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Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Peter Cohen
 

Looks like people have sorted this one out.  Here are some general thoughts about this type of problem:

When the person in the cemetery office doesn't find the person you are looking for, they will next go to their index card files, which is what they used before computers. Some cemeteries have thrown these away. Some still have them.
The really diligent ones will pull out the grave map of the section where you think the person is buried (if you know it) and pore over the map to see if they can find the person.  (If the Mount Carmel person spent 20 minutes, they probably did this.)  You may have to specifically ask them to pull out the map and look.

Most of the burial societies in New York cemeteries buried people sequentially. So the person on either side of a particular grave is the last and the next person to die, unless the family chose to buy two plots together when the first to die was buried. Some societies bury men on one side and women on the other.

All this is to say that looking at who is buried nearby may not be helpful if the spouse you are looking for died a good number of years before or after.

Kudos to A.E. Jordan for using the cemetery's online database to sort this out.  Luckily, Mount Carmel's locator page is one that allows you to enter the society name. Otherwise you would have to scour all entries for the year of death.
All of the cemetery websites for New York City Jewish cemeteries seem to use the same back-end software. So, be aware that those pages that allow you to enter a society name in the search data have a flaw which will not allow you to enter two words. In our example, where our person is buried in a society called VEREIN CHOROSTKOWER, if you enter VEREIN CHOROSTKOWER as the society, the website software removes the space, makes it vereinchorostkower, and comes back with no results.  If you enter just VEREIN, you will get results for all societies that include VEREIN in the name (this will bring up Leah, Brown and others).  If you enter just CHOROSTKOWER, you will get results that apply only to VEREIN CHOROSTKOWER. Entering year: 1930 and Society: CHOROSTKOWER (and nothing else) brings up only 4 results, including LEAH, BROWN.

Peter Cohen
California


Re: Family Tree in Geni question #general

Mark Shapiro
 


Deciphering handwriting on passenger lists #belarus

Harlan Weller
 

Attached is a Hamburg passenger record for a family which I believe are my GF's aunt and her children travelling from Hamburg to New York in 1913.  Their surnames are Silber (or Silver).

According to a later naturalization application, one of the daughters was born in Svir, Belarus. 

I am trying to read the location from which they departed.  For some reason, ancestry has the Hamburg record indexed as Berger and I have never heard of such a location.  

Interestingly enough, I believe that the mother's maiden name is Berger.  Is it possible that somehow that got written down in the wrong column?

The New York record (which I have had trouble downloading) indicates that they are going to join Elias Silver (who is the husband/father) 

Thank you in advance,

Harlan Weller

Researching

WELLER (Svir)
BERGER (Svir)
HILLER (Krasnashiltz)
REZNIK (Oshmana/Evenitz)
KAUFMAN(Oshmana)
COHEN (Lazdijai)

 
 
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Re: Dolginovo #belarus

aiginsburg
 

The term "Gubernia"was used during the Russian Empire. From 1920-1939, Dolginovo was in Poland, and Dolignovo was in the Vilna Voivodeship.Both Gubrenia and Voivodeship may be translated as Provinice.
Aarin Ginsburg
Foxboro, MA 
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jewishdokshitsy.org


Re: Kremenets region - Village of Kolosova #ukraine

Ellen Garshick
 

Hello Arkady,

I'm not aware of a Kolosova in the Kremenets district. Could it be the town of Klesov (Klesiv [Ukr], Klesov [Rus], Klesów [Pol], Klisov [Yid], Klosova, Klosowa) in the Rovno district? The JewishGen Communities database (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1042140)  shows this town at 51°20' N, 26°56' E.

Other online (not verified) sources give Yakov Kamenetsky's birthplace as Kalushkove, Lithuania, or Kalushkova, Minsk province, Belarus.  You might search the JewishGen Gazetteer for these towns (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp) and see if records and other resources are available for them.

Best of luck,
Ellen

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an activity of the Kremenets District Research Group
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets
Researching BAT, AVERBAKH from Kremenets, Shumsk, Katerburg, and Folvarki, Ukraine; GERSHIK, HURWITCH from Staryye Dorogi and Bobruisk, Belarus; ROTHKOPF (ROTKOP), GOLDBERG from Bialystok, Poland, and Baranivichi and Slonim, Belarus


family BURSZTYN in Warsaw #warsaw

Lemberski Evelyne
 

Mesdams, Sirs,

I am looking for the descendants of the following people born in Warsaw :

Anna BURSZTYN born in 1895
Eliasz BURSZTYN born in 1898
Jasza BURSZTYN born in 1897
Pola BURSZTYN born in 1902
Benick Anna BURSZTYN born in 1905
Szyja BURSZTYN born in 1905
Rega BURSZTYN born in 1906


Thank you for your help,

Evelyne LEMBERSKI
evelynelemberski@...
saint maurice
(france)


TURKANIS, KURCHITZER #translation

Marvin Turkanis
 

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There are several documents about Zvhil (Novohrad Volynskyy in Russian in https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%84%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%BE#%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4-%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%82.

Can anyone tell me if there is information about TURKANIS, TURKIEWICS, TURKEIWICS, TURKIEWICZ, TURKEWISCH or KURCHITZER, KURCZYSER, KURSHITSER in these documents?

Thank you and stay safe.

Marvin Turkanis


Re: Kremenets region - Village of Kolosova #ukraine

Alexander Sharon
 

Village was known in Polish as Kołosów. During the interwar period (1918-1939) village was located within Bialokrynica parish of Krzemieniec (Kremenets) district of Wolhynia (Volin) Province.
As one can see from the Kołosów entry in Poland 1921 Business Directory, there were 519 residents, and all the nearest facilities such as telephone, telegraph, post office and the  train station  were located 9 km (6 miles) distance in Krzemieniec.
Refer to Kołosów at JewishGen (Jewish Records Indexing - Poland Project):

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/poland/1929/P2169.pdf

There is also entry for Kołosów (Kołosowa) in circa 1870 Geographical Dictionary of the Kingdom of Poland and...

http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XV_cz.2/108

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor




Rogol Family of Dieveniskes. Lithuania (Divenishok), Identification Photos (2) #lithuania #photographs

Adam Cherson
 

These are two of a series of high-definition photographs obtained from town residents/for identification.
If you are able to recognize someone/please contact me privately using the 'Private' button below.

Location: Dieveniskes/Divenishok/Dziewieniszki/Jevenishok/Devenishki/Dzievianiski– Vilna Province

Year: about 1930-35

 

Comment: Standing: [from viewer’s l to r]: Reyzl (Movshovitsh) Rogol/Moshe Yakov HaLevi Rogol/Unknown A/Unknown B; Sitting: Unknown C; Reyzl is a daughter of the town's chief rabbi Ysroel Movshovitsh




Comment: Arms crossed: Moshe Yakov HaLevi ROGOL; behind him Reyzl (MOVSHOVITSH) Rogol NOTE: This is likely to be the extended Rogol family: perhaps brothers and sisters of Moshe Yakov and spouses.



Adam Cherson

ROGOL, RAGOL, RAGOLER, RAGOLSKI, ROGOV, REGULAR, MOVSHOVITSH, MOISHEVICH, RABINOVICH


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Steve Stein
 

She is there as Brown Leah, not Leah Brown. Use Leah as the surname. Same society as her husband.

Steve Stein


Re: Towns (Villages) of outskirts of Kiev #ukraine

Diane Rabinowitz
 

My father’s father Avraham came   came from Terlitza or Bershad. His father Rabbi Yitzhak Was the Terlitzer Rebbe, a chossid of the Manistritcha Rebbe? The name Tolna pops up in the notes I took from interviewing my father who was born in 1909 in Brooklyn. 

Father’s mother’s family from Khaschevata. Her father “Rabbi Binyamin Sussman was a renowned Chazan. 
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Looking for members of the Kosfiszer family of Laszczow #poland #general

kosfiszer8@...
 

Looking for members of the Kosfiszer family from Laszczow, Lublin, Poland and Lodz, Poland; or people that have any knowledge of the family name.

Angel Kosfiszer
kosfiszer8@...
Richardson, Texas.


Availability of Digitized Records #belarus #records

Teewinot
 

Hi Cousins,

I'd like to know if BMD records for Vietka/Vetka in the Gomel Region of
Belarus have been digitized and put online somewhere, even if not
translated. I'm particularly interested in records from 1800 to 1920,
and especially from 1870 to 1920.

Thanks so much!

Jeri Friedman
Florida

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Re: Researching family in Saint Petersburg, Russia #russia

Ava Nackman
 

Joel, how did you come by a translated version of these records?  My husband's grandfather had a sister who ended up in St. Petersburg.  She was married to someone with surname Pekar (that is all I know) and, per family lore, he was an opera singer who "sang for the czar".  I know that they remained in Russia and had two daughters.  I would love to track down these individuals, or at least find out what happened to them, as the family eventually lost contact with them.  But I have no idea even how to begin.  I am not aware of what records even exist in Russia, which are accessible, and if any translations have been done.  Can you give me some guidance as to how to start or point me to a good guide on Russian Jewish genealogy, if such a thing exists?
Ava Nackman


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Robert Hanna
 

I trust that Allan Jordan is correct.  I've never known him to be wrong.  I'll bet that the gravestone, if there is one, is correct.  I looked at the death certificate and I can understand how somebody, in a hurry, transliterated the name Braver incorrectly to Brown.  I won't be at that cemetery this year.  Otherwise I would photograph the gravestone for you.  However, you can call the cemetery and ask them if they will photograph it for you.  Many cemeteries will do that free of charge.

Good luck,
Robert Hanna


Re: Researching family in Saint Petersburg, Russia #russia

GRSN@...
 

Thank you for your reply. Perhaps I should add that I was told that my Great Grandfather’s name was “Rehabilitated” in Russia and a plaque was placed on the building where the family lived. 

My Uncle William Shneyer went to Russia at that time to be present. He asked if he could see his family home. He was able to, but was told by the people living there that the Shneyer family could not have have lived there because he was Jewish. 

He was allowed to see the home.
Thank you once again for your kindness in providing me with information.  

Gail Shneyer Nussbaum, Theodore Shneyer’s Grandaughter.


Re: Swedish Death Records: VON KRASKOWSKI #records

seth@...
 

Johanna Tekla may have been buried next to her husband (divorcee?) in Quarter IV, grave 1, in the Catholic Graveyard at the address Solglimtsgatan 1 in Solna, a city in the Haga neighborhood, at the outskirts of the city of Stockholm. However, as the record (http://www.gravar.se/forsamling/katolska-kyrkogarden-i-stockholm/katolska-kyrkogarden/0/iv/georg-von-kraskowski) doesn't show her death date, it may be a reserved grave that was never used.

In any case, you may be able to get more information from: 
info@.... Tekla doesn't seem to be buried in the Jewish cemetery, which by the way is more or less adjacent to the Catholic one above.


Seth Jacobson


Re: Towns (Villages) of outskirts of Kiev #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Steven

Talnoy is in Zvenigrod county in Kyiv gubernia
there is an 1811 revision list on Alex K which has a section for this town  at:
https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%B8/%D0%94%D0%90%D0%9A%D0%9E/280/2/254

the section for this town starts on p 918

this is the only document I see with a specific mention of the town but there are many documents for the Zvenigrod county in Alex K's wiki at https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%84%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%BE#%D0%97%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%82

use chrome and find the index at the top and click on 6.4 to take you to the Zvenigrod County section.

Pliskov is in Lipovets district - the only specific item i see is a 1795 revision list at https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архіви/ДАКО/280/2/23.  town starts p.95

otherwise click on 6.7 for other files in the area


Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

clucenti@...
 

I used a similar search method as Allan Jordan and also came up with Leah Brown, died Oct 29, 1930. Like Allan, I am reasonably confident that this is probably the burial you are searching for. These types of errors are quite common. The database was prepared using handwritten records, and in the case of some of the burial societies, the plots were purchased directly through the society, and the names were provided to the cemetery by the society. Trying to get the cemetery to correct information in their database can be a challenge. However, once you check the headstone and confirm it is her, provide the cemetery with a photograph of the headstone along with her death certificate, and you should be able to get them to correct their database. From past experience, I have found that cemeteries will generally not correct the spelling without official documentation such as a death certificate.

Regards,
Cary Pollack


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

avivahpinski@verizon.net
 

One possible answer to the problem:
I had a similar problem when I found a grave  listed for a friend's family member who had died as a child. It is a small cemetery in Pennsylvania which has not been used since about 1945 and is under restoration - Har Hasetim in Gladwyne Pennsylvania.   The deceased was listed on the original cemetery list but the stone could not be found.  My friend then remembered that the body had probably been exhumed and moved to another cemetery in a nearby town which the family used later. 

Avivah R. Z. Pinski
near Philadelphia, USA
Researching: Zuchman in Sarnaki, Karczew, and Warsaw Poland
Rubinsztejn in Sarnaki, Poland
Reznik in Drohiczyn, Siemiatische, Poland

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