Looking for Chune Rosen from Zhitomir , Brooklyn and Massachusetts #usa

Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir

In the 1920’s , my grandmother received a heartfelt request by her brother in-law Shloyme Karmazin to find his half-brother Mishchune “ Chune” Rosen ( or Roisen ) and he gave an address of Mr. Rosen 3 Ditmas Ave. in Brooklyn . From what I can make out , they had sent several letters to the above address and received no reply . His wife’s name looks like “ Malyeh “ or a Yiddish transcription of “Molly” . The writer uses a few English words in the Yiddish e.g. “leters” instead of the Yiddish “briv’. which is why I think Mem Aleph Lamed Yud Hey is an attempt to spell Molly in Yiddish.

The Karmazins survived the war with their children and grandchildren , having taken the last trains out of Zhitomir in 1941 a few days before the Germans arrived. Of the adult men who fought with Soviet army , one was killed and one survived . The ones who made it to Israel and Brooklyn in 1992 asked me to try to find this family . All they could tell me is that they were very helpful in sending money/food/whatever to the family in Russia during the famine/pogroms after the 1918 Revolution . They heard that the family had moved to Massachusetts but they had left the address when they fled to Uzbekistan .

I spent many hours in NARA in Varick St. in the early 2000’s , looking in vain through many Charles/Harry/Hyman Rosen naturalization records for one who came from Zhitomir .

I tried look up a Rosen in Brooklyn at Ditmas Ave in City Directories and couldn’t find anything that seemed to match .

Has anyone got any ideas of what else I could do to find this person ?


Henry Carrey - Zhitomir: Postalov/Herman/German/Roisen Lutsk : Kirzner/Brestyaner/Isenberg/

Henry H. Carrey

Oct. 7: Zoom program on donating your family papers #events #announcements

Moriah Amit

Family History Today: Donating your Family Papers - How, When, Where, and Why?
Presented by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute at the Center for Jewish History and the Leo Baeck Institute
October 7, 4 PM ET

Karen Franklin, Director of Family Research at the Leo Baeck Institute, is donating her voluminous family papers to LBI, providing her a unique dual perspective on the donation process as both a donor and a recipient. This session will address what you can do to organize and prepare your collection for donation to ensure that the material will be accessible and meaningful to future researchers. Karen will cover topics including the types of collections that are accepted, what to do with difficult and personal information, and requesting access restrictions. She will also share a few of the many family secrets she uncovered in the process of preparing her donation!.

Ticket Info: Pay what you wish; register at /tickets/family-history-today-2020-10-07 to receive a link to the Zoom program

PLEASE NOTE: Our system cannot currently handle registrations from outside the U.S. For international registrants only: please send an email to programs@... with your name, email address and the name of the program for which you would like to sign up. We will register you manually and send you the Zoom link for the program. This is a free program, but donations are welcome at

This program is supported, in part, by a major grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities: Exploring the Human Endeavor, as well as by funding from The New York Community Trust's NYC COVID-19 Response and Impact Fund, and public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council.

Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY

Re: Mogilev or Mogilev? #belarus #ukraine


There is no quick and easy solution to determine which Mogilev is the right. All available sources, primary, e.g. census records and family registers, and secondary, e.g. business directories need to be consulted just to see where a name in question was known to exist.

Moreover, "a citizen of N" does not necessarily mean that a person, or even his father, lived in that town. It was difficult to change the registration officially, so a Jew could be a registered resident (more accurate translation) of N, but live in O and P, and his son could move to Q and R and still be a registered resident of N.


Zharov is not that uncommon name which was used by both Jews and gentiles. There was, for example an immensely popular, as Russian as they go, movie actor, Mikhail Zharov. He had a Jewish connection, actually: wife No. 4, Maya Gelshtein.

Boris Feldblyum
FAST Genealogy Service

Mogilev or Mogilev? #belarus #ukraine

Lee Jaffe

Recent translations of Russian Empire documents through ViewMate indicate my great-grandfather was "a citizen of Mohilev."   This is news to me, since all previous info connected him to Snovsk (Shchors), Chernigov, Ukraine.  Checking JewishGen's Town Finder (Communities Database), I find two towns called "Mogilev" before WWI:

Mohyliv-Podilskyy, Ukraine.
Mahilyow, Belarus.

Does anyone have a suggestion about how to determine which town is most likely referred to as Mohilev in 1890-1904 Russian Empire documents?  I've tried searching the family Joroff/Zharov in the Belarus town as a possible indicator  – not a common name and none I can connect to my family – but haven't found an equivalent database for Ukraine for comparison.  I thought about proximity but neither is close enough to the Chernigov region to make it a likely contender.  

Thank you for any suggestions you can offer,

Lee Jaffe
JAFFE / Suchowola, Poland
STEIN/SZTEJNSAPIR / Lomza? Bialystok?
SCHWARTZ / Perth Amboy, NJ
KOSHKIN / Snovsk, Ukraine

New additions to the Lezajsk (לידזענסק) gravestones Database #announcements #galicia

Moses Jefferson

Hello all.

As announced in this post, I have committed myself to compile the names and relevant genealogical data from the recent unearthed Matzevot discovered in the  town square.

Today I’m happy to announce that another been 32 names have been added to the database, which can be searched here, which totals to 65 names.

Previously it seemed that the earliest gravestone is dated from 1915, but now the earliest seems to be from 1900. Also there’s apparently 3 Matzevot identified to have belonged to descendants of the famed Rabbi Elimelech of Lezajsk.


Moses Jefferson
Genealogist & Researcher of Jewish History
London, UK

Re: Zoom events at the Holocaust Education and Learning Centre at the University of Huddersfield #announcements #events #holocaust

Michael Sharp

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 02:25 AM, Michael Sharp wrote:
The Holocaust Education and Learning Centre at the University of Huddersfield has relaunched its events programme in a covid-secure form using Zoom. Details can be found at

All zoom events are free but must be booked in advance.

The first event is on Thursday 1st October and is a conversation between survivor Rudi Leavor and Dame Louise Ellman on past and current experiences of antisemitism. Louise Ellman is one of the former members of the UK parliament who was vilified by anti-semites when the party was being led by Jeremy Corbyn

Future events include presentations on the Arolsen archives, the USHMM collection, the role of bureaucrats in the Nazi crimes, antisemitism and The Russian revolution, and Jewish refugees in Shanghai and in the Dominican Republic.

To book, click on the button for the event concerned and enter your details. A zoom link will be sent out approx. 2 days before each event. Please note the advertised times are London time.

Michael Sharp

 I have just been told of ticketing problems with the HELC website earlier today.

These have now been resolved.

So if  anyone experienced problems booking for an event earlier today, you should have success now

Michael Sharp

Re: Require help in understanding items on the attached New York marriage certificate #records

Alan Shuchat

It's possible that the line next to "Number of Bride's Marriage" is Juropp or even Yuropp, based on the handwriting in the groom's first name (Jacob/Jakob). This comes right below the bride's parents' names. Since there are other lines for residences and birthplaces, perhaps the person writing this meant the parents lived in or came from Europe. 
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

Researcher in Belarus #belarus

Yaron Wolfsthal

Dear Group,
I'd appreciate a well-experienced reference to a researcher in Brest and Volkovysk.
Thank you very much - Yaron Wolfsthal

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia


Any chance to find on-line digital records from the Rovno (Rivne) region? I am looking for any available records including birth and marriage certificates of my mother's father side: Eiger/Eger/Iger family who resided there from 1850 and until the Holocaust took place in 1941. Any hints will be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance. 

Re: Request translation of extract from family register #germany #translation


Thank you so much! It is likely that this is the closest I can get to learning date and place of marriage since NY did not start vital records until 1847. It also tells me that there was information flowing from NY to Mainz family.  

Diane M. Jacobs

Re: Database of names in messages #names

Judy Kaufman <judykaufman7@...>

For the second link, for the older records, I see a search field for searching all the records at once.  But I don’t see that for the first link, for the newer records? 

Judy Kaufman
Irvine, CA

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Gary Pokrassa

response to Jim Gutterman

the 1851 and 1858 revision lists are online with 3,469 records indexed and searchable.   Otherwise nothing else specific to this town - and not much in Alex K for the Rovno district in which this town is located
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Re: Zoom events at the Holocaust Education and Learning Centre at the University of Huddersfield #announcements #events #holocaust

Sharan E. Newman

I  visited the Centre two years ago and was impressed with the exhibition.  I would also like to attend the talks.

Re: Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester #unitedkingdom

Joan A. Baronberg

Thanks for bringing up this question. I am interested in North Manchester Jewish life in the 1880s too. I just tried Google-ing both schools and there is related info. at several sites. Here is one:

Joan Baronberg, Denver, CO, USA
Suchostow, Ukraine; Manchester, UK
Master, Mester, Weisser, Friedman

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna


Hi Jesse,

Your dad's results definitely point to one fully Ashkenazi grandparent as the most likely possibility. When this is a surprise, usually it's a grandfather. The most likely scenario is also that one of your father's known grandfathers was not his biological grandfather; this is referred to as an MPE (misattributed parentage event). I personally would not trust MorleyDNA because I've heard haplogroups aren't always correct. If possible, I would have your dad do the following:
  • Test at AncestryDNA because they have the largest database. Determine whether you can find matches to all 4 of your father's grandparents.
  • Have you father test at 23andme. They will give you a basic paternal haplogroup, and if the Ashkenazi Jewish grandparent is his maternal grandfather, he very likely will have Ashkenazi painted on his X chromosome. 
  • You may also want to have known relatives test if your results don't yield any conclusive answers.

I say all of this as a professional genetic genealogist who specializes in Jewish DNA cases such as these. I'm also the moderator of the Jewish genetic genealogy group on Facebook.

If you have any questions, please let me know. 

Take care,
Adina Newman
Sharon, MA

Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester #unitedkingdom


My great uncle David Isaacs writes in his diaries that he and his siblings attended St. Luke’s Primary School in Cheetham, North Manchester in 1888. He also mentions attending the Jews School in Cheetham, North  Manchester In 1891. Does anyone have information about these schools or can tell me if there are any records of attendance at these schools? Thank you
Kathryn Berman, Jerusalem
researching: Lipkin, Zagare. Lichtenstein, kercerovce, (now Slovakia) . Isaacs, Leeuwarden. Isaacs, Manchester. Levy, Falmouth, Cornwall.


Re: What would be a full set of naturalization records in NYC from the 1850's? #records

Steve Stein

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 01:26 PM, Barbara Ellman wrote:
"6 pages on what a great guy he was without any genealogical information"

For those of us who have more than one SOB relative, "what a great guy he was" could be considered genealogical information.

Steve Stein

Re: One Thousand Years Ago and Genetic Defects? #dna

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

The defective gene is not inherited by all Eastern European Jews, but those who have it have the same mutation. This is the same situation with Tay-Sachs Disease and Stanley Diamond's family's thalassemia, and some other blood diseases. Someone long ago had a mutation, randomly, most likely, and it is now common among Eastern European Jews.

The same thing happens in other peoples, with Cystic Fibrosis more common in the English, and some other blood diseases, but Jews are very inbred, ours are very obvious.

There are several Paget's Diseases, my grandfather had Paget's disease of the bone, which is not a cancer; I only mention it because Dr. Paget discovered several diseases.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: One Thousand Years Ago and Genetic Defects? #dna

Adam Turner seems like a reasonable starting point.

It should be noted that what you've communicated about your conversation with your doctor appears to be a rather muddled version of the facts:

  • there is no single "defective gene for breast cancer." Breast cancer is a number of different diseases which have a multitude of different causes, and only a small minority of breast cancer cases are attributable to genetics. Your doctor was probably referring to tumors that result from having a bad copy of the BRCA1/BRCA2 tumor suppressor genes, which are indeed attributable to genetics and are disproportionately prevalent in Ashkenazi Jews, but there are other genes (p53 and several others) which also have been found to cause breast cancer.
  • Ashkenazi Jews are nowhere close to 10% of all global breast cancer diagnoses. There are about 2.1 million breast cancer diagnoses per year globally, and I am pretty confident that there are not 210,000 diagnoses per year among the 5 million or so Ashkenazi women in the world. Maybe they are 10% of all diagnoses among the small subset of breast cancer diagnoses associated with BRCA1/BRCA2 mutations, although I am inclined to doubt this also, and I'm too lazy to try and hunt down the exact numbers right now. I suspect that your doctor might have been referring to a different statistic with the "10%" figure: Out of all the breast cancer diagnoses per year among Ashkenazi Jewish women, about 10% of those are attributable to BRCA1/BRCA2 mutations.
  • BRCA1/BRCA2 mutations were not inherited by all Ashkenazi Jews. Only about 1 in 40 Jewish women have a mutation in one of these genes.
  • Ashkenazi Jews are not the only population with BRCA1/BRCA2 mutations, but the reason for this is not "some non-Jewish person a thousand years ago was the first human being on Earth to have the mutation, and then they or one of their descendants converted to Judaism, resulting in both Jews and non-Jews being susceptible." Rather, there were dozens of different (though still rare) mutation events affecting the same BRCA1/BRCA2 genes that occurred at various times to people of a whole bunch of different ethnicities, and it's simply that for a variety of reasons (chiefly, that Ashkenazi Jews were a small and historically insular population), the single mutation that occurred in an Ashkenazi person centuries ago has been unfortunately conserved among Jews to a degree that other mutations to the same genes have generally not been when they occurred in people of other ethnicities. There is a chart of all the different identified mutations to BRCA1/BRCA2 that have been associated with people of dozens of different ethnicities: Dutch, Japanese, American Indians, etc. at
Adam Turner

Re: New JewishGen Partnership with USC Shoah Foundation’s Visual History Archive® #JewishGenUpdates

Phil Karlin

This is great news. The USC Shoah Foundation Archive is wonderful. It's a great resource. 

I've been trying to get in to a local partner to view one of the interviews that are not online. Covid is preventing for now.

Phil Karlin

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