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Re: Look-ups requested in Rosenstein's The Unbroken Chain, newest edition #poland

KAREN SAUNDERS
 

Thank you and with kind regards.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 22:46, Yossi Jalas <yjj321@...> wrote:
Volume 4:
Page 416 - Rebecca Leah, (2'nd wife of Rabbi Moses Judah Leib Zilberberg ABD Kolo, Dobri, Lask & Kutno) was the daughter of Rabbi Zeev Wolf, ABD Piotrikov and Dabie. She died in 1892, Lechowitz.

Page 692 - Sarah, daughter of Zeev Wolf was first wife of Yekutiel Zissel (Zushe) Hakohen Rappaport of Minsk. Husband died 1852.

Yossi Jalas








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Hello. I would like to join to research info about my 4 x g grandfather Abraham ben Gedaliah Tiktin 1764 - 1820. With thx.
Re: Origin and meaning of this tea and preserve ceremony #latvia #lithuania #russia

Deanna Levinsky <DEANNASMAC@...>
 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 08:47 AM, <robgoudey@...> wrote:
Hello all.

I found the following reference in Julius Sumner Miller’s autobiography to a ceremony his mother Sarah engaged in. 
Does anybody recognize this?  If so, are you able to tell me anything about its likely origin and significance?
 
“With all the canning Mama did on a large scale, she took time to make something very special. And with it went a 
very special ceremony. It was made with raspberries, both red and black. Mama stewed these with more than ordinary 
care and canned them in jars well marked. They had a special place on the shelves. We dare not touch these for an 
ordinary meal, never. Now a visitor comes – someone from the old country – I can see her at the table with Mama, 
she has a shawl over her head. Mama serves tea in glasses. And I am sent on an errand: get a jar of the special 
preserve. The lady puts a spoonful in her glass of tea. There is no sugar on the table. This is special. When they 
are diverted to something, in another room say, I steal a spoonful of this delectation. Should Mama know this I’m 
a sorry boy”.

Thank you,
Rob.Goudey
 
It’s a very Russian thing to do but as far as I know not a ceremony. Those berries were hard to come by and labor intensive. It showed love and respect to serve the berries
 
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Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY
St Anne's Lancashire during WW2 #unitedkingdom

neville silverston
 

Dear Hilary

There is no town in Lancashire Uk with the name St Anne’s.  There is the coastal resort of Lytham St Anne’s south of Blackpool to where I was evacuated at the beginning of WW2 from Manchester, Lancs.  I was one of 1500 boys who attended Manchester Grammar School who were evacuated during ‘the phoney war’.  We returned back to Manchester in December, 1939.  Manchester was heavily bombed one year later.

Dr Neville Silverston

Cambridge.  UK
Re: AA File for Grandfather #romania #usa #records

Marian
 

Hello Deborah,

I'm assuming you mean a USCIS "AA" Certificate file for Jon, since he was born abroad to US citizen parents.

No, no file or record of his derivative citizenship would be created upon his arrival as an infant in ca. 1900/1901.  Congress did not create the authority for any part of the government to issue such certificates/create such files until 1929, and gave that authority to the INS, now USCIS.  Even then, the 1929 legislation required the derivative citizen (Jon) to be 21 years or older to apply.

What this means is that in or after 1929 Jon could apply for a AA Certificate of Derivative Citizenship.  He was not required to do so, but the reason Congress created the authority was because people like him needed some proof of their citizenship.  If he did so, there would be a file.  If he applied and the certificate was issued between 1929 and March 31, 1956, it would be a AA Certificate File (C-file) with USCIS.  If he applied and the certificate was issued on or after April 1, 1956, it would be in an A-File.

Marian Smith
Origin and meaning of this tea and preserve ceremony #latvia #lithuania #russia

robgoudey@...
 

Hello all.

I found the following reference in Julius Sumner Miller’s autobiography to a ceremony his mother Sarah engaged in. 
Does anybody recognize this?  If so, are you able to tell me anything about its likely origin and significance?
 
“With all the canning Mama did on a large scale, she took time to make something very special. And with it went a 
very special ceremony. It was made with raspberries, both red and black. Mama stewed these with more than ordinary 
care and canned them in jars well marked. They had a special place on the shelves. We dare not touch these for an 
ordinary meal, never. Now a visitor comes – someone from the old country – I can see her at the table with Mama, 
she has a shawl over her head. Mama serves tea in glasses. And I am sent on an errand: get a jar of the special 
preserve. The lady puts a spoonful in her glass of tea. There is no sugar on the table. This is special. When they 
are diverted to something, in another room say, I steal a spoonful of this delectation. Should Mama know this I’m 
a sorry boy”.

Thank you,
Rob.Goudey
 
Re: Yiddish/Hebrew name Shirley and Libby #names

billie.stein@...
 

I think this conversation is backwards - the original name was Yiddish and/or Hebrew. The question should be what English name was chosen based on the original and not the other way around. I know several Sheindls who were Shirley in English  and Yaffa in Hebrew. The fact that Shirley Temple was a very popular child actress at the time these women were either born or immigrated may have had something (a lot?) to do with the choice of name.

Billie Stein
Re: Look-ups requested in Rosenstein's The Unbroken Chain, newest edition #poland

Yossi Jalas
 

Volume 4:
Page 416 - Rebecca Leah, (2'nd wife of Rabbi Moses Judah Leib Zilberberg ABD Kolo, Dobri, Lask & Kutno) was the daughter of Rabbi Zeev Wolf, ABD Piotrikov and Dabie. She died in 1892, Lechowitz.

Page 692 - Sarah, daughter of Zeev Wolf was first wife of Yekutiel Zissel (Zushe) Hakohen Rappaport of Minsk. Husband died 1852.

Yossi Jalas
Re: Family of DAVID BARNETT b 1831 & ANNA SAMUEL b 1837 Russian Poland #poland

Barry Clarke
 

Unfortunately, I don't know where in Poland (other than Russian Poland on the census) my BARNETT family came from. However, my father's much younger, now octogenarian, first cousin and sole living family member from his generation, in an email yesterday, wrote that her father had related to her that her grandfather, SOL(OMON) BARNETT (my great-grandfather) "had cycled to Poland to find the place where his family were from.  My father said they were rural agricultural workers, banned from owning land,  who lived within a walled area on the farm and did not mix with the farm owner, etc."  I wrote back to ask if she meant that our family were agricultural workers or the people who were living there when he visited, which I guess would have been in the late 1800s. It was the latter. Unfortunately, she has no idea where this was in Poland. 

As for the ORIGINAL BARNETT name, as Brian points out, there could be any number of original names. I believe, though, I can now narrow that down in our case. My father had written on a rough family tree in pencil with a question mark in brackets "BIENSTOCK". His cousin yesterday wrote to me that she had been told verbally (by her mother who was only a Barnett by marriage) Bienstock. And she feels certain that she never discussed this with my father. So, we do have two separate accounts, maybe from one original source, of the family name being Bienstock. I suppose I should consider names more like BINSTOK since the family came from Russian Poland (per census) as opposed to Galicia or Prussia. 

Brian, we had an email exchange July 26 - 30 last year when I was beginning my family research. At that point, I was all over the place with different branches of the family. I am now more focused, and the Barnett side will be a future research project. When I come back to it, in 2021 or 2022, with DNA also, I will come back to you too, to explore in detail if there might be some common connection.

Best,

Barry Clarke
British, living in Sarasota
Researching  STEIGLITZ OR SIMILAR, SZKLARKIEWICZ OR SIMILAR that became CLARKE in London, Dublin, Liverpool, Bulawayo, Cape Town, maybe USA too, BINSTOK OR SIMILAR that became BARNETT in Wales, MYERS in Manchester and Cape Town, NEUMARK that became NEWMARK in London and USA, LEVINSON changed to BRAHAM in London. All families originally from Poland
Re: Translation request--GERMAN or POLISH--Viewmate 86449 #translation

oodrual@...
 

If I had looked a bit further I could have seen that what I read as an 'i' was in fact a 't' which makes it a Matrikelschein, in translation  'a registration form/card'.
Ron Peeters
Ulvenhout (NL)
Re: Warsaw immigration visas, 1925 #poland

Marian
 

Hi Jenny,

They do exist today, the only question is exactly where they are filed.

The visas came to the US with the immigrants in 1925.  They were taken up by the Immigrant Inspector at the port of entry, and sent to Washington, DC, where they were filed in the INS/USCIS Visa Files 1924-1944.  But did they remain there?  It depends.

  • If the immigrant naturalized prior to April 1, 1944, the visa should remain in the Visa Files.  In that case a USCIS Genealogy Index Search request is required to obtain the Visa File number (the number needed to request the file).
  • If the immigrant naturalized between April 1, 1944 and March 31, 1956, the visa should have been moved and placed inside the immigrant's naturalization C-File.  If one can find the certificate number (C-number) on the court naturalization petition record or index card, then one can request the C-file in a USCIS Genealogy Record Request.
  • If the immigrant naturalized after March 31, 1956 (or any other action after 3/31/1944) the visa should have been moved and placed inside the immigrant's A-File.  Again, if one can find the A-number on a naturalization index card or other source, one can request the A-file with a USCIS Genealogy Record Request.  Otherwise one will need a USCIS Genealogy Index Search request first to obtain the A-number.
It is unfortunately complicated.  Also, FYI, the "Immigrant Visa Number" on the passenger list is NOT the USCIS Visa File number and cannot be used to request the file.

Marian Smith
Re: Look-ups requested in Rosenstein's The Unbroken Chain, newest edition #poland

N. ARONSON
 

As all my knowledge about Zeev Wolf Landau comes from the book The Unbroken Chain Vol 3, and there no mention is made of any Tiktin, I can unfortunately not help you any further.
I would suggest that your first port of call is to look through the indices of the 5 volumes of above book which have appeared till now. You can find them here:
https://www.avotaynu.com/books/UnbrokenChain-1.html

Or hopefully someone else on this site will recognise the name. Send in a new request with the name Tiktin in the heading, as not everyone will see this.
Success and Shanna Tova

N. Aronson
Re: AA File for Grandfather #romania #usa #records

Kathrynbkj@...
 

I recently learned from an online seminar presented by the JGSGW that children born on ships going to the US were listed on the last page of the ship’s manifest. If you can find that, it might help. Good luck!

Kathryn Kanarek James
Annandale, Virginia
Re: Sailing up and down the river from Raseiniai to Königberg(Kaliningrad) #russia

oodrual@...
 

Dear Ruth,

Exactly the information I was looking for. You may have seen I changed my original question to 19th century which I assume showed similar usage of the water ways.
Thanks a lot,
Ron Peeters
Ulvenhout(NL)
Re: Yiddish/Hebrew name Shirley and Libby #names

Avigdor Ben-Dov <avigdorbd@...>
 

My sister Shirley was Shajne or Shaine in Yiddish.        #names
Avigdor Ben-Dov
Eva FINKELSTEIN ABREMOVICH #canada

Paul Silverstone
 



In 1896 my great aunt Eva FINKELSTEIN (later Abremovich) (1877-1953)
was the first Jew to graduate from what became the University of
Manitoba. During her life she touched the lives of many people in the
Wnnipeg area and was active in many social organizations.
This is probably a fruitless request, but if anyone has any knowledge of
her as to why she continued in school when few women did, I would be
grateful to learn about it. She was married to Manuel Abremovich, a
mechanical engineer.
--
Paul Silverstone
West Vancouver, BC
Warsaw immigration visas, 1925 #poland

jennyrappaport@...
 

My grandmother's siblings immigrated from Poland (now Belarus) to the US in 1925. The ship manifest says that they were issued immigration visas in Warsaw, along with the date that they were granted. Where would I go about finding copies of these visas? Do they still exist?

Jenny Rappaport
Another finding among Bessarabia records (2) - Merchant Dues List and Signed Petition #ukraine #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello researchers,

Here is another in my opinion interesting finding for Bessarabia records.  It is a Merchant Dues List.  The list I found so far was for town of Khotin, 1865.  The reason it was not found before was that the list is among large pack of different documents (not records), and the whole set is only 3 pages.

The list is pretty small. There are only 71 records with full names of Heads of household. Also there is a number of men in the family and number of men 17 years or older.  

Another list found was Signatures of Jews on a Petition on a gathering.  The petition is pretty interesting and it is about one widow with children used to be Merchant, but probably was not able to pay dues and was moved out of Merchant estate to Middle Class... and the petition was to bring that family back to Merchants.  For this list we have 145 records of only Head of Households.  Full names are written in Russian and after that was an Yiddish signature.  This is all.

The text of the petition is about 3 pages long, and if someone is interested to translated it into English, that would be great, and we will know all the details of this gathering and will put it as an article to our Bessarabia website.

There are more interesting findings for the future postings.

All the best,
L'Shana Tovah.

Yefim Kogan
Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Town of Yaroslavl, NE from Moscow #russia

yelena.v.volk@...
 

what do you want to find in Yaroslavl oblast?

That is the site of archive
https://af.yar-archives.ru/

 

sincerely, Elena
yelena.v.volk@...
Jewish Ethnographic Museum #galicia #subcarpathia #ukraine #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear researchers,

I was responding today on an email and was looking up something on internet, and found a terrific place about Jewish towns and shtetl in Ukraine.  Some of them were part of Bessarabia, like Khotin, Novoselitsa, Akkerman, and many more.

Here is a link: http://myshtetl.org/
Site was created by Jewish Religious community of Zhmerinka.

It is in Russian, but it is easy to translate... just click with right mouse and you will see Translate to English, probably similar with other languages.

It lists shtetl by current Oblast in Ukraine, also there are maps with Jewish population, and statistical information.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Re: Vinnitsa 1811 & 1834 Census #ukraine

Jenny Schwartzberg
 

Dear Shmiel,

 

Ooh.  I would love to know if Gelburd and Gordy show in those censuses.  I do note that I expect at some point Alex Krakovsky will be scanning them in the next year or two.

 

Yours,

Jenny Schwartzberg

Chicago, IL

 

From: main@... <main@...> On Behalf Of scyg26@...
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Vinnitsa 1811 & 1834 Census #ukraine

 

I will have a researcher look through the 1811 & 1834 Censuses for Vinnitsa.

If anyone wants me to check their family in this census, shall please
let me know.

Shmiel Gruber
scyg26@...
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