Re: Alternate names for Mollie Schiff #names

Michele Lock

For Mollie, the most likely Yiddish/Hebrew name would be Malke/Malkah. Others might be Michle or Mamle. And then each of these might have various YIddish nicknames.

Have you tried just searching M* Schiff? More likely than not, your relative chose an English name that began with the same letter as her Yiddish/Hebrew name. 

I have a great great grandmother Michle, who in the US went by Mollie, Minnie, Mamie, and Minnie in various census records. 

Michele Lock
Alexandria, VA

(US-NYC) Records Access in Jeopardy NYC DORIS Regulations- ACTION REQUIRED #announcements

Jan Meisels Allen




New York City is the one jurisdiction where everyone knows someone on their family tree has been-so for this issue we are all New Yorkers! The IAJGS Records Access Alert notified everyone on September 29 about the proposed regulations the NYC Department of Records and Information Services (DORIS) AKA the Municipal Archives, when they  published the proposed regulations and scheduled a hearing on October 23, 2020, at 11:00 AM ET.


The Municipal Archives says it in their own words: “the Municipal Archives comprises the largest local government archive in North America…the Archives hold the records depicting the daily work of city government, including paper records…still and moving images, ledgers and docket books, vital records, cartographic materials, blueprints, and sound recordings.”


These are some of the egregious actions they are taking.  We all know we have to pay something for the records, and that is not the issue. The issue is access and their proposal to license public records that are already paid by public funds! Let’s talk about licensing and access. If you purchase ANYTHING from the Municipal Archives/DORIS, vital records, tax records,  photographs, videos, any item they have which includes the old Amsterdam records going back to the 1600s they want us to complete a form for their permission, and then charge us if they grant permission, to share the document/photograph etc. That means a genealogist who is hired by someone can’t just share the document with their client, or a hobbyist sharing it with their family- UNLESS they pay an additional fee and get permission. If you  share that record with other family members, in online family tree, as proof for application to a lineage society, or in a printed history you are preparing for an upcoming family event you have to get their permission and pay their additional fee—you already paid for the record-this is double, triple, quadruple dipping!.  DORIS says they can blanket license on anything and everything.


Under the rules, before you can do any of the items mentioned above, you are required to fill out a “Permission to Publish/Use Contract” (MA-45) and pay an additional $15.00 (per item) to “license” this image from DORIS. If you want to use a slide in a presentation that has a copy of the record—you have to get their permission and pay $15 for each record you want to include in your presentation. Researchers—if you want to share 50 copies of a certificate as part of your research you would have to get permission and pay $15 for each of the 50 copies or $750.00. If you want to publish your findings and include a copy in your article you have to get permission and pay $15.00  This is outrageous!  


From the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society (NYG&B) landing page : Licensing fees for public records created with taxpayer funds are illogical and an affront to the very notion of accessible public records. The fact that this practice has been ongoing for a number of years does not make it right.


This is their own words: Proposed changes to these rules modify the language to mandate licensing fees when using these public records for educational, scholarly, non-profit, and media use.


An analogy: If you go to the restaurant and order the meal you get charged $15.00 If you eat the meal you get charged $15.00 if you take home leftovers you get charged $15.00! Just replace the word meal for record and you get the idea!


The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society (NYG&B)  are spearheading the effort to get a mass response to these proposed regulations.

Go to their landing page for more information


This is what you can do:

  • Sign on to the NYG&B Public Comment.
  • Submit in your own statement at: DORISrules@...
  • Participate in the online public hearing: Sign up to attend on October 23, 2020, at 11:00 AM ET.
  • Share the information…this is the NYGBS Facebook posting and you do not have to be a Facebook subscriber to access it.
  • If you plan to testify at the hearing coordinate with NYGBS by contacting smiller@...
  • Have your genealogical or historical society send in a statement


To access the proposed rules see:


DORIS moved the rules from where they were originally in my September 29 post!  You can click on the link in the URL above or go directly to:

Original url:


The public hearing is scheduled for Friday October 23, 2020 at 11:00AM Eastern Time.  Deadline for submitting comments is also October 23, 2020—see below on how to submit your statement.

Information on how to participate by video conference or telephone is:

Internet Video and Audio. To participate in the public hearing, enter the

WebEx URL:

(copy and paste if it does not click)


If prompted to provide a password or number, please enter the following:

Meeting Number: 173 225 7395. Password: kjEZGpCu746

• Telephone. To access the hearing by telephone, dial +1-646-992-2010 United

States Toll (New York City) or 1-408-418-9388 United States Toll.

•   Access code: 173 225 7395


You can submit comments several ways:

• Website. You can submit comments to the Department of Records & Information Services through the NYC rules website at:

Email. You can email comments to DORISrules@...

Mail. You can mail comments to:

Assistant Commissioner Kenneth R. Cobb,

Department of Records & Information Services,

31 Chambers Street, Suite 305,

New York, N.Y. 10007.

Fax. You can fax comments to Department of Records & Information Services, 212 788-8625.

By speaking at the hearing. Anyone who wants to comment on the proposed rule at the public hearing may speak for up to three minutes. Please access the public hearing by Internet Video and Audio or by Telephone

using the instructions above. It is recommended, but not required, that anyone who wants to comment sign up prior to the hearing by emailing Gerald Rosero at: grosero@...


Please be active on this issue---we can’t be silent!


To access the previous  postings on the IAJGS Records Access Alert about the NYC DORIS/Municipal Archives go to the archives of the IAJGS Records Access Alert at:

You must be registered to access the archives.  To register go to:  and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical  organization

with whom you are affiliated.   You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee





Re: Alternate names for Mollie Schiff #names

Sherri Bobish


The 1890's can be a tough decade to search for manifests.  Information varied by shipping line.  Some may list little data, not even the town of birth.

The handwriting on the manifests can be difficult to read which causes transcription errors.  It is possible her first and/or surname can be transcribed to the index with an odd spelling.

As far as learning what her original first name was, have you checked if it is inscribed on her tombstone?


Sherri Bobish

Re: Looking for family of Tsoglin from Chernigov and Semenovka #ukraine

David Mason

In Russian Cyrillic, the letters Ч  “ch” and Ц “ts” are somewhat interchangeable. 


Also, Cyrillic Г is transliterated to “G” or sometimes “V” from Russian, but to “H” from Ukrainian.


-David Mason, Culver City, CA



Stakliskes, Lithuania - BARGER, ITMAN, KAPLAN #lithuania

Angie Elfassi


My 2nd ggrandfather Benjamin ITMAN s/o Chaim can be found on ALD for 1858 as head of household and he was 55. He is registered with his wife Ita 52 and the following children:  Freyda (daughter - 18 years old), Branya (d - 15), Chayka (d - 11), Peysach (son - 34)  his wife Freyka - 31 and their daughter Chanka aged 1..

On the same page/list is:

Yankel BARGER s/o Berko - 49, his wife Henna - 37 and their daughter Chayka 11. 

It says next to Yankel's name: cousin, next to Henna - cousin's wife, next to Chayka cousin's daughter

And also on the same page/list is:

Manko KAPLAN s/o Yudel - 40; his wife Feyga - 35 and their daughter Chanka 5

It says next to Manko's name: cousin, next to Feyga - cousin's wife, next to Chanka cousin's daughter.

Is anyone connected to the KAPLAN or BARGER families? and then we can connect to the ITMAN family.
Are there any clues Im missing if Benjamin's mother, Yankel's mother and Manko's mother were sisters? Or couled their mothers  - Yankel and Manko - be nee ITMAN?

Any suggestions or ideas would be gratefully accepted..

Thanks for your time and moadim l'simcha

Angie Elfassi

RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
MULVIDSON, Rezekne, Latvia/Sweden
GREENSTONE, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA
KANTOR, Sakiai, Lithuania
GOLDBERG, Sakiai, Lithuania
GELBERG, Kamianka-stromilava, Lvov, Poland
ELFASSI, Settat, Morocco

Re: Looking for Linder and Spiwak from Poland and UK #poland #unitedkingdom

Sherri Bobish


Searching  I see a Murray LINDNER born 1915, mother's maiden SMITH.  There is also another Murray LINDNER born 1881.

Searching the above site for births, marriages & deaths may help you in your search.


Sherri Bobish

Your Voice is Needed Now—NYC proposes limitations on your use of public records #general #records

Jx. Gx.

Friends -

The New York Genealogical and Biological Society has posted the follow important message on their website.
The NYC Department of Records and Information Services (DORIS) is proposing changes to how researchers can use public records held at the Municipal Archives (including New York City’s birth, marriage, and death records).  

In short, DORIS is adding language that limits your ability to share these documents with others and prohibits the use of these public records for educational, scholarly, non-profit, or media purposes without a paid license.  

The impact of these changes for researchers, genealogists, historians, and others is immense. You can learn more about these changes and their direct impact on you at

From that page, you can learn how to add your voice to this conversation before October 23, 2020, by submitting your personal comments, signing a public comment, participating in the public hearing, and/or sharing this news with others. 

We need your voice to affirm that public records created by taxpayer funds remain freely accessible. 

Thank you for your support – Joshua

For more information about this proposed licensing and fee increase, please click on the link below or cut and paste to your web browser.

Thank you.
Jeffrey Gee

Re: File of Berdychev surnames 1897 census #ukraine

Family and DNA

Paul & everyone else -- that Boris Finkelstein file has lists of Jewish names for various "cases" (each book is a case) in the fond 384 opus 15. The names are divided by case, which is the 3-81 you see (1st page shows names in case 3-5 for instance). Some of these index files have page numbers, this one unfortunately does not.

If you see the name you want listed by BF under 3, you have to go to the file atАрхіви/ДАКО/384/15/3 then look through that PDF for the name.

Hope this helps!
Juliana Berland

On 10/7/2020 17:24, Paul Chirlin wrote:
On the Ukrainian archive material recently discussed I worked my way to the Berdychev 1897 census page

Just above the table of material is this clickable line: A poarkusnyy pointer of Jewish surnames. Cases 3-81. Author Boris Finkelstein
which opens a page with a listing of all the names appearing on pages 3 to 81 of something but I cannot figure out the material from which it was extracted.  As Chazen appears several times on the listing I'd love to find the original file that was used.  

Paul Chirlin

Juliana Berland (France)

/// Russia/Ukraine: BENIN / BERLAND Czernigow; Romny, Poltava > (Paris>) Chicago AMBURG / BERKOWITZ / EPSTEIN Odessa, Kherson, Poltava > (Paris >) Buffalo NY; Chicago GELBURD / GAYLBURD / GOLDBERG / GILBERT Vinnitsya; Nemyriv; Priluki Staraya; Podolia gub. > Philadelphia; Atlantic City; Milwaukee /// Galicia/Poland/Ukraine: BADER Felsztyn (Skelivka) > Philadelphia BADIAN Komarno? FELDMA(N)N Wolanka / Boryslaw > Philadelphia FREIDENHEIM Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. GERTLER Komarno, Wolanka, Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. WEINER/WIENER ? /// Germany: ADELSDORFER  BÄR / BAER Buttenhausen > mid-W US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN. EPSTEI(N)N Röhrenfurth/Melsungen, Sachsenhausen, Guxhagen > Luxembourg; Amsterdam; MW US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN HAUSSMAN Heidenheim? ISAAK Fellheim? MEYER Hannover > Aurora, IN. MOSES Gotte(rs?n?)heim, Sachsenhausen, Röhrenfurth. ROSENSTEIN Stuttgart; Elberfeld? > Philadelphia, Lancaster, PA.


Re: Do you recognize? Siblings picture from Kherson c.1912 #ukraine #latinamerica #photographs


Dear Cesar, 

I do not recognize the people in the picture but the interesting thing is your search about the Silbert family that migrated to Argentina in 1913. My grand mother family name was Silbert and I know that her parents came from Ukraine, Russia. 

Do you know something more about this family? I can tell you some about mine maybe there is some relation.

By the way I also live in Israel .

Hoping to hear from you soon


Sara Abrashkin-Rotaru


Re: Looking for family of Tsoglin from Chernigov and Semenovka #ukraine

Sherri Bobish


Try searching The JewishGen Ukraine Database

I suggest doing a soundex (sounds like) search.  I very quick look at the database shows a few people named Tsoglin from Chernigov.  Surname also spelled TSOHLIN Other spellings show up, but you'll have to figure out if they are relevant to your family, or not.


Sherri Bobish

Looking for BMD records in Wisnnitz #ukraine


Are BMD records available for Wishnitz (c. 1850-75)?

Thank you-
Allan Linderman

Lithuania Group Photos on a members Aliyah #israel #lithuania #photographs

Michael Herzlich

Over the past months I have submitted to ViewMate many photos with inscriptions for translation.  Several of the photos were of Zionist youth groups and include  names of members emigrating to Israel (in one case to Brazil).  The photos are from Lithuania, dated 1932, 1933, 1934.  Below is a list of names mentioned on the outside chance someone recognizes a name and wishes a copy of a photo for personal use.  You can find the photos on ViewMate as indicated by each inscription.

VM 82624
Meretch Sirkin society upon the leave of friend Y. Segal to Israel and friend M. Gendel to Brazil.
Purim 5692 (March 22 1932)

VM 83075
The "Hashomer Hatzair" nest in Meretch (Merkine) To the emigration of Zusia and Yitzchok to Israel
3rd of Teves 5693, 1 January 1933

VM 83217
The graduates platoon of the "Hashomer Hatzair" in Meretch (Merkine)
Upon the emigration of the members Tz. Shefer, Y. L. Zambrovsky, Dr. Elprin, and Rubinsky Y. to Israel.
Meretch (Merkine) 28 Adar 5693 Mar. 26 1933

The "Chalutz" branch in Meretch (Merkine)
To the emigration of the members :
G. Kribrotshkit, B. Smolnik, V. Rabin to Israel
2nd of Cheshven 5694
22 October 1933

This next photo was translated privately.  I can post to ViewMate if requested.
the picture of the group was taken according to the Hebrew calendar on September, 1934. this is a goodbye picture to a friend ITA RAIZNER איטה רייזנר who goes to live in ISRAEL/

Michael Herzlich
Delray Beach, Florida USA

Galicia (Poland, Ukraine) - HERZLICH, TREIBER

Re: Translation from "Russian" to English #translation


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 08:15 AM, <ryabinkym@...> wrote:
In Russian:

Дорогие, дальше еще одна, это приватный фотограф, мой один друг снял.  Ваш Джозеф.
Мы снялись возле статуи Венеры.

Translated into English:

Dear ones, there is another one further, this is a private photographer, one of my friends took pictures. Your Joseph. We filmed near the statue of Venus.

Translated by Michael Ryabinky

 Thanks so very much. Most appreciate. 
Debby Myers

File of Berdychev surnames 1897 census #ukraine

Paul Chirlin

On the Ukrainian archive material recently discussed I worked my way to the Berdychev 1897 census page

Just above the table of material is this clickable line: A poarkusnyy pointer of Jewish surnames. Cases 3-81. Author Boris Finkelstein
which opens a page with a listing of all the names appearing on pages 3 to 81 of something but I cannot figure out the material from which it was extracted.  As Chazen appears several times on the listing I'd love to find the original file that was used.  

Paul Chirlin


Yonatan Ben-Ari

Interested in making contact with descendants of the JERUSALEMSKY
family from Sczuchin who came to the USA around the turn of the
19-20th century. In the USA most of them changed their family name to
ROSEN. They are known to have lived in Baltimore, Chicago and other

My wife, Rebecca Ben-Ari is the daughter of Rabbi Morris YERUSHALMY
who didn't change his name.

Yoni Ben-Ari,
Jerusalem, Israel

Re: Yiddish male given name 'Kos' #poland #names

Michele Lock

Reading all of the above, I think that the name Kos is from Kehos/Kohos/Kehat/Kohat, from the name of one of the son's of Levi. All very interesting.

I looked on SteveMorse to see if there are any New York City death records for the given name Kos or Koss, and there are about 10 of them, all from Jewish families. So, there were a few men walking around NYC with this name.

Thanks for the help.

My friend spent 5 years off and on trying to find her great grandfather by searching exactly for 'Aron Kos Shaler' and only with that spelling. Couldn't find anything. I found him in about 15 minutes by searching census records for anyone with the last name 'sounds like Shaler' in NYC, and found Aaron Shaler living in Brooklyn, age 70 years. And using Steve Morse, found the death record for Koss Shaler. Sure, I got plenty of Schillers and Schollers, and the like, but it was safe to ignore them.
MIchele Lock
Alexandria, VA

Where can I find the birth certificate of someone who was born in a DP camp (Benzheim)? #records #holocaust

Jessica Eber

My cousins would like to find the birth certificate of their mother, who was born in 1946 in the DP Camp in Benzheim. Is there a special archive for DP camp records? Do they just write to the nearest German office of civil records? Thanks for any suggestions.

Jessica Eber

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Sarah L Meyer

Are there any records from Kolonie L'vove, Kherson Guberniya, which was one of the former Russian Jewish agricultural colonies.  BTW I am one of the webmasters for this shtetl on the Kehilla links.  
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Success! Family Reunited After 68 Years #holocaust #JewishGenUpdates

Nancy Siegel

Say, Dad, Grandpa is Not dead? Reuniting the Family After 68 Years

by Noah Isman

“… Many people gathered at the border-crossing but the Russians did not let them pass. While they were waiting, and before Israel had a chance to find and join his father and brother, a German air raid started and the crowd dispersed, some running into a nearby forest and some exploiting the disorder to cross into the Russian zone. In the commotion David and Henryk lost each other, never to meet again…”

Noah tells the story of how his family became separated during the Holocaust, how some were murdered by the Nazis while others, unbeknownst to each other, managed to survive, and how the families reconnected after almost seven decades.


Be inspired by this story on JewishGen’s Success! Stories webpage. 

You can access it from the “About Us” button on the website or by following this link:

Nancy Siegel
Director of Communications
(San Francisco, CA)

Re: Yiddish male given name 'Kos' #poland #names

Eric Mack

In Sefardi-accented Hebrew, "Kehos" would be pronounced "Kehat".
Eric Mack, Jerusalem

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