Family Tree #general


I made my family tree for many years,  and posted it on MyCanvas, from Alexanders.( Familily Roimiser, Roimisher, Roemicher, Romischer...etc).  Since that site uses Flash Player, which will disappear before the end of 2020, the site will disappear as well, and our books too. I preserve the copied material, but the possibility of continuing to edit a book that has been built for so many years ends. Does anyone go through this experience, and perhaps have a solution?
Thank you

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna


I am not very skilled at this, but I understand some people have been able to really narrow things down by using 

I would also suggest going back to your oldest relatives and asking if they knew about any Jews who had converted to Catholicism stories. 

And of course trying to get in touch with the closest DNA matches...

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Janis and Joe Datz

How about birth, marriage and death records as well as revision lists for Mogilev Podol'sk and Kopaigorod Ukraine?
Janis Friedenberg Datz

Re: 1869 Hungarian Census #hungary #translation

Phil Karlin

I couldn't find your Viewmate, so I can just speak generally.
Lots of helpful links, including Kurrent letters, at Find the 1869 Census in the Wiki, it explains column headings. 

I muddled through translating with a combination of Google Translate, guessing and cross referencing to other info I already had or could find. The Googling was often putting in the English, seeing what Hungarian or Slovakian popped up, and seeing if it was close to what I was looking for. Can't figure out a letter? If you have the others in the word, make a guess then try to verify it. For town names, there are resources here and on FamilySearch. I also found tremendously useful for finding old names for towns. 

I hope that's helpful. 

Phil Karlin

Re: 50 State Survey Finds One Out of 10 Millennials and Generation Z Didi Not Recall Word 'Holocaust: or Basic Facts of the Genocide #announcements # holocaust #announcements #usa

Phil Karlin

I think those numbers are pretty good. 

10% of Americans don't have a high school diploma or GED. Less than 40% have a bachelors degree. Less than 3% of Americans are Jewish. Ignorance of history extends far beyond and probably exceeds ignorance about the history most important to us. What do you think those numbers would have been if the survey had been about the Armenian Genocide, or the 1921 Tulsa Massacre, a classic pogrom perpetrated on African-Americans? Do you know how many were killed in the Chinese Cultural Revolution? 

I'm all for Holocaust education. But these numbers are not cause for alarm. They represent great success in these efforts.  

Phil Karlin

Re: Segel- name or title #names



David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 9/20/2020 12:55 AM, zionsharav wrote:
The name "Segel" is said to have also been an honorific sometimes added
to surnames of rabbinical-levitical families.
Is anyone aware of the tradition surrounding the use of it?
-Ari Dale

Segel- name or title #names

zionsharav <ari@...>

The name "Segel" is said to have also been an honorific sometimes added
to surnames of rabbinical-levitical families.
Is anyone aware of the tradition surrounding the use of it?
-Ari Dale

Re: JewishGen Discussion Group re: KAMINSKY #russia

Paul Shapiro

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:07 PM, @vshklyarnik wrote:
Thanks so much for this very detailed response.  It does seem possible that Reizl could be Rose.  She did live on Henry St at one point, so very possible that she could be related to the person at 100 Henry St.  I have not spent enough time researching my Russian roots to really follow all of the other hints that you've described but I've saved this email and will follow up and try to discover more as I am able.

Thanks again,
Paul Shapiro

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Chuck Weinstein

Birth, marriage, and death records for Zhitomir are in the archives in that city.  The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People in Jerusalem has film of birth records through 1907.  Alex Krakovsky has posted Revision List scans for Zhitomir, but he has not yet been able to film metrical records, as of yet.  When the archives reopen, we expect to see more records from Zhitomir. Marriage records from 1895-1916 have been acquired by Ukraine Research Division from the CAHJP and indexes will be posted to the JewishGen Ukraine database when they are ready.  

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division

Re: 50 State Survey Finds One Out of 10 Millennials and Generation Z Didi Not Recall Word 'Holocaust: or Basic Facts of the Genocide #announcements # holocaust #announcements #usa


I went to school in New Jersey in the 50's and there was very little taught about World War II and later.  I guess they made the ridiculous assumption that since it was relatively recent we all knew about it. I was one year old when the war ended and don't remember anything about it :)

Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: 50 State Survey Finds One Out of 10 Millennials and Generation Z Didi Not Recall Word 'Holocaust: or Basic Facts of the Genocide #announcements # holocaust #announcements #usa

Sam G.

Prof. Lipstadt hits the nail on the head when she states: "These lessons remain relevant today in order to understand not only anti-Semitism, but also all the other 'isms' of society. There is real danger to letting them fade."

I belatedly came to recognize my obligation as a Second Genner to use the sordid history to stir the Millenial and Gen Z demographic to recognize the code words being spread online. These are mere retreads of the kind of hate speech my late father encountered as a ten-year old in Ilmenau, (Thuringia) Germany. If these young people do not know history, they will miss the point:  repetitive racist tropes are mere words, but when left unchallenged, lead to belief in conspiracies--and worse, misguided action by "true believers". We recently saw it play out by a 17-year-old in the streets of Kenosha, Wis. 

On the 50th anniversary of Kristallnacht, my father, noting that the name of a former Grand Wizard of the KKK was on the presidential ballot, rhetorically asked: "It can't happen here? That's what my parents thought too." Less than four years after hoodlums smashed windows of Jewish homes and businesses throughout Germany,  my grandparents were forced onto a transport on May 10, 1942 , culminating in their eventual murder somewhere "in the east".

The lesson that bears repeating is that the time to amplify Holocaust history is the moment we read and hear words of hate, division, xenophobia and support for authoritarian government. You can't blame the adherents of the "isms" Prof. Lipstadt refers to because ignorance.  The aim of my recent memoir, Loss and Legacy,  is to educate them. As I write: "Our father left us an indelible truth: Mere words laid the groundwork for what was to become the most heinous example of mankind's inhumanity."

-Amnon Gronner, USA

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Gary Pokrassa

regarding Odessa - there are index files (in Cyrillic) posted by Alex Krakovsky atАрхіви/ДАОО/39/6

regarding Zhitomir - there are index files (in Cyrillic) posted by Alex Krakovsky atАрхіви/ДАЖО/67/

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Re: Searching Michael GOLDSMITH Volochysk/Podvolochisk #ukraine

Adam Turner

There are currently virtually no records from Volochysk in the JewishGen Ukraine database, outside of a handful of people listed in the Vsia Rossiia business directory and a few cases of people from Volochysk who are mentioned in the vital records of other towns and cities. Maybe Alex Krakovsky's wiki will eventually have more; at the moment, I think the only Volochysk records on his wiki are from a census list covering all of that district. There is also some good info on the Volochysk KehilaLink.

Pidvolochysk was part of Austria-Hungary until World War I, and consequently many of its records have been translated and indexed by JRI-Poland and Gesher Galicia, where they can be searched.

Adam Turner

Re: Info and questions please #general #russia

Alan Shuchat

In addition to Kherson having been a gubernia in southern Ukraine, it is a city that was the capital of the gubernia. Odessa is a city that was in that gubernia.
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

Re: DNA results vs records #dna

Jill Whitehead

If Elaine's ancestors came from New East Prussia, the area around Konigsberg, now Kaliningrad, she would have been on the borders of the Suwalki Lomza gubernias in NE Poland which used to be in Lithuania in medieval times, but went through several different ownerships in the 18th and 19th centuries (Prussian, Napoleon, and Russia's Pale of Settlement) and then formed part of the front line in both WW1 and WW2 between Germany and the Allies . in 1919, the northern part of these gubernias returned from Poland to Lithuania. The border changes were very fluid over many centuries and Russia held sway for much of the 19th century in this area.

It was common for those coming from Suwalki Lomza to say they came from Konigsberg/New East Prussia when they went West in the 19th century. All my eight great grandparents came from these gubernias and all of them emigrated to the UK between 1865 and 1875. Some of them said they came from New East Prussia, as likely they were smuggled over the border and likely they sailed across the Baltic from Konigsberg. And their homeland was part of Prussia in their parents' time, but then later on became part of Russia. My ancestors' census and naturalization information say they came from Russian Poland on the whole, because when they arrived Poland was part of the Russian Pale of Settlement.

Depending which DNA provider you go with you get different results - they are not attuned to Jewish DNA and you need more sensitive analysis which can be provided by some specialist DNA providers (I have had this done). On Ancestry (which in my view is the least sensitive), 23andme, FTDNA and My Heritage, I am given wildly different ancestry make ups varying from 100% Ashkenazi to seven eighths Ashkenazi/one eighth Sephardic and to 89% Ashkenazi and 11% Russian/East European. It depends on the reference populations the companies use. And some of the reference populations may self -identify with one country or another, depending who ruled when their families left. Or who rules it today. 

I would take most of the DNA results from the big companies with a barge pole as none of them agree with each other. But at the end of the day it is the combination of the paper trail and DNA results that counts. You need to track your family tree by tried and trusted means before trying to match them to DNA.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Searching Michael GOLDSMITH Volochysk/Podvolochisk #ukraine

Sherri Bobish

Pevsner family in Zaporozky , Ukraine #ukraine

Joan Kadonoff

Looking for any records of my Pevsner family, grandfather Gershon and his son Mordecai . Mordecai and his brothers owned a department store there which was burned down in a program in the early 1900 s . The brothers left What was then Russia and my Grandfather Mordecai( Max)came to Montreal. The Russian government allowed compensation for the building and one brother went back to claim it .

Joan Kadonoff

Looking for Yaakov Rotem — Yad Vashem testimonies reporter #holocaust #galicia


Looking for Yaakov Rotem (or relative) Yad Vashem testimonial reporter who reported murders of Wilder family members from Lwow.
Nina Talbot, Brooklyn, NY

Re: LAKOBOVIC or JAKOBOVIC? #names #russia #ukraine

Harvey Kabaker

Also, perhaps this is the way the clerk wrote a capital I, and made a capital L with a longer leg, but we would need to examine more of her or his work to confirm it.

BTW, I don't think the Kabakiers/Kabakers are related to Kabaks or Kabakoffs, Kabakovs, etc.

Harvey Kabaker
Silver Spring, Md.

Re: Ordering USCIS records for appeal/rehearing


Hi Judy,


Let me try to reply to your questions:

1) Is there likely to be any correspondence about this case?


There was correspondence in 1906 because the file is indexed in an index to correspondence.  The only questions are whether it survives, and whether it can be found.

2) If so, is 50,030-1 the index case number, in which case I can use it on a Genealogy Records Request USCIS Form G-1041A to see if there is any correspondence about this?  or do I have to still submit a request to find the index case number?


Yes, the file number referenced (50030-1) is the number needed to request the file from the National Archives (do not request from USCIS!).  


All the INS immigration correspondence prior to 1957 has transferred to NARA and falls into either the Letters Received, 1882-1906 (NAID 1564919) OR the Subject Correspondence 1906-1957 (NAID 559947).  Because you have a number from 1906 we don’t know in which it will be found (assuming it survives).  So you’ll need to provide the file number and BOTH possible locations.


Since NARA is closed, I suggest you send a request via their “Your Inquiry” form here:

Write your request in the text box, and provide the following citation:

RG 85

NAID 1564919  - OR -  NAID 559947

File # 50030-1


Be sure to provide your email/phone number.  They’ll let you know if they find it or not, and if there are any copying fees (I don’t know if there are).

3) What is Section 11?


Section 11 of the Immigration Act of March 3, 1903.  They are citing it as the authority for some action in that case.  You’ll find the text of section 11 on page 1216 of this online PDF , where it is summarized as “Return of alien accompanying rejected, helpless, etc., alien.”  Presumably, this is the authority to deport Shmuel to accompany Wolf back to where they came from.

Good luck!

Marian Smith

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