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Seeking more information about Chernigov, Ukraine
#ukraine
My grandmother Sara J’affectionne Hackerman was born in Chernigov Russian/Ukrainian looking for more information on that community. She was born in 1899 I believe and immigrated to Baltimore, Maryland around 1906. I believe they had a brewery and tobacco farm in Russia.
Lynn Weidner
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Request for Translation from Polish
#translation
John Lowin
I have posted four vital records to Viemate and requesting translation from Polish. The documents are 86803, 86802, 86801, 86786, 86785. Thank you for your help.
Researching Lowin in Galicia. Best Regards, John Lowin
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Re: Alternate names for Mollie Schiff
#names
Michele Lock
For Mollie, the most likely Yiddish/Hebrew name would be Malke/Malkah. Others might be Michle or Mamle. And then each of these might have various YIddish nicknames.
Have you tried just searching M* Schiff? More likely than not, your relative chose an English name that began with the same letter as her Yiddish/Hebrew name. I have a great great grandmother Michle, who in the US went by Mollie, Minnie, Mamie, and Minnie in various census records. Michele Lock Alexandria, VA
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(US-NYC) Records Access in Jeopardy NYC DORIS Regulations- ACTION REQUIRED
#announcements
Jan Meisels Allen
PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION AND THE ATTACHED ONE-PAGER WITH YOUR READERS, BLOG POSTS, SOCIETY MEMBERS. ETC.
New York City is the one jurisdiction where everyone knows someone on their family tree has been-so for this issue we are all New Yorkers! The IAJGS Records Access Alert notified everyone on September 29 about the proposed regulations the NYC Department of Records and Information Services (DORIS) AKA the Municipal Archives, when they published the proposed regulations and scheduled a hearing on October 23, 2020, at 11:00 AM ET.
The Municipal Archives says it in their own words: “the Municipal Archives comprises the largest local government archive in North America…the Archives hold the records depicting the daily work of city government, including paper records…still and moving images, ledgers and docket books, vital records, cartographic materials, blueprints, and sound recordings.”
These are some of the egregious actions they are taking. We all know we have to pay something for the records, and that is not the issue. The issue is access and their proposal to license public records that are already paid by public funds! Let’s talk about licensing and access. If you purchase ANYTHING from the Municipal Archives/DORIS, vital records, tax records, photographs, videos, any item they have which includes the old Amsterdam records going back to the 1600s they want us to complete a form for their permission, and then charge us if they grant permission, to share the document/photograph etc. That means a genealogist who is hired by someone can’t just share the document with their client, or a hobbyist sharing it with their family- UNLESS they pay an additional fee and get permission. If you share that record with other family members, in online family tree, as proof for application to a lineage society, or in a printed history you are preparing for an upcoming family event you have to get their permission and pay their additional fee—you already paid for the record-this is double, triple, quadruple dipping!. DORIS says they can blanket license on anything and everything.
Under the rules, before you can do any of the items mentioned above, you are required to fill out a “Permission to Publish/Use Contract” (MA-45) and pay an additional $15.00 (per item) to “license” this image from DORIS. If you want to use a slide in a presentation that has a copy of the record—you have to get their permission and pay $15 for each record you want to include in your presentation. Researchers—if you want to share 50 copies of a certificate as part of your research you would have to get permission and pay $15 for each of the 50 copies or $750.00. If you want to publish your findings and include a copy in your article you have to get permission and pay $15.00 This is outrageous!
From the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society (NYG&B) landing page : Licensing fees for public records created with taxpayer funds are illogical and an affront to the very notion of accessible public records. The fact that this practice has been ongoing for a number of years does not make it right.
This is their own words: Proposed changes to these rules modify the language to mandate licensing fees when using these public records for educational, scholarly, non-profit, and media use.
An analogy: If you go to the restaurant and order the meal you get charged $15.00 If you eat the meal you get charged $15.00 if you take home leftovers you get charged $15.00! Just replace the word meal for record and you get the idea!
The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society (NYG&B) are spearheading the effort to get a mass response to these proposed regulations. Go to their landing page for more information: https://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/access-alert
This is what you can do:
To access the proposed rules see: https://rules.cityofnewyork.us/rule/32136/
DORIS moved the rules from where they were originally in my September 29 post! You can click on the link in the URL above or go directly to: https://tinyurl.com/yydbzwbz
The public hearing is scheduled for Friday October 23, 2020 at 11:00AM Eastern Time. Deadline for submitting comments is also October 23, 2020—see below on how to submit your statement. Information on how to participate by video conference or telephone is: Internet Video and Audio. To participate in the public hearing, enter the WebEx URL: https://nycdoris.webex.com/nycdoris/j.php?MTID=mefc0048fb1822df1ceebde18 (copy and paste if it does not click)
If prompted to provide a password or number, please enter the following: Meeting Number: 173 225 7395. Password: kjEZGpCu746 • Telephone. To access the hearing by telephone, dial +1-646-992-2010 United States Toll (New York City) or 1-408-418-9388 United States Toll. • Access code: 173 225 7395
You can submit comments several ways: • Website. You can submit comments to the Department of Records & Information Services through the NYC rules website at: http://rules.cityofnewyork.us. • Email. You can email comments to DORISrules@... • Mail. You can mail comments to: Assistant Commissioner Kenneth R. Cobb, Department of Records & Information Services, 31 Chambers Street, Suite 305, New York, N.Y. 10007. • Fax. You can fax comments to Department of Records & Information Services, 212 788-8625. • By speaking at the hearing. Anyone who wants to comment on the proposed rule at the public hearing may speak for up to three minutes. Please access the public hearing by Internet Video and Audio or by Telephone using the instructions above. It is recommended, but not required, that anyone who wants to comment sign up prior to the hearing by emailing Gerald Rosero at: grosero@...
Please be active on this issue---we can’t be silent!
To access the previous postings on the IAJGS Records Access Alert about the NYC DORIS/Municipal Archives go to the archives of the IAJGS Records Access Alert at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/. You must be registered to access the archives. To register go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization with whom you are affiliated. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized.
Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Re: Alternate names for Mollie Schiff
#names
Sherri Bobish
Susan, The 1890's can be a tough decade to search for manifests. Information varied by shipping line. Some may list little data, not even the town of birth. The handwriting on the manifests can be difficult to read which causes transcription errors. It is possible her first and/or surname can be transcribed to the index with an odd spelling. As far as learning what her original first name was, have you checked if it is inscribed on her tombstone? Regards, Sherri Bobish
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Re: Looking for family of Tsoglin from Chernigov and Semenovka
#ukraine
In Russian Cyrillic, the letters Ч “ch” and Ц “ts” are somewhat interchangeable.
Also, Cyrillic Г is transliterated to “G” or sometimes “V” from Russian, but to “H” from Ukrainian.
-David Mason, Culver City, CA
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Stakliskes, Lithuania - BARGER, ITMAN, KAPLAN
#lithuania
Angie Elfassi
Hi, On the same page/list is: Yankel BARGER s/o Berko - 49, his wife Henna - 37 and their daughter Chayka 11. It says next to Yankel's name: cousin, next to Henna - cousin's wife, next to Chayka cousin's daughter And also on the same page/list is: Manko KAPLAN s/o Yudel - 40; his wife Feyga - 35 and their daughter Chanka 5 It says next to Manko's name: cousin, next to Feyga - cousin's wife, next to Chanka cousin's daughter. Is anyone connected to the KAPLAN or BARGER families? and then we can connect to the ITMAN family. Thanks for your time and moadim l'simcha
Searching:RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/LeedsCOHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/LeedsMAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/LeedsKASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/LeedsMULVIDSON, Rezekne, Latvia/SwedenGREENSTONE, Rezekne, Latvia/LeedsITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USASOKOLOV, LatviaKANTOR, Sakiai, LithuaniaGOLDBERG, Sakiai, LithuaniaGELBERG, Kamianka-stromilava, Lvov, PolandELFASSI, Settat, Morocco
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Re: Looking for Linder and Spiwak from Poland and UK
#poland
#unitedkingdom
Sherri Bobish
Liz, Searching https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl I see a Murray LINDNER born 1915, mother's maiden SMITH. There is also another Murray LINDNER born 1881. Searching the above site for births, marriages & deaths may help you in your search. Regards, Sherri Bobish
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Jx. Gx.
Friends -
The New York Genealogical and Biological Society has posted the follow important message on their website. The NYC Department of Records and Information Services (DORIS) is proposing changes to how researchers can use public records held at the Municipal Archives (including New York City’s birth, marriage, and death records). In short, DORIS is adding language that limits your ability to share these documents with others and prohibits the use of these public records for educational, scholarly, non-profit, or media purposes without a paid license. The impact of these changes for researchers, genealogists, historians, and others is immense. You can learn more about these changes and their direct impact on you at nygbs.org/access-alert From that page, you can learn how to add your voice to this conversation before October 23, 2020, by submitting your personal comments, signing a public comment, participating in the public hearing, and/or sharing this news with others. We need your voice to affirm that public records created by taxpayer funds remain freely accessible. Thank you for your support – Joshua For more information about this proposed licensing and fee increase, please click on the link below or cut and paste to your web browser. https://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/access-alert?utm_source=enews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=records+access Thank you. Jeffrey Gee Arizona
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Re: File of Berdychev surnames 1897 census
#ukraine
Family and DNA
Paul & everyone else -- that Boris Finkelstein file has lists
of Jewish names for various "cases" (each book is a case) in the
fond 384 opus 15. The names are divided by case, which is the 3-81
you see (1st page shows names in case 3-5 for instance). Some of
these index files have page numbers, this one unfortunately does
not. If you see the name you want listed by BF under 3, you have to go
to the file at https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архіви/ДАКО/384/15/3
then look through that PDF for the name. Juliana Berland
On 10/7/2020 17:24, Paul Chirlin wrote:
On the Ukrainian archive material recently discussed I worked my way to the Berdychev 1897 census page https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%B8/%D0%94%D0%90%D0%9A%D0%9E/384/15 --
Juliana Berland (France) /// Russia/Ukraine: BENIN / BERLAND Czernigow; Romny, Poltava > (Paris>) Chicago AMBURG / BERKOWITZ / EPSTEIN Odessa, Kherson, Poltava > (Paris >) Buffalo NY; Chicago GELBURD / GAYLBURD / GOLDBERG / GILBERT Vinnitsya; Nemyriv; Priluki Staraya; Podolia gub. > Philadelphia; Atlantic City; Milwaukee /// Galicia/Poland/Ukraine: BADER Felsztyn (Skelivka) > Philadelphia BADIAN Komarno? FELDMA(N)N Wolanka / Boryslaw > Philadelphia FREIDENHEIM Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. GERTLER Komarno, Wolanka, Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. WEINER/WIENER ? /// Germany: ADELSDORFER ? BÄR / BAER Buttenhausen > mid-W US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN. EPSTEI(N)N Röhrenfurth/Melsungen, Sachsenhausen, Guxhagen > Luxembourg; Amsterdam; MW US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN HAUSSMAN Heidenheim? ISAAK Fellheim? MEYER Hannover > Aurora, IN. MOSES Gotte(rs?n?)heim, Sachsenhausen, Röhrenfurth. ROSENSTEIN Stuttgart; Elberfeld? > Philadelphia, Lancaster, PA.
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Re: Do you recognize? Siblings picture from Kherson c.1912
#ukraine
#latinamerica
#photographs
s05a02@...
Dear Cesar,I do not recognize the people in the picture but the interesting thing is your search about the Silbert family that migrated to Argentina in 1913. My grand mother family name was Silbert and I know that her parents came from Ukraine, Russia.Do you know something more about this family? I can tell you some about mine maybe there is some relation.By the way I also live in Israel .Hoping to hear from you soonשלוםSara Abrashkin-Rotarus05a02@...
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Re: Looking for family of Tsoglin from Chernigov and Semenovka
#ukraine
Sherri Bobish
Earl, Try searching The JewishGen Ukraine Database https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Ukraine/ I suggest doing a soundex (sounds like) search. I very quick look at the database shows a few people named Tsoglin from Chernigov. Surname also spelled TSOHLIN. Other spellings show up, but you'll have to figure out if they are relevant to your family, or not. Regards, Sherri Bobish
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Looking for BMD records in Wisnnitz
#ukraine
allan@...
Are BMD records available for Wishnitz (c. 1850-75)?
Thank you- Allan Linderman
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Lithuania Group Photos on a members Aliyah
#israel
#lithuania
#photographs
Michael Herzlich
Over the past months I have submitted to ViewMate many photos with inscriptions for translation. Several of the photos were of Zionist youth groups and include names of members emigrating to Israel (in one case to Brazil). The photos are from Lithuania, dated 1932, 1933, 1934. Below is a list of names mentioned on the outside chance someone recognizes a name and wishes a copy of a photo for personal use. You can find the photos on ViewMate as indicated by each inscription.
VM 82624 Meretch Sirkin society upon the leave of friend Y. Segal to Israel and friend M. Gendel to Brazil. Purim 5692 (March 22 1932)
VM 83075
The "Hashomer Hatzair" nest in Meretch (Merkine) To the emigration of Zusia and Yitzchok to Israel 3rd of Teves 5693, 1 January 1933
VM 83217
The graduates platoon of the "Hashomer Hatzair" in Meretch (Merkine) Upon the emigration of the members Tz. Shefer, Y. L. Zambrovsky, Dr. Elprin, and Rubinsky Y. to Israel.
Meretch (Merkine) 28 Adar 5693 Mar. 26 1933
VM83074
The "Chalutz" branch in Meretch (Merkine) To the emigration of the members :
G. Kribrotshkit, B. Smolnik, V. Rabin to Israel
2nd of Cheshven 5694
22 October 1933
This next photo was translated privately. I can post to ViewMate if requested. the picture of the group was taken according to the Hebrew calendar on September, 1934. this is a goodbye picture to a friend ITA RAIZNER איטה רייזנר who goes to live in ISRAEL/ Michael -- Michael Herzlich Delray Beach, Florida USA Belarus - EPSTEIN, HELFAND, POLLACK Galicia (Poland, Ukraine) - HERZLICH, TREIBER
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Re: Translation from "Russian" to English
#translation
Myers.debby@...
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 08:15 AM, <ryabinkym@...> wrote:
In Russian: Thanks so very much. Most appreciate. Debby Myers
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File of Berdychev surnames 1897 census
#ukraine
Paul Chirlin
On the Ukrainian archive material recently discussed I worked my way to the Berdychev 1897 census page https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%B8/%D0%94%D0%90%D0%9A%D0%9E/384/15
Just above the table of material is this clickable line: A poarkusnyy pointer of Jewish surnames. Cases 3-81. Author Boris Finkelstein which opens a page with a listing of all the names appearing on pages 3 to 81 of something but I cannot figure out the material from which it was extracted. As Chazen appears several times on the listing I'd love to find the original file that was used. Paul Chirlin
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JERUSALIMSKY/ROSEN-Schuzcin to USA
#usa
Yonatan Ben-Ari
Interested in making contact with descendants of the JERUSALEMSKY
family from Sczuchin who came to the USA around the turn of the 19-20th century. In the USA most of them changed their family name to ROSEN. They are known to have lived in Baltimore, Chicago and other places. My wife, Rebecca Ben-Ari is the daughter of Rabbi Morris YERUSHALMY who didn't change his name. Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem, Israel
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Michele Lock
Reading all of the above, I think that the name Kos is from Kehos/Kohos/Kehat/Kohat, from the name of one of the son's of Levi. All very interesting.
I looked on SteveMorse to see if there are any New York City death records for the given name Kos or Koss, and there are about 10 of them, all from Jewish families. So, there were a few men walking around NYC with this name. Thanks for the help. My friend spent 5 years off and on trying to find her great grandfather by searching exactly for 'Aron Kos Shaler' and only with that spelling. Couldn't find anything. I found him in about 15 minutes by searching census records for anyone with the last name 'sounds like Shaler' in NYC, and found Aaron Shaler living in Brooklyn, age 70 years. And using Steve Morse, found the death record for Koss Shaler. Sure, I got plenty of Schillers and Schollers, and the like, but it was safe to ignore them. MIchele Lock Alexandria, VA
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Where can I find the birth certificate of someone who was born in a DP camp (Benzheim)?
#records
#holocaust
Jessica Eber
My cousins would like to find the birth certificate of their mother, who was born in 1946 in the DP Camp in Benzheim. Is there a special archive for DP camp records? Do they just write to the nearest German office of civil records? Thanks for any suggestions.
-- Jessica Eber WALDMAN, STERNBERG, MAJBERGER, FREUDENFELD, ALTHOLZ
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Sarah L Meyer
Are there any records from Kolonie L'vove, Kherson Guberniya, which was one of the former Russian Jewish agricultural colonies. BTW I am one of the webmasters for this shtetl on the Kehilla links.
-- Sarah L Meyer Georgetown TX ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania https://www.sarahsgenies.com
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