Re: Hebrew Translation of Gravestone - ROSENBERG, NATHAN (NISEL) #translation



I pulled my great grandfather's death certificate and found out that the date of death reflected on the tombstone is incorrect. According to the death certificate, he died December 3
1918 at 10:05 am. The death certificate also indicates that he died of a fractured skull, intracranial hemorrhage, and traumatic shock noting "accidental." He died at St. Marks Hospital.

I am still clueless where I would find any articles./obituaries where I could find out more detail. Yiddush Newspaper? local newspaper? Any suggestions.

Thank you. Have an easy fast.  Deborah Miller

Re: issues of DNA privacy #dna

JoAnne Goldberg

I didn't notice if anyone has mentioned the Golden State Killer, whose
identity was inferred via DNA from distant cousins. The fact is that
it's too late for privacy in that regard. The DNA is out there, and
governments have DNA databases, though your DTC testing company
information is relatively safe -- until the vendor is hacked! Most of us
have been fingerprinted more than once; few of us are concerned about that.

So my first argument to anyone reluctant to test is "the FBI/CIA/NSA may
already know what your DNA says -- don't you want to know what they know?"

For relatives who are privacy obsessed, and I totally get that, I have
ordered kits in my name, entered them into the vendor's system,
repackaged and sent to the relative who can take the test and drop it,
postage-paid,  in the mailbox. The kit has a pseudonym so the relative's
identity is protected. Could a DNA sleuth figure out the likely identity
of the kit? Sure, but who's going to bother? Personally, I have no
illusions about privacy, and think it's funny when banks etc ask for
info like date of birth, hometown,  or mother's birth surname as "proof"
of identity when all that information is readily accessible online.

JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Re: History can help understand DNA ethnicity profiles: an example #dna

Adam Cherson

This is a situation that could be unraveled using genography. When in doubt: go deep!

Adam Cherson,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,%23dna,20,2,0,76689650,ct=1&ct=1

issues of DNA privacy #dna


People should keep in mind that laws, guarantees, attitudes, procedures, techniques, etc. can all change with time.  What is done now, or what can be done now, is no guide to what may be done in the future.  Even if you discount data theft, there are ways that profiles can come into the open.  Can a DNA-testing company sell its collection of data to an entity with different ideas about privacy?  What if the company is bought by someone interested in accessing its DNA files?  Can data, or even the company, be seized under a court order? 
Once you have had your DNA profiled, that cannot be undone.  What will happen to that data, and to what uses it might be put, cease to be under your control.  
Yale Zussman

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Gary Pokrassa

Berestechko, Demidovka are in Dubna county Volyn province
A Revision list gets translated by Google as a "Fairy Tale"
Alex K has posted 1850 and 1858 revision lists for these towns - I have posted the links and you are in luck in that he has also posted the town detail within each list.  The numbers next to the town names represent the pdf page numbers where each town's data begins - so while these are in Cyrillic and as yet not translated - this will make it much easier to search for your family names.  

You can use the Steve Morse websites to show your family names in Cyrillic cursive and then compare.

English to Russian: Transliterating Names from English to Russian in One Step
Russian Print to Cursive: Converting from Russian Print to Cursive in One Step

Dubna County 
ed. ed. code ]

1 Dubno; 362 Olika; 542 Varkovichi; 589 Mizoch; 622 Kozin; 653 Willow; 673 Krupets; 682 Mykhailivka; 704 Berestechko; 822 Merchant; 854 Ostrozhets; 882 Ant; 916 Mill; 929 Lyubochivka; 936 Demydivka [1]
914 Lobachivka; 944 Берестечко; 1106 Demydivka; 1170-Mykhailivka (Buremel); 1242 Ant; 1358 Merchant; 1458 Willow; 1510 Kozin; 1610 Krupets; 1639 Olika; 2074 Mizoch; 2154 Varkovichi; 2274 Mills; 2236 Ostrozhets
Also additional revision list  118-14-79. Berestechko starting p250. Radzilov starting p 39, 121, 160, 181, 244, 3361862-1865 link:
Additional auditory tales of the Jews of Volyn province. 1862–1865  // RAIN. F. 118. Op. 14. Ref. 79.
For Radzivilov that is in the Kremenets district in Volyn 
Alex has posted revision lists from 1858 but unfortunately without details of towns.  Here are the links:

Kremenets district ed. ed. code ]

you will also find records from Demidkova and Radzivlov in JRI-Poland database

hope this helps

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Re: Searching: photo records of synagogue in Fellheim, Bavaria, Germany #germany #photographs


the in formation that you are looking for is available at

Marcelo Rosenbaum
researching KAHN (Altenstadt/Illereichen) / ROSENBAUM (Wonfurt/Nuernberg) / VANDEWART (Lendershausen) / WILHERMSDOERFER (Ansbach/Gunzenhausen)

Re: Bukofzer / Oppenheimer in France FRENCH records #france

David Choukroun

Dear David, (nice first name :)

You will have part of the answer most probably into the Fond de Moscou file where there is a reference about Fritz 
The right reference to ask to the French Archive Nationale is 19940435/16 (this was into the 1st supplementary list -- see below)
You might want also to check all the other files with the same name (quite unusual). I have seen about 10 other files -- possibly the same family

The other source I have in mind is the Archives of the Prefecture de Paris :
Unfortunately, the Covid is preventing to search (on-site only) for this 2nd one  - We need to wait a possible re-opening in the next months to come

I guess you tried already the decennale table of Paris (for the marriage)

All the best 




Re: Printing records I find on JRI-Poland #records #poland #translation

Bruce Drake

I usually do a screengrab of the page and then use the sharpening tool in a photo editor

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

US Visa applications circa 1948? Do copies exist? #records #usa

A. E. Jordan

Has anyone had any success in getting a copy of a visa application for someone coming to the USA in 1948 for a visit? What information is contained and was the effort warranted to get it or did it not help?

I spotted someone arriving in 1948 in New York on a passenger list coming from Cairo, Egypt who might be the wife of  relative.  The passenger list shows a visa number.

So the first question would be did copies of the applications end up in the USA, so is there a file for me to even look for on this person?

She arrives in the spring of 1948 and I see her flying outbound in the fall so I know the time frame she was in the USA too. The passenger list tells me the name and address of her son saying that's where she is coming from and  the name and address of the person she is going to be staying with the USA. The family name is the same but it does not tell me how the person coming for the visit is related to the person she is visiting.

Second question if I go for the file what more could I hope to learn if anything?

Third if someone has recent direct experience ... what is the process and did you feel it was worth it in the end?

Thank you. Easy Fast to all who observe.

Allan Jordan

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia


Are there records in Alex Krakovsky's revision list from Berestechko, Demidovka or Radzivilov?

Joel Ackerman (Jerusalem)

Need suggestions for how to search for misspelled family names #records

N. Summers

I've had trouble finding records because names are mispelled or othewise mangled. What kinds of searches have you used to overcome this problem? I'm guessing every site has different tools...
thanks so much,

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA


FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Vileyka, Minsk, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)

trying to make contact with Dan Avi Aaron Gordon formerly of Montreal #israel

Neil Rosenstein

Dan is son of Shoshana Raizi of Montreal and he made aliya some years
ago. Married to Osnat. He descends from the Stern-Horowitz rabbinical
family and lives in Jerusalem.

Neil Rosenstein

Re: Printing records I find on JRI-Poland #records #poland #translation

N. Summers

Another option is to use an online service which improves image quality. RetroReveal is relatively easy to use and is free. I've used it and i'm certainly no computerphile.  The site is:
Also, MyHeritage has a service to improve images. It is free for up to 5 images, even if you're not a Premium member.

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA


FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)

Re: Decipher handwritten text re citizenship status #records

Diane Jacobs

You never know when a person decides to naturalize. My grandfather arrived in 1888
as a 3 year old with his family. In the 1920 US Census it says born New York.  In 1929 he became a citizen.

Diane Jacobs

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Subject: [] Decipher handwritten text re citizenship status #records

I'm trying to decipther the handwritten entry for "Citizenship" on a 1925 NY census. In the column "If Naturalized, when and where" there are entries for my ggf Morris, ggm Clara and gu Sam. The first entry, for Morris, presumably means "naturalized in 1916 in New York".  The second entry, his wife Clara, I think says "Hus. Pap." which probably means she gained citizenship under her husband's naturalization papers. (on this census page, most of the wives have this notation)

But the third line, for their son Sam, is a mystery.  It doesn't look like "first papers"; and since he arrived in 1906 it is unlikely that he would have waited so long to file a Declaration. Can anyone figure out what this entry says?

Finally, if Clara became a citizen under her Husbands papers, how would she be able to prove her citizenship if needed later?

thanks so much,


Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA


FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: issues of DNA privacy #dna

Judy Petersen

Thank you all for your responses.  They are much appreciated!  They will definitely help me frame a response to my reluctant cousins!

Referencing Randy's talk--I saw his presentation on privacy and genealogy at the last conference in Israel, so I don't know if he's updated it or not.  But my takeaway at the time was that "dead people don't have an expectation of privacy".  At the time, much of the discussion in the Q & A had to do with exposing family secrets and based on "dead people don't have an expectation of privacy" you could, but whether you should or not is another issue.  :-)  I don't recall anything specific about DNA, but at the time I wasn't as interested in the topic, so I might have missed it.

I think some of the issue for my family members was also about being denied health coverage if insurance companies got your DNA.  But I would assume that a) you would have to test with a company that provides health testing in the first place, b) that insurance companies couldn't do anything with raw data anyway and c) there's a law prohibiting insurance companies charging higher premiums based on DNA results, so it shouldn't matter.

The other issue was providing DNA to law enforcement.  But I also assume the hows and whys of that would be covered by an testing company's privacy policy, in which case it would behoove the purchaser of a kit to read the policy.

But generally, I agree with Bob.  Our privacy is so compromised already and there are so many other easier ways to gather information that could lead to identity theft, that DNA testing should not be a major worry for people in that regard.

Many thanks!

Judy Petersen

Re: issues of DNA privacy #dna

Jeffrey Herrmann

In the UK, where I live, the 100,000 Genomes project has sequenced the full genomes of 100,000 members of the population.  Researchers are given access to those full sequences, which have been anonymized, for legitimate scientific or medical purposes.  The EU is planning to complete the sequencing of a million genomes by 2022.  An unscrupulous researcher, or anyone who hacked the data downloaded by a scrupulous researcher, could use Erlich‘s methods from 2013 (I incorrectly dated it to 2011 in my original  post) and any newer methods dreamed up in the last seven years to “de-anonymize” those sequenced individuals, using data from genetic genealogy websites.  I am not opining that this is likely to occur, but in my opinion it cannot be ruled out.

Jeffrey Herrmann

Re: Poland/Russia town help #poland



Ferok Chaymann
Arrival Date3 May 1904
Birth Date1882
Ethnicity/ NationalityHebrew
Port of DepartureAntwerp, Belgium
Port of ArrivalNew York, New York, USA
Ship NameVaderland

Actually, I wonder if this is not him. The date is more consistent as is the surname  

As to the wife, she would have been traveling with her infant daughter Bessie born 1904

I will keep looking 
Vivs Laliberte


Vivs Laliberte

Re: Volochysk/Podvolochisk #records

Mark Halpern

For Podwoloczyska/Podvolochisk, formerly in Galicia

Search both the JRI-Poland and Gesher Galicia databases for your Podwoloczyska surnames.

Mark Halpern

Re: Yiddush to English from Holocaust Survivors #yiddish #galicia #holocaust #photographs


Left side card (2 messages):

For memory to our dear uncle and family
Our picture 
Chava Yaakov Rachel'le

This is Shlomo Strenger Chava's son


Right side card:

For memory to our uncle Benny our daughter 3 months old in the hand of her father

Yitschok Margareten 

Re: Hebrew Translation of Gravestone - ROSENBERG, NATHAN (NISEL) #translation


Note the title "holy" which is used either for an actual holy person like a holy Rabbi etc., or for a martyr who was killed for being a Jew.

As it clearly states that he was killed, I assume the latter is the reason for the title.

However, in the case of a martyr, the name is usually followed by "may God revenge his blood", which does not appear on this tombstone. 

Yitschok Margareten 

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