Why a 1911 Registry Office Wedding? #unitedkingdom #general


1911 Registry Office Wedding - Why?

This partially relates to another of my posts today - but this focuses on the marriage of Flora Levin (Florie Levien)  and David Lurie in 1911.  I was really surprised' to see that they had been married in the Registry Office in Liverpool and that the line 'according to the rites and ceremonies of' had been crossed out. Flora's uncle was Rabbi Lewis Levin/e was in Liverpool at this time and his son Nathan Levine was a witness.  Nathan also became Rabbi or Rev. The second witness was also a wider family member. I could be wrong, but this suggests that it wasn't a registry office wedding because they had married out of faith. This family was known to disown anyone that did in later years. The bride is described as a spinster and the groom as Bachelor. I haven't been able to find a marriage authorisation either. Why would a marriage authorisation not be given? Could this be why it was a registry office wedding?
Rachel Poole

Searching: LEVIN/E- Belarus, UK, SILVER - UK, Russia/Poland, COHEN- - Latvia, UK, LYPSYZC/LIFSHITS/LYONS - Belarus, UK, USA

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir

HI! So far, I have not found any online records for my family in Zhitomir .  i have wanted to get my mother's "birth certificate" from May 26,1908 ( old style ) ( Leyke Zalmanovna Postalov ) or my grandparents marriage ( Postalov/G/Herman )  info from 1906/7 or any kind of city directory showing my GGF (Dovid H/Gersh H/German )  who had a grain store (?) or a record of his wife (Rivke Kolovsky (?)) who died sometime between 1908 and 1923 or any tax or census record which might show names of children to see if there was a brother Yudl . The only record I have is on the JG burial records where there is a photo of the gravestones of my great aunt and her husband ( Karmazin ) from recent times  which has an error in the Hebrew . None of the surviving Russian relatives have any ideas  about Yudl ; the only reference to a Yudl was a family photo from 1908 in which there is a modern-looking young man that my mother identified as Yudl who was supposed to have died in the army or a pogrom. . As far as I know the only way to get info is to contact some archivist in Ukraine . Is there anything online  for Zhitomir or the Lutsk area where I have even less info on my father's side ?
Henry H. Carrey

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Paulo Abrahamsohn

L’Shana Tova to Avraham and to all JewishGeners. And a warm thanks for helping me with data during my searches.

Paulo Abrahamsohn. Sao Paulo. Brazil

Re: LAKOBOVIC or JAKOBOVIC? #names #russia #ukraine


OEFF  - perhaps consider IOFE and variants.
Paul Hattori
London UK

MINDEL, MINDELL from Utena and Vyzuonos, Lithuania
FELLER from Pabrade, Lithuania

Local History - CJH Genealogy Coffee Break shout-out #usa #records #names

Lee Jaffe

I would like to give a big shout-out to Center for Jewish History's weekly Genealogy Coffee Break series and in particular last week's session which lead to a big break-through in my family tree research.

Maybe the strategies and tools suggested in this program (you can see the recording at the above link)  might be second-nature to more experienced researchers, but it really got me to explore areas I hadn't considered before.   Specifically, following their suggestions I discovered that my grandfather's hometown newspaper (The Perth Amboy Evening News) has been digitized by Rutgers U. and is available to search and view through the Library of Congress's Chronicling America project (  The search tools are quite good and it turned out that my great-grandparents and my grandfather and his siblings were very active in various social and political (and legal) arenas, enough to get mentioned often in these pages.  For papers of that time, "Mr. Joseph Schwartz motored to Princeton yesterday" was newsworthy.  Lucky me.  

There were a lot of meaningful items retrieved through a series of searches:  my grandparents' wedding announcement, my great-grandfather's run for election as alderman (Socialist Party) and his death announcement, a front page item detailing my great-uncle's arrest for grand larceny at the age of 14, and a letter commending the same great-uncle for meritorious service in France during WWI. I even found an item describing a boating party of young people listing my still-unmarried grandmother and grandfather in attendance.  

More curious were some of the more oblique references.  One of these included a description of the will of a recently deceased businessman, mentioning my great-grandfather as a trustee and brother-in-law, a family connection that was news to me.  There were a couple of social events attended my great-grandparents and a number of Weinblatts, which I believed was my great-grandmother's maiden name, but I had no documentation nor information about her family.

Refining my searches, I found my Rosetta Stone: a death announcement for the wife of the above-mentioned businessman, detailing her surviving family, including her husband, children, father, and six Weinblatt siblings, one of whom was my great-grandmother.  In two paragraphs, I added ten family members, including my 2x great-grandfather.
True, it took several days of digging, reviewing more than 100 items retrieved through different search attempts.  There were a more than a few false leads, such as two Leo Schwartzes, one a city health commissioner and president of a local synagogue, when the Leo Schwartz who is my grandfather was still in knee pants.  
I mention this experience for several reasons.  First, I want to recommend the Center for Jewish History's weekly Genealogy Coffee Breaks.  Though they seem aimed mostly at the beginner, even an experienced researcher can learn something new.  I've been looking for these people for more than 20 years and the other approaches I tried haven't worked.  Finally, a caveat, that this particular strategy won't work for everyone: not every town has a newspaper (or archive) that's searchable online and, even for those that do, finding an item like the one I discovered has to be a rare event.  But it's still worth "thinking laterally" – going around brick walls when you haven't been able to break through them.  

Shana Tova,

Lee Jaffe

USCIS Genealogy Program Questions #records #usa

Aaron Slotnik

Hello Fellow Genners,

Prior to the previous increase in USCIS genealogy program fees nearly 4 years ago, I submitted a number of requests at that time.  With the dramatic increase in USCIS genealogy program fees looming, I reviewed the results of those requests to see if there was anything outstanding or follow ups that I wanted to try to resolve.  As a result of that review, I have the following questions for the group:

  1. I submitted an index search request for my great-grandmother.  The response I received was "that the Alien Registration Form (AR-2) is the only file available for purchase from the USCIS Genealogy Program; no A-File exists".  This was consistent with my expectations; however, I subsequently found that she traveled back to Europe with my teenage grandmother to visit family.  This surprising realization was the result of finding their return passenger manifest by chance (  That manifest indicates that a visa was issued to her in Warsaw to enable her to return.  Should I resubmit a new index search request with this new information in hopes that the visa application file will be found?
  2. I submitted a request for my grandfather's derivative citizenship replacement file, but received a response that the file "had been lost and/or misplaced".  He gained citizenship as a child through his father's naturalization in 1920.  I have his physical naturalization certificate from 1947 and used that number to make the request, but am hoping that the full file may have some additional information such as his birth record from Europe.  Should I resubmit the same request in hopes that it is found?

Shana Tova,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL

1869 Hungarian Census #hungary #translation

Shana Millstein

I am trying to decipher the handwriting used in the 1869 Hungarian census. It doesn't seem to fall into any one specific type of script. In the entries I am trying to figure out some letters look like Kurrent, some like Roman cursive, and some unlike anything I am familiar with.  I am struggling with making sense on a number of entries that would really help me in my family research. Can anyone enlighten me, help me decipher the segments I am most interested in? I have uploaded them to Viewmate.  Thank you for any advice, leads. So far, my best guess is that the entires of my interest are in Roman script with some letters (like k) in Kurrent and some I cannot make out. 
Shana Millstein #66829
San Francisco area

Re: Agricultural colony of Zhankoye #russia

Alan Shuchat

Here's an old video of Pete Seeger singing about Zhankoye in Yiddish:
There's an English translation at, and I've attached a map showing where Zhankoye is in Crimea.
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

Seeking photo of grandfather's shop, Vienna #austria-czech

Selma Sheridan

In the 1930s, my grandfather, Israel SIGAL, had a small textile shop with his name on the front, at Weyprechtgasse 3 in the 16th District / Ottakring.  The landlord was named Kretschmer.  Although the shop was vandalized and looted, the building survived the wartime bombing and presently holds a physician's office.  Would photos exist of the 1930s storefront before the atrocities began, in city archives or elsewhere?  Any positive suggestions would be much appreciated.  Many thanks!
Selma Sheridan
Oswego NY

Re: LAKOBOVIC or JAKOBOVIC? #names #russia #ukraine

Sherri Bobish


Try doing a soundex search at Ancestry or FamilySearch or the Ellis Island Database at

You will get hits with alternative spellings, i.e. Lakubovic, Lakabovicz, Lucobovitz, and others.

A soundex search of
JAKOBOVIC on Ancestry shows people with that name that changed it to HILLMAN during naturalization.


Sherri Bobish

Re: DNA results vs records #dna

Adam Turner

I make no judgment on whether your grandnephew and mother's assertions on your family's Latvian origins are correct - only more research can prove whether they are right. But there is nothing inconsistent with the following clues you've mentioned:

-if your mother/grandnephew are correct, your family likely immigrated from some part of present-day Latvia
-they were Jewish, but considered themselves "Prussian" in some cultural sense
-their immigration records, which may predate the establishment of Latvia as an independent country post-WWI, say they came from "Russia".
-your AncestryDNA ethnicity estimate may list your DNA as being a part of an ethnic Community that includes Germany, suggesting that they may have been part of a population that had lived somewhere well west of Latvia several hundred years ago.

To understand why all of these are very easily reconcilable with one another, you need to acquire some familiarity with Latvian history, and particularly the history of Jews in Latvia. This article from Professor Ruvin Ferber, posted a long time ago by the JewishGen Latvia SIG, seems like one useful starting point on the latter topic:

Adam Turner

Re: Zagradowka, Ukraine #ukraine #latinamerica

Sherri Bobish


I did read that Mennonite farmers settled in that area, and that Jewish farmers co-settled with German Mennonite families.

And, quoting from the website noted below:
"Zagradovka Colonies   The Zagradovka colonies were to the west of the Ingulez River on 60,000 acres.  The land was purchased by Leo V. Kochubey in 1871 for the purpose of establishing daughter colonies for the Molotschna Mennonites.  There were 16 colonies settled between 1872 and 1883.  Another colony to the north, Nikolaidorf, considered itself a part of the Zagradovka settlement except administratively.   It was sold in 1908 to Russians."


Sherri Bobish

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

David Mason

Has anyone checked with the district civil registry (РАЦС = RATS in Ukrainian; ЗАГС = ZAGS in Russian)?  Ostroh is the administrative center of its district, so the civil registry for the whole district would be there.   Looks like their phone is +380 (3654) 2-30-92.  Email: vcs@... 


Phone calls should probably be done by someone fluent in Russian or Ukrainian, but emailing in English might actually work.  Chances are reasonably good that someone in the registry knows English, or they can recruit someone to translate.


-David Mason, Los Angeles

L'Shana Tovah v'Metuka #general

Yefim Kogan

Dear Researchers,

Shana Tovah! 

Happy New Year to all of you.  Let's new 5781 bring hope for everybody.

Be safe and healthy.

Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia group Leader and Coordinator

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Nancy Reicher

How about Records from Cherson City and Odessa.

Nancy Reicher

Re: Registry Files: USCIS information #records


No, the purpose of creating records under the Registry Act of 1929 was to belatedly create an arrival record so it could be used as the basis of a certificate of arrival.  The ability to issue a certificate of arrival was the whole point of Registry proceedings.

That said, if the certificate of arrival number has the letter "R" in it (as in #-R-#####) or you find the word "Registry" written or stamped on the document, those can be clues to the existence of a Registry File.

Marian Smith

Re: DNA results vs records #dna

JoAnne Goldberg

When  I first tested, I had this naive hope that I'd get some clues as
to where my father's family lived prior to immigrating to the United
States. No such luck! All anyone (Ancestry, 23, MH, FTDNA) can tell me
is that I'm Jewish which I already kinda knew.

The problem with the different sample populations is that records are
sparse in most countries. The members of the sample may think their
ancestors lived in the same country for the last 500 years, but
generally no proof other than family lore.  Ancestry even says that they
use family trees as an input, and we know how well-documented a lot of
those are. So for non-Jews, it's a best guess estimate that will
continue to evolve as Ancestry et al refine their samples.
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Re: DNA results vs records #dna

Elaine King

I appreciate all the answers to my question. Altogether, it just gets more confusing. I have a great-nephew who says my father's family came from Krustpils, Latvia. I can find no records indicating this, and he won't answer me as to why he thinks this. I found a list of residents of Krustpils, but their name wasn't on it. My mother said my father's family came here from Riga, though they were Prussian. But again, there is no record I can find to indicate this. I thought they might have belonged to a synagogue there, and wrote the officials in Riga asking this, but they couldn't find any records either. All I know is that the US immigration records consistently say Russia, which, from what everyone is saying, might mean anywhere. I also appreciate the information about why they knew English. Since they were merchants, that would make sense.

Elaine King

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שנה טובה

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