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This week's Yizkor book excerpt (about Yom Kippur) on the JewishGen Facebook page
#yizkorbooks
#ukraine
Bruce Drake
Yom Kippur begins Sunday evening. This excerpt from the Yizkor book of Podhajce, Ukraine about the observance of the holiest day of the year needs little introduction other than saying that its account will make you feel like you are right there in the shtetl from Kol Nidre to the day’s final prayers. When the services in the synagogue were done, "The day turned into twilight. The wax candles cast a gloomy light, and all the worshippers felt as if a new spirit entered into their beings, and new powers were granted to them." Bruce Drake Silver Spring MD
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Re: Hebrew Translation of Gravestone - ROSENBERG, NATHAN (NISEL)
#translation
fredelfruhman
Here lies
“For these do I weep; my eye, my eye, is dripping water” upon the passing
of my husband and our father, the dear and holy one, who was killed in the 65th
year of his life, and the crown of our heads was taken from us; his glorious name was
[an abbreviation*], NISAN, son of [the rabbi?*] Michael, may he rest in peace, Rosenberg.
He was called to Heaven, in the Garden of Eden, on the 29th day of the month of Kislev of the year 5679.
May his soul be bound up in the bond of life.
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The phrase on the first line comes from the Book of Lamentations.
* There are abbreviations in front of both his name and his father’s name that MIGHT indicate that one, or both, of them were rabbis. The first abbreviation is a slight variation of one that usually translates to “our teacher, the rabbi”. The problem with such abbreviations is that they can theoretically represent a number of interpretations. I would not conclude that either of them were rabbis, without verification from an additional source. (By the way, by “rabbi” I do not mean that they necessarily had a pulpit, only that they had completed rabbinical school and received ordination.)
The 29th of Kislev, 5679, began at sunset on December 2nd, 1918, and ended at sunset on the 3rd.
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In case you are not aware: jewishgen includes a wonderful “ViewMate” feature where you can post images, including gravestones, and receive translations and interpretations from multiple helpers. I recommend it. -- Fredel Fruhman Brooklyn, New York, USA
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Re: New records available for Klimontow, Poland
#poland
Are these records searchable on the JRI-Poland website?
Daniella Alyagon 11 Rav Ashi St, Tel Aviv 6939545, Israel
Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), JELEN (Minsk Mazowiecki, Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland), SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)
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Re: issues of DNA privacy
#dna
Bob Silverstein
Hi Judy,
Randy Schoenberg is the expert here. He is a lawyer with many years of experience in genealogy. Last summer, he gave a webinar on this topic and stated that he never heard of any breach of privacy regarding online DNA. He is the one to answer your question. In lieu of Randy, let me comment. I am not expert in DNA privacy but deal with this issue all the time. As a practical matter, most people have already decided and for whatever informed or uninformed or misinformed reasons they may have, you will not change their minds. "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up." Nonetheless, here is how I discuss it with them. All websites have security and policies to protect you. They cannot and do not give your DNA to anyone else. The law bans insurance companies from using your DNA data. Although my knowledge is limited, I am unaware of the major websites of ever being hacked successfully. The next point regards the technology. The genealogy sites do not sequence the entire genome. Each site looks for limited portions of the genome for what it thinks is important to determining ethnicity or cousins. (The websites look at other regions regarding medical questions.) The only person who can see the actual DNA sequences is you and you have to download the data. When matches are made, neither person can see the actual sequence but rather only where the match is. Such information is useless to someone who wants misuse your DNA. The final issue is identity theft. Perhaps someone could tell us how knowing a small portion of your genome could then steal your identity. If they wanted to do so, criminals can buy plenty of your information on the dark web. And how about lawful government agencies and corporations? Look at what they already have on us. I have filled out credit card applications and they found where I lived and the car I drove 40 years ago. So, tell me about privacy. As I said before, my mind is made up, do not confuse me with the facts. I will be glad for someone to present evidence as to why I am wrong but until then, I will not worry about the misuse of my family tree DNA. Bob Silverstein bobsilverstein@...
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Seeking individuals with a connection to Raseiniai, Lithuania
In connection with an investigation of a perpetrator of Holocaust crimes in the area of Raseiniai, Lithuania, the Wiesenthal Centre is seeking contact with individuals (survivors or family members) with a connection to Raseiniai, Lithuania or seeking contact with individuals who may currently have contact with residents of that town. Please contact Dr. Abbee Corb +1(416) 876 3958 or via email at abbeecorb@.... Or Dr. Efraim Zuroff at swcjerus@.... Dr. Abbee S. Corb, CAS, CMAS Consultant, Researcher, Writer Ont. Licensed Private Investigator Email: abbeecorb@... Tel: +1(416) 876-3958
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Re: Looking for Chune Rosen from Zhitomir , Brooklyn and Massachusetts
#usa
Diane Jacobs
Have you searched familysearch.org And ancestry.com using phonetic options not exact?? Also, try the NYC databases on stevemorse.org. for birth, marriage, death, and naturalization indexes , passenger manifests, etc. Check out his site carefully as there is alot there. Molly could have used Malke which is very common. One last database is the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper on Old Fulton History where you can look for actual articles based on name and address for this family. Do a search and you will find the website. Sometimes being creative with names works out. Good luck. Diane Jacobs Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir" <hhcarrey@...> Date: 9/24/20 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) To: main@... Subject: [JewishGen.org] Looking for Chune Rosen from Zhitomir , Brooklyn and Massachusetts #usa The Karmazins survived the war with their children and grandchildren , having taken the last trains out of Zhitomir in 1941 a few days before the Germans arrived. Of the adult men who fought with Soviet army , one was killed and one survived . The ones who made it to Israel and Brooklyn in 1992 asked me to try to find this family . All they could tell me is that they were very helpful in sending money/food/whatever to the family in Russia during the famine/pogroms after the 1918 Revolution . They heard that the family had moved to Massachusetts but they had left the address when they fled to Uzbekistan . I spent many hours in NARA in Varick St. in the early 2000’s , looking in vain through many Charles/Harry/Hyman Rosen naturalization records for one who came from Zhitomir . I tried look up a Rosen in Brooklyn at Ditmas Ave in City Directories and couldn’t find anything that seemed to match . Has anyone got any ideas of what else I could do to find this person ? Thanks Henry Carrey - Zhitomir: Postalov/Herman/German/Roisen Lutsk : Kirzner/Brestyaner/Isenberg/ . -- Henry H. Carrey -- Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
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Re: Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester
#unitedkingdom
Jill Whitehead
You can also obtain school records from Manchester City Council's Library and Archive Service where I obtained the attendance records for my family's Abrahams/Abrams children some years ago. www.manchester.gov.uk. Some of these records may be the ones now online at Findmypast.
The Manchester Jewish Genealogical Society may be able to help you - see via the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain website. Jill Whitehead,Surrey, UK Abrahams/Abrams of Manchester and Suwalki (formerly Ceglarski)
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New records available for Klimontow, Poland
#poland
Yechezkel Anis
If you are a researcher with an interest in the town of Klimontow, Radom gubernia, Poland, you should be happy to know that we have recently extracted all the parish year records (1810-1825) for Jews of the town. Although parish records generally do not contain surnames but rather patronymics (---owicz, son of so-and-so), our gifted extractor has succeeded in associating 2/3 of these records with a proper surname from later years. These records now complete our extensive inventory of records for the years 1810-1912. If you are interested in contributing to our JRI-Poland extraction project in return for a spreadsheet detailing the records relevant to your surnames of interest, please reply to the following email: chatz@... and include your family's surnames. A surname count will be sent back to you with details on how to contribute. Gmar chatimah tovah and a happy and healthy New Year Yechezkel Anis Klimontow Town Leader for JRI-Poland
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Diane Jacobs
NYC Marriage Certificates are public record up to 1937 and copies can be ordered or gotten in person at the NYC Municipal Archives, 31 Chambers Street in lower Manhattan. First, you should search on stevemorse.org to find the correct names, date, county and certificate number. Then you can the actual certificates or have someone get them for you in person, if they are open now. For marriages 1908 -1937, there are also Marriage applications and licenses which sometimes have additional info. Some certificates are also on ancestry.com and familysearch.org Good look with your research. Diane Jacobs Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Terry Ashton <suzibear2@...> Date: 9/24/20 10:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: main@... Subject: [JewishGen.org] How to find New York marriage certificates #usa #general I would like to research some possible NY marriage certificates of family members, but am not sure where to find these certificates. Please advise as to the website/sources where they can be found. Many thanks,
Ms Terry Ashton, Australia PRASHKER/SZUMOWSKI/WAJNGOT/WIERZBOWICZ/GOLDMAN/SEGAL-SEGALOVITCH/HOLTZ
-- Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
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Re: Researcher in Belarus
#belarus
fjs@...
based in Minsk which offers an economical in-depth genealogical service as well as heritage tours. They have a genealogy staff fluent in many languages including, English, French, Yiddish and Hebrew. They are also well connected with most of the current Jewish communities across Belarus. They also work closely with the Jewish Agency Limud. Another avenue to pursue is to deal directly with the Belarus National Historical Archive (http://niab.by/newsite/en/our-services) which also offers research services.
When dealing with a private researcher (whether a firm, organisation or individual ) for a genealogical search in the Belarus archives you should bear in mind that you must authorise the researcher with an Apostille issued by the appropriate authority in your country. Without the Apostille the researcher cannot legally conduct your research. If you deal directly with the Archive an Apostille is not necessary.
For the sake of clarity I have no association with either Jewish Tour or, obviously, the National Historical Archive of Belarus although I do know individuals who have availed themselves of services offered by both. I do not do genealogical research. Good luck and please feel free to contact me whenever you think I may be of assistance. Frank Swartz
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Help with translation of birth record
#translation
Need translation of birth record.
NTalbot
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Re: Galicia on United States 1920 Census Data
#galicia
Steven Turner
I would not place too much value on how Galicia was described in a census. It was not uniform by any means and is whatever the individual described it as. Don't forget either that Galicia ceased to exist at the end of WW I so in 1920 this was fairly fresh and people described where they were born in various ways.
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Adam Turner
The dot just means that you haven't ever clicked through to view that match before. If you got a notification from Ancestry that you had a "new" match - in this case, yourself - it makes sense that you'd see the dot next to that profile. If you aren't in the habit of regularly checking new matches, the next time you click to filter by new matches, most if not all of the matches shown should also have the dot.
Is it possible that one of you had one of your first cousins take the test and you, or they, accidentally submitted your own name instead of theirs when it came time to create an Ancestry account associated with that DNA sample? I suppose a bug in their database, or a bug with the system that sends out email notifications, is also possible. What happens when you try to message the profile of "yourself" that they told you was your first cousin? Do you get an email notifying you that you have a new message? Adam Turner
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dmitry_shirochin@...
I'm sure that "your" Mogilev was Belorussian one. The reason of my confidence is that there were, at least, 7 Zhorovs amongst the Belorussian Mogilev electors to Gosudarstvennaya Duma (smth like Parliament) in 1906: Esel b. Ayzik, Zalman b. Itzka, Zalman b. Abram, Yankel, Zelik b. Abram, Yankel b. Girsh, Eliya b. Morduch, and no one Zhorov in the similar Lists of Podol Guberniya Mogilev.
Dmitry Shirochin
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Re: Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester
#unitedkingdom
srg100@...
As far as the Jewish School in Manchester is concerned https://www.findmypast.co.uk has records in it's education category.
The record set is National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914 You need to subscribe to see them but you can have a free two week trial if you haven't subscribed before. I'm assuming you can access this website from Israel. It may be this record set is available elsewhere. Hope this helps. Shoshanah Glickman Gateshead, UK
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Dahn Cukier
Today, I received a notice from Ancestry that I am my own 1st
cousin. I logged in and did not find any new
1st or second cousins.
I did notice there is a dot to the lower left side of the
photo. The dot is NOT new people, people I have
sent messages to or received from, NOT people
I have or do not have admin rights to,
Does anyone know what the dot signifies?
Chat with the robot is worthless, I do not need
to reset my browser, clear cache or clean
my screen.
Dahn Cukier
Cukier/Zucker/and many others, Brieff/Brif and probably others, Liss/Lisobitski/Lisbecki/Rosenberg/etc.
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Lyris Lists
#guidelines
#general
Robert Fraser
Hi all - have all the former Lyris email lists now been retired?
Robert W Fraser, Perth, Western Australia Researcher 6342 girof@...
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also take into account that the migration of Jews to the Chernigov province came from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, including from the territories of the Mogilev province.
Iryna Tulchynska
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Terry Ashton
I would like to research some possible NY marriage certificates of family members, but am not sure where to find these certificates. Please advise as to the website/sources where they can be found. Many thanks,
Ms Terry Ashton, Australia PRASHKER/SZUMOWSKI/WAJNGOT/WIERZBOWICZ/GOLDMAN/SEGAL-SEGALOVITCH/HOLTZ
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Re: Looking for Chune Rosen
#usa
Jrbaston
Henry: from what you write, the person you are seeking sent packages to his cousin
during WWII. The Joint Distribution Committee has a searchable database that includes the names of recipients of packages, money, etc. Search that database for the name of the recipient, and the search result should include the name and address of the sender. Judy Baston San Francisco
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