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Re: Researcher in Belarus
#belarus
fjs@...
Several Jewishgenners have contacted me to say that the first line of my message was missing. I must have been distracted by circumstances here. Anyway, here it is, in it's entirety, again.:
You may wish to contact Jewish Tour (jewish-tour.com) a reliable, established firm based in Minsk which offers an economical in-depth genealogical service as well as heritage tours. They have a genealogy staff fluent in many languages including, English, French, Yiddish and Hebrew. They are also well connected with most of the current Jewish communities across Belarus. They also work closely with the Jewish Agency Limud. Another avenue to pursue is to deal directly with the Belarus National Historical Archive (http://niab.by/newsite/en/our-services) which also offers research services.
When dealing with a private researcher (whether a firm, organisation or individual ) for a genealogical search in the Belarus archives you should bear in mind that you must authorise the researcher with an Apostille issued by the appropriate authority in your country. Without the Apostille the researcher cannot legally conduct your research. If you deal directly with the Archive an Apostille is not necessary.
For the sake of clarity I have no association with either Jewish Tour or, obviously, the National Historical Archive of Belarus although I do know individuals who have availed themselves of services offered by both. I do not do genealogical research.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions which you feel I might be able to help with. Gemar chatimah tovah! Frank Swartz
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Re: Seeking Advice for Hiring the Best Latvian Researcher
#latvia
Ava Nackman
Thanks so much, Arlene. This is very helpful. Maybe I can ask you a more particular question. When I last had the Latvian Archives research for me, I was displeased with the way they did their citations. Instead of footnoting each piece of information, they put all of the source information at the end of the report, and not in the order of information given in the body of the report. For example, they would cite one book, then just give a list of pages where various information was found in that book. Therefore, I had no reasonable way of knowing where, specifically, they were finding each piece of data. Is it unreasonable to ask them to not do it that way? I want to maintain good relations, but this method of citing seemed inappropriate.
Ava Nackman
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Looking for family of Klein, Maizi emigrated to Israel from USSR Mukachevo
#israel
Stuart Kaufer
Looking for family of Klein, Maizi emigrated to Israel from USSR Mukachevo. They are relatives of my cousin Perl Klein Katz. Thank you. Stuart Kaufer
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Re: Hebrew Translation of Gravestone - ROSENBERG, NATHAN (NISEL)
#translation
fredelfruhman
I did not look at the English part of the stone earlier, so I now want to point out that there is a discrepancy of 2-3 days between the Hebrew and the secular dates.
If the 5th of December is correct, then the equivalent Hebrew dates are the 2nd of Tevet (if he died before sunset) and the 3rd of Tevet (if he died after sunset). -- Fredel Fruhman Brooklyn, New York, USA
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Re: issues of DNA privacy
#dna
Robert Hanna
Suggest to them that they can do it anonymously. Instead of using their name, they can make up a name or use initials and you could be the manager of their DNA. Nobody could possibly know who they are.
Robert Hanna NYC Researching Chanan, Hanan, Hanna, Hanne, Heine, Hiney (Warsaw); Blumenblat (Poland); Karasik, Thomashow, Cohen (Babruysk); Rubinstein, Bunderoff, Pastilnik, Nemoyten, Diskin (Minsk).
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Hello Alan,
The passport application also says Henry Zucker was naturalized in the US District Court in Brooklyn (Eastern District) on July 24, 1902. I found that record at Ancestry here, in which he said he had been resident in the US since July 1890. NOTE WELL there is language in the naturalization document suggesting this was a "minor naturalization." That language says he arrived in the US and was resident here for three years prior to his reaching age 21. For that reason I would not expect to find any separate declaration of intention. ALSO, the back of the naturalization document holds an important clue. It appears Henri/Henry applied for a replacement naturalization certificate in early 1943. Even though he naturalized before 1906, so INS never had a C-file for Henry before, his 1942/1943 application for a replacement would have created a special kind of C-file known as an "Old Law Replacement" certificate. The prefix for those C-files is "OL." The information on the back of the court document on Ancestry shows Henry "applied for a new certificate" and presumably the original court naturalization record was checked/verified by INS on January 16, 1943, probably by an INS examiner (Shatzman). The file number given, "2B52123" is the INS application file used temporarily and NOT the file number needed to request records.  The records (his application and supporting documents and correspondence) will be in his OL C-file. The OL C-number is not found in this notation. It would be found on the original replacement certificate issued in 1943 (assuming it was issued), and in the INS, now USCIS, index. Sadly the only way to get to that file, if you want it, is to request it from the USCIS Genealogy Program. This is a great example of how there can be rich records created decades later than one would expect! Marian Smith
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FamilySearch.org and GermanGenealogy.org (or ItalianGen but I don't like their search) are among the most useful sites, although Ancestry is catching up. None are complete, and be aware of transcription errors where names are not indexed exactly right. Records are public up until 1949. You can order copies online from the Department of Records (aka DORIS) if you have enough information. See https://www1.nyc.gov/site/records/historical-records/genealogy.page for more complete information including where to search. -- Jeff Goldner Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)
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Re: Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester
#unitedkingdom
VINCENT JEFFERY
There is a book called They Came from the Haim: History of Manchester Jewry from 1867. This is written by one of my relatives and will cover lots of the topics you are looking for. The Jews school was in Derby Street, Cheetham Hill and my late grandmother and her siblings were pupils. There are lots of links providing information regarding the school. Hope you find this useful. regards Suzanne Vincent Jeffery
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Re: Researcher in Belarus
#belarus
jdsherod@...
I have worked with Yuri Dorn at JHRG (jhrg@...)multiple times. They have found records for multiple sides of my family from all over the Belarus area. Costs are extremely reasonable, however I would caution you about the turn around time for research can run into several months. I believe this is understandable given the nature of the bureaucracy they have to deal with in obtaining records from the archives. Jonathan Sher
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Schelly Talalay Dardashti
When I began researching my TALALAI in Mogilev some 35 years ago - it took me 2 years to confirm it was Belarus. Everyone I asked tried to convince me it was the Podulsk one, but it did not seem correct. Then I remembered my GGM and GM talking about the Dnieper River which runs right through Mogilev, Belarus. The Dnieper is nowhere near MP. Research proved our Belarus (White Russia) connection with some 800 records in the city and nearby Vorotinshtina-Zavarezhye. We also had a Chernigov connection. A kidnapped Talalai boy into the army who was released in Chernigov and sent home for an ASBEL wife from Mogilev! The proof is in the smallest of details!
Schelly Talalay Dardashti New Mexico TALALAI: Mogilev BEL and envvirons, St Petersburg, Moscow, Novosibirsky, Kazakhstan, Israel, Canada, UK, USA, etc.
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you need to be more specific about towns -while there is a significant amount of data from the Volyn province there is very little from this district available - one exception is there are over 1000 records online from a 1851 revision list for the town of Rovno. I can give you a better answer if you can name a few towns
Gary Pokrassa gpokrassa@...
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division
JewishGen.org
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Re: Seeking Advice for Hiring the Best Latvian Researcher
#latvia
Good day Janel
I will reply in English and then below I will write in French. I looked in the names Project for Latvia which enables you to search for someone who lived in Latvia prewar. All you need is the name and place they lived in. Most people perished in 1941. names.lu.lv Frida Furman maiden name Jankelowitsch was living in Riga as you said. Her husband's name was Mowscha and her date of birth 11 April 1898..Her father was Schaya Abram. Her fate is not known. I looked in the Yad Vashem Archive and there is no victim listed as Frida Fuhrman. In the Jewishgen Holocaust Database there are Frieda Furmans but I do not think they are your Frida. I looked in the Jewishgen Family Finder and there are recent messages looking for a Frieda Fuhrman. I suggest you contact these people. You go to the Jewishgen.org page and then search the Family Finder. Jewishgen will transmit your message to the person . You can also search Family Trees on Myheritage Ancestry and Geni. I do hope you have success and wish you luck Arlene Beare UK Co-director Jewishgen Research Division. Bonjour Pierre J'ai fait le recherche sur le site names.lu.lv Si vous cherchez le nom et le endroit Riga vous trouvez Frida Furhman nee Jankelowitsch. Il ne sait pas si Frida et mort. Son mari etait Mowsha. Le date de naissaince 11/4 1898. Son pere etait Schaya Abram. Sur le site Yad Vashem Holocaust - elle n'est pas une victime. Peut-etre elle survecut aux camps de concentration. Le site Jewishgen.org -Holocaust bas de donnee Il y a Frieda Fuhrman mais je ne pense pas cette Frieda est votre tante. Je vous recommende jewishgen.org Family finder. J'ai trouve quelque personne qui cherche Frida Furhman de Riga. Si vous inscrivez une message Jewishgen envoye votre message a le personne. Family Finder est votre meilleur chance de trouver vos familles. Vous pouvez aussi chercher des arbres genealogiques sur myheritage,ancestry et Geni. Pardonnez mon francais mais je suis anglaise. J'espere que vous avez de bonne chance avec votre recherche. Arlene Beare UK Co-director Jewishgen Research Division.
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Re: Oct. 7: Zoom program on donating your family papers
#events
#announcements
Avigdor Ben-Dov <avigdorbd@...>
I live in Israel. I would like to join the Zoom program but it is in the middle of a holyday week. Not all family history papers are suitable for donation and who would be interested in hand written notes anyway? It took me years to get documents and I have dozens of file folders filled with family history and misc. trees and fotos.What does Leo Baek do with them?
Avigdor Ben-Dov
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This week's Yizkor book excerpt (about Yom Kippur) on the JewishGen Facebook page
#yizkorbooks
#ukraine
Bruce Drake
Yom Kippur begins Sunday evening. This excerpt from the Yizkor book of Podhajce, Ukraine about the observance of the holiest day of the year needs little introduction other than saying that its account will make you feel like you are right there in the shtetl from Kol Nidre to the day’s final prayers. When the services in the synagogue were done, "The day turned into twilight. The wax candles cast a gloomy light, and all the worshippers felt as if a new spirit entered into their beings, and new powers were granted to them." Bruce Drake Silver Spring MD
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Re: Hebrew Translation of Gravestone - ROSENBERG, NATHAN (NISEL)
#translation
fredelfruhman
Here lies
“For these do I weep; my eye, my eye, is dripping water” upon the passing
of my husband and our father, the dear and holy one, who was killed in the 65th
year of his life, and the crown of our heads was taken from us; his glorious name was
[an abbreviation*], NISAN, son of [the rabbi?*] Michael, may he rest in peace, Rosenberg.
He was called to Heaven, in the Garden of Eden, on the 29th day of the month of Kislev of the year 5679.
May his soul be bound up in the bond of life.
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The phrase on the first line comes from the Book of Lamentations.
* There are abbreviations in front of both his name and his father’s name that MIGHT indicate that one, or both, of them were rabbis. The first abbreviation is a slight variation of one that usually translates to “our teacher, the rabbi”. The problem with such abbreviations is that they can theoretically represent a number of interpretations. I would not conclude that either of them were rabbis, without verification from an additional source. (By the way, by “rabbi” I do not mean that they necessarily had a pulpit, only that they had completed rabbinical school and received ordination.)
The 29th of Kislev, 5679, began at sunset on December 2nd, 1918, and ended at sunset on the 3rd.
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In case you are not aware: jewishgen includes a wonderful “ViewMate” feature where you can post images, including gravestones, and receive translations and interpretations from multiple helpers. I recommend it. -- Fredel Fruhman Brooklyn, New York, USA
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Re: New records available for Klimontow, Poland
#poland
Are these records searchable on the JRI-Poland website?
Daniella Alyagon 11 Rav Ashi St, Tel Aviv 6939545, Israel
Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), JELEN (Minsk Mazowiecki, Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland), SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)
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Re: issues of DNA privacy
#dna
Bob Silverstein
Hi Judy,
Randy Schoenberg is the expert here. He is a lawyer with many years of experience in genealogy. Last summer, he gave a webinar on this topic and stated that he never heard of any breach of privacy regarding online DNA. He is the one to answer your question. In lieu of Randy, let me comment. I am not expert in DNA privacy but deal with this issue all the time. As a practical matter, most people have already decided and for whatever informed or uninformed or misinformed reasons they may have, you will not change their minds. "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up." Nonetheless, here is how I discuss it with them. All websites have security and policies to protect you. They cannot and do not give your DNA to anyone else. The law bans insurance companies from using your DNA data. Although my knowledge is limited, I am unaware of the major websites of ever being hacked successfully. The next point regards the technology. The genealogy sites do not sequence the entire genome. Each site looks for limited portions of the genome for what it thinks is important to determining ethnicity or cousins. (The websites look at other regions regarding medical questions.) The only person who can see the actual DNA sequences is you and you have to download the data. When matches are made, neither person can see the actual sequence but rather only where the match is. Such information is useless to someone who wants misuse your DNA. The final issue is identity theft. Perhaps someone could tell us how knowing a small portion of your genome could then steal your identity. If they wanted to do so, criminals can buy plenty of your information on the dark web. And how about lawful government agencies and corporations? Look at what they already have on us. I have filled out credit card applications and they found where I lived and the car I drove 40 years ago. So, tell me about privacy. As I said before, my mind is made up, do not confuse me with the facts. I will be glad for someone to present evidence as to why I am wrong but until then, I will not worry about the misuse of my family tree DNA. Bob Silverstein bobsilverstein@...
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Seeking individuals with a connection to Raseiniai, Lithuania
In connection with an investigation of a perpetrator of Holocaust crimes in the area of Raseiniai, Lithuania, the Wiesenthal Centre is seeking contact with individuals (survivors or family members) with a connection to Raseiniai, Lithuania or seeking contact with individuals who may currently have contact with residents of that town. Please contact Dr. Abbee Corb +1(416) 876 3958 or via email at abbeecorb@.... Or Dr. Efraim Zuroff at swcjerus@.... Dr. Abbee S. Corb, CAS, CMAS Consultant, Researcher, Writer Ont. Licensed Private Investigator Email: abbeecorb@... Tel: +1(416) 876-3958
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Re: Looking for Chune Rosen from Zhitomir , Brooklyn and Massachusetts
#usa
Diane Jacobs
Have you searched familysearch.org And ancestry.com using phonetic options not exact?? Also, try the NYC databases on stevemorse.org. for birth, marriage, death, and naturalization indexes , passenger manifests, etc. Check out his site carefully as there is alot there. Molly could have used Malke which is very common. One last database is the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper on Old Fulton History where you can look for actual articles based on name and address for this family. Do a search and you will find the website. Sometimes being creative with names works out. Good luck. Diane Jacobs Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir" <hhcarrey@...> Date: 9/24/20 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) To: main@... Subject: [JewishGen.org] Looking for Chune Rosen from Zhitomir , Brooklyn and Massachusetts #usa The Karmazins survived the war with their children and grandchildren , having taken the last trains out of Zhitomir in 1941 a few days before the Germans arrived. Of the adult men who fought with Soviet army , one was killed and one survived . The ones who made it to Israel and Brooklyn in 1992 asked me to try to find this family . All they could tell me is that they were very helpful in sending money/food/whatever to the family in Russia during the famine/pogroms after the 1918 Revolution . They heard that the family had moved to Massachusetts but they had left the address when they fled to Uzbekistan . I spent many hours in NARA in Varick St. in the early 2000’s , looking in vain through many Charles/Harry/Hyman Rosen naturalization records for one who came from Zhitomir . I tried look up a Rosen in Brooklyn at Ditmas Ave in City Directories and couldn’t find anything that seemed to match . Has anyone got any ideas of what else I could do to find this person ? Thanks Henry Carrey - Zhitomir: Postalov/Herman/German/Roisen Lutsk : Kirzner/Brestyaner/Isenberg/ . -- Henry H. Carrey -- Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
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Re: Jewish Schools in 1880’s in Manchester
#unitedkingdom
Jill Whitehead
You can also obtain school records from Manchester City Council's Library and Archive Service where I obtained the attendance records for my family's Abrahams/Abrams children some years ago. www.manchester.gov.uk. Some of these records may be the ones now online at Findmypast.
The Manchester Jewish Genealogical Society may be able to help you - see via the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain website. Jill Whitehead,Surrey, UK Abrahams/Abrams of Manchester and Suwalki (formerly Ceglarski)
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