Re: issues of DNA privacy #dna

Bob Silverstein

Hi Judy,

Randy Schoenberg is the expert here.  He is a lawyer with many years of experience in genealogy.  Last summer, he gave a webinar on this topic and stated that he never heard of any breach of privacy regarding online DNA.  He is the one to answer your question.

In lieu of Randy, let me comment.  I am not expert in DNA privacy but deal with this issue all the time.  As a practical matter, most people have already decided and for whatever informed or uninformed or misinformed reasons they may have, you will not change their minds.  "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."  Nonetheless, here is how I discuss it with them.  All websites have security and policies to protect you.  They cannot and do not give your DNA to anyone else.  The law bans insurance companies from using your DNA data.  Although my knowledge is limited, I am unaware of the major websites of ever being hacked successfully.

The next point regards the technology.  The genealogy sites do not sequence the entire genome.  Each site looks for limited portions of the genome for what it thinks is important to determining ethnicity or cousins.  (The websites look at other regions regarding medical questions.)  The only person who can see the actual DNA sequences is you and you have to download the data.  When matches are made, neither person can see the actual sequence but rather only where the match is.  Such information is useless to someone who wants misuse your DNA.

The final issue is identity theft.  Perhaps someone could tell us how knowing a small portion of your genome could then steal your identity.  If they wanted to do so, criminals can buy plenty of your information on the dark web.  And how about lawful government agencies and corporations?  Look at what they already have on us.  I have filled out credit card applications and they found where I lived and the car I drove 40 years ago.  So, tell me about privacy.

As I said before, my mind is made up, do not confuse me with the facts.  I will be glad for someone to present evidence as to why I am wrong but until then, I will not worry about the misuse of my family tree DNA.

Bob Silverstein

Seeking individuals with a connection to Raseiniai, Lithuania

abbee corb

In connection with an investigation of a perpetrator of Holocaust crimes in
the area of Raseiniai, Lithuania, the Wiesenthal Centre is seeking contact
with individuals (survivors or family members) with a connection to
Raseiniai, Lithuania or seeking contact with individuals who may currently
have contact with residents of that town.
Please contact Dr. Abbee Corb +1(416) 876 3958 or via email at
abbeecorb@.... Or Dr. Efraim Zuroff at swcjerus@....

Dr. Abbee S. Corb, CAS, CMAS
Consultant, Researcher, Writer
Ont. Licensed Private Investigator
Email:   abbeecorb@...
Tel:   +1(416) 876-3958

Re: Looking for Chune Rosen from Zhitomir , Brooklyn and Massachusetts #usa

Diane Jacobs

Have you searched 
And using phonetic options
not exact??

Also, try the NYC databases on  for birth, marriage,
death, and naturalization indexes , 
passenger manifests, etc. Check out his site carefully as there is alot there.

Molly could have  used Malke which is very common.

One last database is the Brooklyn Eagle
newspaper on Old Fulton History where you can look for actual articles based on name and address for this family. Do a search and you will find the website. 

Sometimes being creative with names works out.

Good luck. 
Diane Jacobs

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: "Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir" <hhcarrey@...>
Date: 9/24/20 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [] Looking for Chune Rosen from Zhitomir , Brooklyn and Massachusetts #usa

In the 1920’s , my grandmother received a heartfelt request by her brother in-law Shloyme Karmazin to find his half-brother Mishchune “ Chune” Rosen ( or Roisen ) and he gave an address of Mr. Rosen 3 Ditmas Ave. in Brooklyn . From what I can make out , they had sent several letters to the above address and received no reply . His wife’s name looks like “ Malyeh “ or a Yiddish transcription of “Molly” . The writer uses a few English words in the Yiddish e.g. “leters” instead of the Yiddish “briv’. which is why I think Mem Aleph Lamed Yud Hey is an attempt to spell Molly in Yiddish.

The Karmazins survived the war with their children and grandchildren , having taken the last trains out of Zhitomir in 1941 a few days before the Germans arrived. Of the adult men who fought with Soviet army , one was killed and one survived . The ones who made it to Israel and Brooklyn in 1992 asked me to try to find this family . All they could tell me is that they were very helpful in sending money/food/whatever to the family in Russia during the famine/pogroms after the 1918 Revolution . They heard that the family had moved to Massachusetts but they had left the address when they fled to Uzbekistan .

I spent many hours in NARA in Varick St. in the early 2000’s , looking in vain through many Charles/Harry/Hyman Rosen naturalization records for one who came from Zhitomir .

I tried look up a Rosen in Brooklyn at Ditmas Ave in City Directories and couldn’t find anything that seemed to match .

Has anyone got any ideas of what else I could do to find this person ?


Henry Carrey - Zhitomir: Postalov/Herman/German/Roisen Lutsk : Kirzner/Brestyaner/Isenberg/

Henry H. Carrey
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester #unitedkingdom

Jill Whitehead

You can also obtain school records from Manchester City Council's Library and Archive Service where I obtained the attendance records for my family's Abrahams/Abrams children some years ago. Some of these records may be the ones now online at Findmypast. 

The Manchester Jewish Genealogical Society may be able to help you - see via the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain website.

Jill Whitehead,Surrey, UK

Abrahams/Abrams of Manchester and Suwalki (formerly Ceglarski)

New records available for Klimontow, Poland #poland

Yechezkel Anis

If you are a researcher with an interest in the town of Klimontow, Radom gubernia, Poland, you should be happy to know that we have recently extracted all the parish year records (1810-1825) for Jews of the town. Although parish records generally do not contain surnames but rather patronymics (---owicz, son of so-and-so), our gifted extractor has succeeded in associating 2/3 of these records with a proper surname from later years. 

These records now complete our extensive inventory of records for the years 1810-1912. If you are interested in contributing to our JRI-Poland extraction project in return for a spreadsheet detailing the records relevant to your surnames of interest, please reply to the following email:  chatz@...
and include your family's surnames. A surname count will be sent back to you with details on how to contribute.

Gmar chatimah tovah and a happy and healthy New Year

Yechezkel Anis
Klimontow Town Leader for JRI-Poland


Re: How to find New York marriage certificates #usa #general

Diane Jacobs

NYC Marriage Certificates are public record 
up to 1937 and copies can be ordered or 
gotten in person at the NYC Municipal 
Archives, 31 Chambers Street in lower

First, you should search on to find the correct names, date, county and certificate number.  Then you can the actual
certificates or have someone get them for you in person, if they are open now.

For marriages 1908 -1937, there are also
Marriage applications and licenses which
sometimes have additional info.

Some certificates are also on 

Good look with your research.

Diane Jacobs
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-------- Original message --------
From: Terry Ashton <suzibear2@...>
Date: 9/24/20 10:07 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [] How to find New York marriage certificates #usa #general

I would like to research some possible NY marriage certificates of family members, but am not sure where to find these certificates. Please advise as to the website/sources where they can be found.

Many thanks,


Ms Terry Ashton, Australia




Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Researcher in Belarus #belarus


based in Minsk which offers an economical in-depth genealogical service as well as heritage tours.  They have a genealogy staff fluent in many languages including, English, French, Yiddish and Hebrew.  They are also well connected with most of the current Jewish communities across Belarus.  They also work closely with the Jewish Agency Limud.  Another avenue to pursue is to deal directly with the Belarus National Historical Archive ( which also offers research services.  
When dealing with a private researcher (whether a firm, organisation or individual ) for a genealogical search in the Belarus archives you should bear in mind that you must authorise the researcher with an Apostille issued by the appropriate authority in your country.  Without the Apostille the researcher cannot legally conduct your research.  If you deal directly with the Archive an Apostille is not necessary. 
For the sake of clarity I have no association with either Jewish Tour or, obviously, the National Historical Archive of Belarus although I do know individuals who have availed themselves of services offered by both. I do not do genealogical research.

Good luck and please feel free to contact me whenever you think I may be of assistance.

Frank Swartz

Help with translation of birth record #translation


Need translation of birth record.

Re: Galicia on United States 1920 Census Data #galicia

Steven Turner

I would not place too much value on how Galicia was described in a census. It was not uniform by any means and is whatever the individual described it as. Don't forget either that Galicia ceased to exist at the end of WW I so in 1920 this was fairly fresh and people described where they were born in various ways.

Re: Ancestry DNAmatches question - dot near photo #dna #general

Adam Turner

The dot just means that you haven't ever clicked through to view that match before. If you got a notification from Ancestry that you had a "new" match - in this case, yourself - it makes sense that you'd see the dot next to that profile. If you aren't in the habit of regularly checking new matches, the next time you click to filter by new matches, most if not all of the matches shown should also have the dot.

Is it possible that one of you had one of your first cousins take the test and you, or they, accidentally submitted your own name instead of theirs when it came time to create an Ancestry account associated with that DNA sample? I suppose a bug in their database, or a bug with the system that sends out email notifications, is also possible. What happens when you try to message the profile of "yourself" that they told you was your first cousin? Do you get an email notifying you that you have a new message?

Adam Turner

Re: Mogilev or Mogilev? #belarus #ukraine


I'm sure that "your" Mogilev was Belorussian one. The reason of my confidence is that there were, at least, 7 Zhorovs amongst the Belorussian Mogilev electors to Gosudarstvennaya Duma (smth like Parliament) in 1906: Esel b. Ayzik, Zalman b. Itzka, Zalman b. Abram, Yankel, Zelik b. Abram, Yankel b. Girsh, Eliya b. Morduch, and no one Zhorov in the similar Lists of Podol Guberniya Mogilev.

Dmitry Shirochin

Re: Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester #unitedkingdom


As far as the Jewish School in Manchester is concerned has records in it's education category.
The record set is National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
You need to subscribe to see them but you can have a free two week trial if you haven't subscribed before.
I'm assuming you can access this website from Israel.
It may be this record set is available elsewhere.

Hope this helps.
Shoshanah Glickman
Gateshead, UK

Ancestry DNAmatches question - dot near photo #dna #general

Dahn Cukier

Inline image
Today, I received a notice from Ancestry that I am my own 1st
cousin. I logged in and did not find any new
1st or second cousins.
I did notice there is a dot to the lower left side of the
photo. The dot is NOT new people, people I have
sent messages to or received from, NOT people
I have or do not have admin rights to, 
Does anyone know what the dot signifies?
Chat with the robot is worthless, I do not need
to reset my browser, clear cache or clean
my screen.
Dahn Cukier
Cukier/Zucker/and many others, Brieff/Brif and probably others, Liss/Lisobitski/Lisbecki/Rosenberg/etc.

Lyris Lists #guidelines #general

Robert Fraser

Hi all - have all the former Lyris email lists now been retired?

Robert W Fraser, Perth, Western Australia
Researcher 6342

Re: Mogilev or Mogilev? #belarus #ukraine


also take into account that the migration of Jews to the Chernigov province came from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, including from the territories of the Mogilev province.
Iryna Tulchynska

How to find New York marriage certificates #usa #general

Terry Ashton

I would like to research some possible NY marriage certificates of family members, but am not sure where to find these certificates. Please advise as to the website/sources where they can be found.

Many thanks,


Ms Terry Ashton, Australia




Re: Looking for Chune Rosen #usa


Henry: from what you write, the person you are seeking sent packages to his cousin
during WWII. The Joint Distribution Committee has a searchable database that
includes the names of recipients of packages, money, etc. Search that database
for the name of the recipient, and the search result should include the name and
address of the sender.

Judy Baston
San Francisco

Struggling to find immigration data for great grandparents - ZUCKER and WEISEL #galicia #ukraine #germany

alan moskowitz

My great-grandfather Henry (given Hebrew name Zvi Hirsch) Zucker, from Chodorow, Galicia, Austria, and now known as  Khodorov, Ukraine, immigrated to New York probably via Ellis Island  from  Hamburg, Germany.  He was born April 10, 1875 according to a passport applications obtained in 1920 and 1922 to return to Europe.  In these documents he states he sailed from Austria around July 3 1891.  He married Jennie Weisel (Hebrew given name is Sheindel), on June 11, 1895 according to their New York City marriage certificate.  His parents remained in Europe, and I believe hers did as well.

I cannot find any records such as ship manifests using the Steve Morse and Ellis Island websites, nor from Family Search.  Any other suggestions?

Alan Moskowitz
New Jersey

Re: Seeking Advice for Hiring the Best Latvian Researcher #latvia


Bonjour Madame
Je suis Pierre Janel,   né Jankelowitsch   87 ans    ,  je retrouve dans  les archives de mon père né à Riga  et  émigré en France vers 1920,     une lettre de sa soeur transmise par  !a Croix Rouge,  le 9 juin 1941   Il s'agit de  FURMANIA  ou  FURMANIS   FRIDA   habitant Riga  Parka iela 4 d z 4
Pouvez m'indiquer si il existe des descendants qui seraient mes cousins,   
J'ai déjà plusieurs recherches  qui sont restées sans réponses
je vous remercie pour vos information,  et vous adresse mes sincères salutations.

Pierre Janel

Hebrew Translation of Gravestone - ROSENBERG, NATHAN (NISEL) #translation


My great-grandfather, Nisel Rozenberg (Nathan Rosenberg), came to the US in 1902 and is buried at Washington Cemetery NY. The inscription on his grave is very long and descriptive and I have not been able to get a translation. I know he died because of an accident - his death certificate says something about a head injury. I would appreciate it if someone could translate this for me. Thank you.

Deborah Miller, Annandale, VA

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