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Re: Hungarian Jewish Women in BREMEN & OBERNHEIDE 1944-5 #hungary #holocaust #poland

David Lewin
 

At 20:58 14/10/2020, shaul berger via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

I would like to connect with survivors (and their children) of a group of 500 Hungarian/Slovak jewish women (and 300 jewish women from Lodz). My mother Manci Rachel Aranka Berger (nee Hutter) was part of this group. She arrived with her family to Auschwitz in early June 1944  from Hungary. She and her family were sent by train from Salgotarjan but originally her family lived in Slovakia, south of Rimavska Sobota) . All my family was murdered on arrival and my mother was the only one to survive. The women of this group (most of them 15-30 years old) were sent in late July from Auschwitz to Obernheide (near Bremen) as slave laborers. They did various manual labor tasks such as cleaning up rubble from Bremen streets after Allied air bombings. In early April 1945 they were moved to the Bergen Belsen concentration camp where they were liberated on April 15.

I am trying to learn more about this dark period (I have the book "Women of Obernheide"). . My mother told me about that period but I hope you can help me learn more . Lily Maor z"l who was the chairman of the Obernheide comittee and even organized meetings and a trip to Bremen. There is also memorial in Obernheide with the names of the slave laborers. I would like to get memorial pictures as well as list of names.

Any help will be appreciated. You are welcome to contact me directly by email.

Shaul Berger
California
dspmaster@...
 
BRUMER, RETTIG, WATTENBERG (Zolkiew, Rawa Russka),
HUTTER, KIFLIG, HERZIG, WATTENBERG (Rimavska Sobota, Jaroslaw, Przemysl, Dobromil),
BERGER & SPITZER (Szecseny, Shirkovce, Prague)
POSNER, LICHTSZAJN (Warsaw), EHRENREICH (Warsaw/Miechow), SCHELL & RIEGER (Gorlice),
NEUMANN, FADENHECHT & NACHT (Buczacz)
_._,_._,_


There is a memorial organisation in Bremen for the Concentration Camp

See  https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-neuengamme.de/en/history/satellite-camps/satellite-camps/bremen-obernheide/

David Lewin
London

Search & Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there".
We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic and Israel.
See our Web pages at https://remember.org/unite/


ISA CRM:0068118 Israel Censuses 1922-1932 #israel

David Lewin
 

On 4 Aug 2020 Sharon Taylor raised the question of Censuses conducted by the British of the population in Palestine,.

Here now is the clarifying response from the Israel State Archive


From: =?iso-8859-8-i?B?4Ons5CDw5+Xt?= <ayalan@...>
To: David Lewin <david@...>
Subject: ISA CRM:0068118
Thread-Topic: ISA CRM:0068118
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 10:00:37 +0000


Dear Mr. Lewin,

The   1922 and 1931 Censuses in Palestine are not found in the  Israel  State Archives.

But there is an article in Hebrew by Yitzhak Ben-Zvi "Christians in the Land of Israel" following the census (October-November 1922).

Please see the attached  link:


Regarding the 1931 census:

Please see link to file number M - 5066/2: Data and correspondence regarding the 1931 census of the Jerusalem District


 

File No. M - 5066/3::

There is a problem with the archive website so the file can be seen scanned in early November.


 

File No. P 1907 / 5: Research material by Yitzhak Ben Zvi regarding the 1931 census:
https://www.archives.gov.il/archives/Archive/0b071706800309b3/File/0b071706807ae9c1





General Searching in our website:









Please see the link to our new website: https://www.archives.gov.il

Open it in the Chrome browser. The search function only works in Hebrew.

Search by key words (îô÷ãé àåëìåñéï. [my Email client has no Hebrew. The word here is "Mifkadei Uchlosin"]  On the left side of the screen you can narrow down your choice by selecting the specific range of years you are interested in or the source of the material.

Press on the title of the file you want to see. Files can only be ordered on the website. If the file is not yet scanned, fill out all the requested details in the scanning request, on the right side of the screen, and send it to us. If possible, the file will be scanned and checked and then you can see it in on our website. We will write to you when it is available.

For photographs: search by key words and choose the images (úîåðåú)=[tmunot],  theword here is tab on the upper part of the screen.

Best regards,
Ayala Nahum
Services for the public
Israel State Archives

úéàåø äôðééä [Te'ur hap'niya]: Where can I find a copy of the 1922 and 1931 censuses in Palestine? -

David Lewin
Search & Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there".
We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic and Israel.
See our Web pages at https://remember.org/unite/


Re: Ukraine and Belarus births and marriages - what is best approach to find records? #ukraine #belarus

Walter Elias
 

I am also searching for records from the 1870's from Skidal, and Amdur near Grodno. Where can I find these records?
Walter Elias. 


(Australia) National Library of Australia, Nat'l Lib of Israel to Digitize 10 Years of Australian Jewish News #announcements #israel #records

Jan Meisels Allen
 

                                                  

 

An initiative between the Australian Jewish Historical Society, National Library of Australia and the National Library of Israel will open 180 years of Australian Jewish Newspapers from across the continent. It will include more than 200,000 pages.

The collection will be accessible worldwide through Australia’s free online research portal Trove (https://trove.nla.gov.au/) and  the Historical Jewish Press Project (https://web.nli.org.il/sites/JPress/English/Pages/default.aspx).

 

Jews have been in Australia since 1788 and their history is not well known. The newspapers represent a rich source of contemporary history and to provide access to the information for historians, genealogists and interested members of the public.

 

The history of the Jewish press in Australia goes back to 1842, when, despite the very small Jewish population, a local edition of the London-based Voice of Jacob (what would later become The Jewish Chronicle) was published in Sydney. All issues of the Australian Jewish News will be digitized, as will all other Australian Jewish newspapers published up to the copyright date of 1954.

 

“With a history that extends over 125 years, the Australian Jewish News has been an important part of not only the Jewish community but also the wider Australian community," Polaris Media CEO David Redman explained. "Polaris Media, as the publisher of The Australian Jewish News

 

Most of the publications were in English, though also some were in Yiddish and Hebrew.

 

To read more see: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/national-library-of-israel-to-digitize-180-years-of-australian-jewish-news-645562

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

sojacobs@...
 

I was told by my father, Leon Schiller, who was born in Chernigov, Ukraine  In 1906, that his father, Aryeh Nikrityn, was a tailor for the Czar.  I have no verification of this and sadly have found no details about this gentleman beyond a marriage record for him and my grandmother, Etlya Naishuler, who emigrated to the U.S. with my father and his brother in 1913.
Joan Jacobson, Overland Park, Kansas


Dieveniskes, Vilna (Divenishok), Lithuania, c1929 Photo for Identification #photographs #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

This is one of a series of high-definition photographs obtained from town residents/for identification.
If you are able to recognize someone/please contact me privately using the 'Private' button below.


Location: Vilna/Dieveniskes/Divenishok/Dziewieniszki/Jevenishok/Devenishki/Dzievianiski

Year: about 1929

Comments: This photo was described as being ‘cousins’ of the couple standing in back/dressed in black. I am not sure if they are his or her cousins. My aunt believes they are her cousins. The couple was from Dieveniskes and Voronova, so the cousins were presumably at home in Vilna. They could be: her cousins: GERSON, CHERSON, HERSZON, GERSHUN, COHEN, RABINOVICH, SOLTS, or KAPLAN, or his: BENYAKONSKI, RUBINOVICH, KARCHMER, GREIS, or GRIN. Notice that two of the women are wearing the same dress (same family tailor?) and the the three women seem to be wearing similar necklaces. Soon after this photo was taken, the couple departed for life in America.




Adam Cherson


Re: Skuodas picture #lithuania #photographs

binyaminkerman@...
 

The second word from right is clearly the year 1930. The rest of the Yiddish is harder to decipher, you may have luck posting it (separately from the rest of the picture) on viewmate and seeking a Yiddish translation.

Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD


ViewMate translation request--Russian #translation

Joseph Walder
 

I have posted to ViewMate part of a page from an 1871 Jewish male census (army recruit list) for Boguslav, Ukraine, for some of my MURAKHOVSKY ancestors. It is on ViewMate at the following address:
 
I would appreciate as complete a translation as possible. Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
 
Thank you very much.
 
Joseph Walder,  Portland, Oregon, USA
 


ViewMate translation requests - Russian #translation

Debbie Terman
 

Hello,

I've posted 2 vital records in Russian for which I need translations. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:


Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Debbie Cohn Terman
Newton MA, USA


Re: Update to the Family Tree of the Jewish People #JewishGenUpdates

Pieter Hoekstra
 

David and Lorraine,

Daniel Horowitz provides a good explanation. Lorraine asked specifically about My Heritage and I quote their explanation as follows;

 You can export a GEDCOM file of your family tree on your family site on MyHeritage.com.

1.     Log in to your family site.

2.     Move your mouse cursor over ‘Family tree’ and click on ‘Manage Trees’.

3.     On the page that opens, click on ‘Export to GEDCOM’ on the right side next to the name of the tree you would like to export.

4.     On the next page you can choose whether to include photos to the GEDCOM file. Then click 'Begin the export'.

5.     You will then receive an email with the link to download your GEDCOM file.
                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Once you save this gedcom file (suggestion -  add the date to the file name) you can export it to wherever you wish or use your preferred genealogy software to open and make changes.

--
Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

Jules Levin
 

It seems inprobable, but then a real Jew, Baron Ginsburg, built the

whole transSiberian railroad, so why not a bathtub?

(By the way, Ginsburg did not convert, and did speak to the Tsar.)

Jules Levin


On 10/14/2020 4:52 AM, segslusky via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

Yes, my son in law’s family (GERSHKOVITZ Kerch, Crimea) has a story
that their ancestor designed a bathtub for the czar’s railroad car
that reduced water sloshing out. But this sounds so unlikely

Susan Slusky, Highland Park, NJ

GRABER, HUF, MYSZKET, BARK Lublin Province
VOROBEY, PODMAZO Minsk Province and near Kovno
HERSCHER, KRAMER Galicia/Russian border


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

Jules Levin
 

This is a good example of what often happened when a soldier was
honorably discharged.  But I am sure the tsar did not personally perform
what was a common administrative process.  (Did a tsar personally hire
an individual to run the post office in a village in Lithuania?) My
uncle was wounded on the Western Front just before the Armistice, and I
think he held Woodrow Wilson personally responsible.  If you asked him
if Wilson sent him to a useless war in France, he would have agreed.

Jules Levin


On 10/14/2020 5:44 AM, mur33706 via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
My maternal grandfather was employed by Czar Nickolas as a beaurocrat
in his village of Yurovichi in Belarus with responsibilities including
postmaster and director of official documents and his family owned the
means of moving cargo and passengers within his geographical area. He
was able to permit HIMSELF to leave his home in 1914 to travel to a
nearby city large enough to have a teaching program to make him a
shochet and a butcher in order to bring a useful skill in his
emigration to America. He returned home 4 years later to bring his
immediate family to New Jersey where he had established himself with a
house for them. There are many interesting tales of what occurred
during those 4 years but those will only be told on demand.
Murray Stollman, St Pete Beach, FL


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

Jules Levin
 

Every discharged soldier received discharge papers that specified what
he did in the army.  That would be his certificate.  Too bad he didn't
keep it.

Jules Levin


On 10/14/2020 6:03 AM, Laurence Posner wrote:
My wife’s grandfather from Latvia told the family that he had been a
watch repairer in the Czar’s army. He continued that trade in America.
He also said Russian soldiers taught him to fish and hunt which he
also did. I can’t vouch for the truth of this though one cousin is
said to have some type of certificate attesting to his service in the
Czar’s army. That’s the family lore.

Larry Posner, Salem MA
researching LISAK, TUREK, RESNICK, GURNEY, POZNANSKY
Laurence Posner


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

Jules Levin
 

Depends when they served.  By the 1870s it was possible to provide
services to nobility without conversion, although they may have been
invited to convert.  They needed the courage to say no, then they were
hired anyway...

Jules Levin


On 10/14/2020 7:14 AM, luc.radu via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I take that by "employed by the Czar" you mean  DIRECTLY employed.
There are such cases but all those Jews were practicing the Russian
Orthodox faith.

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

Jules Levin
 

There are several books on Jews' services to tsars.  By the way, Stalin
also had a Jewish dentist

Jules Levin


On 10/14/2020 7:23 AM, David Barrett wrote:
Interesting
Last week we were informed that he had a Jewish *dentist* [
/Shneyer/]  and I grew up with a story from my mother that the family
in Berdichev, Ukraine had a relative who was in the Czars retinue On
line I have come into contact with ? a DNA relative Scott Schwarzberg 
[ my heritage] who informed me that a since deceased relation was the
Czars *treasurer* - so I  assumed maybe  this was the person of whom
my mother was referring to. However another of my my DNA connections
also relates to a family /SCHNIER/ so maybe it was the dentist!
However according to Google --Sergei Kostritsky was his dentist but no
DNA correlation
  Who knows ? If only we could find a definitive list of those who
worked for the Czar.

I would be grateful for any further info
David Barrett


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

Jules Levin
 

Living outside the Pale is post facto.  How they got there is the
interesting question.  They needed the wealth first.

Jules Levin


On 10/14/2020 11:14 AM, btkerman via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
The talltale in my family is that an ancestor tutored the Czar's
daughter. In truth it was probably a local gentile nobleman and that's
most likely the case in other stories of Jewish interaction with the
Czar. Of course stories where the Jew was employed for something  of
low social standing are easier to believe.
Some hints as to whether there is any truth behind the story can be
found if the family lived in an area that was otherwise exclusive to
gentiles or if they seem to have been of higher class and wealth than
other Jews. But some stories are totally made up.

Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

Jules Levin
 

There are two separate issues here:  1.  Treatment of Jews in the Army
from Alexander II on (I am not talking about the period from Nicholas I
until Alexander II.  Traditionally all conscripts--that is to say, ALL
eligible untitled men in Russia/USSR-- were and are treated badly. 
Privates in the US Army were also forced to polish boots and perhaps
some complained about it later to their children.  (By the way, look at
all the photos of proud young Jewish boys in uniform in the Jewishgen
submitted photos)  In fact my great grandfather (a different one) was a
harness-maker in the Army, a craft which put him in what passed for
middle-class life in the 19th Century.  Jews benefited from army
service, since those that completed service and honorably discharged
were allowed to keep their weapons and could live where they were
discharged, often with minor service appts in their villages, such as
postmaster.  These armed Jews defended shtetles from pogromists, and
were in the first yishuv, defending the pioneers from Arab marauders. 
2.  Jews who provided personal services to the nobility of course could
have direct contact.  Nicholas II's wife Aleksandria the Tsarina
purchased her jewels from a Jewish jeweler.  Providing service to the
upper classes has always provided upward mobility, here in the USA, and
in Tsarist Russia.

Jules Levin


On 10/14/2020 11:05 AM, Michele Lock wrote:

My great grandfather Orel Leybman made boots for the Czar's calvary
officers - as a lowly paid, poorly treated army conscript (oral
history of my grandfather). I have no illusions about the reality of
his time in Lithuania, in contact with anything related to the Czarist
government.
My other great grandfather Chaim Lak ran a dairy farm outside of
Gruzdziai, in the far north of Lithuania. Jews were not allowed to own
farmland, so he most likely leased the land from a noble person, who
owned huge amounts of land. I have found 1848 tax records on Jewishgen
for nearby Joniskis, which list Jewish farmers who leased land from
the Noblewomen Narishkina, or the Nobleman Komar. These Litvak Jews
did not have direct contact with these noble persons - they would have
dealt with estate managers. Just like tenant farmers in England during
the same period in the 1800s - they didn't have personal relationships
with the nearby count or duke or prince - they dealt with estate
managers. Why would it be any different in Lithuania?
On leasing land to harvest lumber or run a sawmill - a common
occupation for Jews in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which
continued into Russian times. Again, the land owned by noble persons
or Polish princes, the leasing done through estate managers, who
sometimes were Jews, sometimes not. This is well detailed in the book
"Money, Power and Influence in Eighteenth Century Lithuania", by the
economic historian Adam Teller. Very worth reading to understand the
limited economic roles that Jews had during this time period.
And last - a friend of mine, whose family hails from tiny Dorohynka in
Ukraine, told me with complete seriousness that her great grandfather
was a musician - and he played for the Czar! Who knew that the Czar
liked Klezmer music, and he'd travel all the way from Saint Petersburg
to Ukraine to enjoy it.

Michele Lock

Alexandria, VA


Brodsky Shor Torah-Frankfurt Printers #records #germany #dna #galicia

Deb Katz
 

As part of researching the ancestries of men in a large J2a Cohanim DNA project, I'm seeking leads to find a torah (scroll or book) that was printed in 1600s Frankfurt by the Shor/Schorr family who were printers there during that time...the lineage migrated to Brody, Galicia by the 1700s and then went on to Zlatapol & Kiev (famous "sugar" Brodskys).  This Torah, which had the names of centuries of Brodsky-Shor first born sons handwritten into it, was in the possession of Leib Brodsky (b.Uman, d. Moscow) and given to his New York cousin Joseph Brodsky ca 1930s to protect it from destruction during WWII.  Now there is no trace of it...so I'm posting here on the remote chance that any of the above rings a bell for anyone.  (I've contacted YIVO etc. but I live far from NY---Pacific Beach CA--- and cannot search places like that in person). If so, please contact me: dnadeb@...   (BTW, if you have a male Brodsky or Shor Cohanim lineage, I'd love to hear from you as well....indeed, if you have done any y-dna testing and know you are of cohanim descent and in haplogroup J2a....you may also find contacting me worth your while!)

Deb Katz


Hungarian Jewish Women in BREMEN & OBERNHEIDE 1944-5 #hungary #holocaust #poland

shaul berger
 

I would like to connect with survivors (and their children) of a group of 500 Hungarian/Slovak jewish women (and 300 jewish women from Lodz). My mother Manci Rachel Aranka Berger (nee Hutter) was part of this group. She arrived with her family to Auschwitz in early June 1944  from Hungary. She and her family were sent by train from Salgotarjan but originally her family lived in Slovakia, south of Rimavska Sobota) . All my family was murdered on arrival and my mother was the only one to survive. The women of this group (most of them 15-30 years old) were sent in late July from Auschwitz to Obernheide (near Bremen) as slave laborers. They did various manual labor tasks such as cleaning up rubble from Bremen streets after Allied air bombings. In early April 1945 they were moved to the Bergen Belsen concentration camp where they were liberated on April 15.

I am trying to learn more about this dark period (I have the book "Women of Obernheide"). . My mother told me about that period but I hope you can help me learn more . Lily Maor z"l who was the chairman of the Obernheide comittee and even organized meetings and a trip to Bremen. There is also memorial in Obernheide with the names of the slave laborers. I would like to get memorial pictures as well as list of names.

Any help will be appreciated. You are welcome to contact me directly by email.

Shaul Berger
California
 
BRUMER, RETTIG, WATTENBERG (Zolkiew, Rawa Russka),
HUTTER, KIFLIG, HERZIG, WATTENBERG (Rimavska Sobota, Jaroslaw, Przemysl, Dobromil),
BERGER & SPITZER (Szecseny, Shirkovce, Prague)
POSNER, LICHTSZAJN (Warsaw), EHRENREICH (Warsaw/Miechow), SCHELL & RIEGER (Gorlice),
NEUMANN, FADENHECHT & NACHT (Buczacz) 


Re: Jews employed by the Czars #russia

binyaminkerman@...
 

The talltale in my family is that an ancestor tutored the Czar's  daughter. In truth it was probably a local gentile nobleman and that's most likely the case in other stories of Jewish interaction with the Czar. Of course stories where the Jew was employed for something  of low social standing are easier to believe.
Some hints as to whether there is any truth behind the story can be found if the family lived in an area that was otherwise exclusive to gentiles or if they seem to have been of higher class and wealth than other Jews. But some stories are totally made up.

Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD

7321 - 7340 of 658719