likely that you match Esther as some form of 2c or 3c.
• To match as a 2c, you need to know all of your 8 g-gp's and compare each one to her 8 g-gp's for surname, time-period lived, and location compatibility.
• To match as a 3c, you need to do the same thing, only with your 16 g-g-gp's.
• For "Once-Removed" relationships, you would move up or down a generation, to match the predicted relationship (such as 2c1r)
• I gave Harry the pedigree for Esther Bleier at https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001156042118
• It does have Esther's 8 g-gp's listed.
• It does not have enough of her g-g-gp's listed, in case it is a 3c match,
• Unless Harry is lucky, or either of us does more paper-trail research on both his tree and Esther's tree, we may not figure it out.
• You can repeat the same process for determining other matches.
• Since Frederika's match does not triangulate with Esther's, we don't know if the ancestry between the Harry, Esther and Frederika is shared.