Re: Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family #general #belarus #unitedkingdom

Rodney Eisfelder

Queensland Death records are meant to show the place of birth.
However, there are no guarantees for a specific certificate. The box might be unreadable, it might be a vague "Russia", or it might be blank.
You can search for (and order) the death certificate of Henry Moses Winston at
I can't find a burial record for him at

A Henry Winston married a Margaret Blanche Hopkins in Queensland in 1934. Electoral Rolls on ancestry show that that Henry Winston was a farmer. I don't know if he was your Henry Winston, but I can't prove that he is not. Margaret Blanche Winston (who died in 1954) is buried at South Brisbane. If that is the correct Henry Winston, then the marriage record might be worth looking at.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: JewishGen Groups: Search Engine Question #names #general

Pieter Hoekstra


Go to the search function on this group and type the name you are interested in. Replace any letter you anticipate could have variation with an asterisk. If you search H*rvit* you get all spelling variations that replace the asterisks. Replacing more letters with an asterisk will broaden your search but yield more results.

Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>

Re: Possible Spam RE: making Donations to a Group in Lithuania (JGFF) #general


The person requesting funds is the son of a Lithuanian Holocaust survivor who lived his life as an artist in Lithuania.  I think that he is naive, but not intentionally scamming anyone. I believe that he is trying to set up a memorial to his father.

I have asked a friend who knows him to let him know that the JGFF is not supposed to be used for fundraising.  But I have not seen any financial records, so I can not say anything about how the funds are being spent.

Hope this helps to put some anxieties to rest.

Peggy Freedman

Re: MEISELS family name from Hungary #hungary

Jackie Shapiro

I have family named HERSKOVITS   from Czechoslovakia --small village of Homonna.  Unusual name so I thought I would ask your connection.  Large family.
Came to US in 1904 and settled in Los Angeles eventually Relatives of Durshlag/Durschlag also.  
My Herskovits family changed name to Hart when becoming a citizen .  
Grandfather--Martin Herskovits/ GMother-- Rosa Durshlag
     Born 1872 Homonne-                     born 1875 -Homonne
Hope you can help
Jackie Shapiro
fellow Hungarian

Zack in San Diego or Los Angeles #usa

Hartley Garshowitz

I am looking for the family of Hershel ZACK, son of Jacob ZACK and Chana 
Elke Garshowitz. He was known as Gregorio in Mexico, where he lived in the 
1920's through 1950's. He had a brother Lloyd (Israel) ZACK, who lived in 
Detroit, and sister Sarah Zack Garshowitz who lived in Hamilton, Ontario. Some
siblings remained in Russia. He had a daughter Rebeca ZACK, who married 
around 1947 in Mexico or Cuba. I do not know her married name. I believe 
at some point Hershel/Gregorio moved to California, where the SSDI shows 
he died in San Diego in 1972. He was married to Julia who died in 1998. They are buried in

Home of Peace Cemetery in San Diego.

Many thanks.

Hartley Garshowitz
Toronto, Canada

searching Garshowitz (Grafskoy, Ekaterinoslav), Borovoy (Krugloe, Mogilev)
Mandel, Tyszler, Cukierman, Klajman (Ozarow, Poland)




Re: Kaplan Family from Svislach, Grodno, Russia (Now Belarus) #russia #usa


I have a few Svislach Kaplans in my family tree.

Bracha (Brosza) Burde (born Kaplan) 1896-1942 married Alter Burde 1992-1942

Chaje Sore Kaplan (born Michnovski) 1892-1942 married Nisan Kaplan 1892-1942 with five children.  

They were murdered in the Shoah in 1942 as was the entire Svislach Jewish community.
Anna Kaplan (born Zacuto).  No information about this person other than a reference in the obituary of Etta Kantrovitz (Zacuto) which refers to her sister, Anna Kaplan, in Liverpool.  This would make her a daughter of Ariel Leib Zacuto.  Estimated birth 1880-1900.

Kind regards,

Charles Joseph

Re: finding PELZEL in Montevideo #general


the name of the street, if it helps, is Cerro Largo.  Nowadays the area is not very nice, to say the least, so I don't think families live there anymore.  I was born in Montevideo (left many years ago) but the name doesn't ring a bell to me.  

best success,
Vivian Silbermann

Re: Lithuanian Telephone Books #lithuania

Alexander Sharon

Compare with situation in prewar Poland.

In 1928, there were only 4 telephone subscribers per 1,000 people. In 1939 - not so much more, because 6.5.
At that time, there were less than nine telephones per 1000 people! Statistically, only a select few could afford their own telephone.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB

Re: JewishGen Groups: Search Engine Question #names #general


I haven't tried it, but you may be able to search the discussions using wildcards for some letters to get a wider response.
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: JewishGen Groups: Search Engine Question #names #general

Alexander Sharon

Peter Hoekstra has already replied correctly. One can only search JGFF database for the family names and towns names. This is a virtual meeting place.
Discussion groups postings are not included.


Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

Re: Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family #general #belarus #unitedkingdom


Dear Aaron,

The website enables you to search for a UK probate record and obtain a copy of the record and of a will, if there is one.  I did a search and found Michael's probate record from 1919 which shows that he died on 23rd October 1918.  I assume you already have a copy of this via Ancestry but if not you can reach it via the above website.

As for vital records, UK birth certificates record both father's and mother's names, but of course that's not much use if Michael was born elsewhere!  Marriage certificates record only the father's name.  It might be worth searching UK newspapers to see if you can find any further information about Michael.

Not sure this helps you much, but good luck in your search!

Kind regards, Philip Tepper (Manchester, UK)

Re: Story about finding oil on family land in Drohobycz #ukraine

Simon Kreindler

Valerie Schatzker's book "The Jewish Oil Magnates of Galicia" is the definitive history of the oil industry in the region, and includes many references to individuals in Drohobycz. I do not see the Ordower family name in the index but the book is incredibly well researched and is well worth having a look at.

Re: Yiddish Question #yiddish

Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir


Vants/ Pl. vantsn means bedbug . I have never heard it used pejoratively for an adult , but I am sure it is possible . My father used to call me " kleyne vantsl "  which would be an affectionate term for "scamp" or "rascal" . 
Vonts pl vontsn  or vontse pl. vontses is whisker, one side of a mustache or a mustache ,  vontselekh being animal whiskers. ( Bienfeld dictionary) 

The reason for the confusion on spelling is that in " Tote-Mome loshn" the a is pronounced as an " o" . So , Vonts and vants would be homonyms. I noticed that Jews in London who were not all from Bessarabia/Moldava/Romania where that pronunciation was prevalent still said "Shobbos", "Khole" (Challah )  and "Khosn-Kole" ( Khosn-Kale-bride and groom) . but also the Polish " baygl"
instead of "beigel" . Gey veys! ( who knows why lit. Go, know ) So the writer may have heard the expression 'vonts" from a Bessarabian speaker or from someone who may have picked it up from a Bessarabian . 

As for the theory that the writer actually heard "shvants" which is literally a tail but is vulgarly used to refer to the male organ and disparagingly  used ( shvantz or dim. shventsl )  for a  " stupid bastard" . ( Bienfeld dictionary ) .Interestingly , shvantsevate (vulg.) means "damn stupid" (Bienfeld )

I still go with the theory that the writer actually heard "vants" pronounced as "vonts"  !

Henry H. Carrey

Re: List of holocaust survivors who immigrated to Israel and died in Independence War #holocaust

Rose Feldman

There are those new immigrants who were killed in the War of Independence of Israel and little is known about them. There is a group called in Hebrew - Latet Panim Le-noflim -   Giving a Face to the Fallen. There is an English version.  They are looking for information and pictures of those soldiers that little is known about them.  If you have such a relative - please help them.  The information and picture are then to the website for fallen soldiers.
ארגון המתנדבים 'לתת פנים לנופלים', שמטרתו הנצחת חללי מערכות ישראל, עוסק בין השאר, בהשלמת פרטי חייהם של חללי מערכות ישראל, שמצבותיהם חסרות מידע וקורות חייהם לא ידועים, זאת מתוך כוונה, להשלים את חוב הזיכרון שאנו חבים, לאלו ...



Rose Feldman
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Help us index more records at
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Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year

Re: List of holocaust survivors who immigrated to Israel and died in Independence War #holocaust

Dahn Cukier

If the person died while serving, he should

Dahn Cukier

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

On Friday, October 23, 2020, 7:04:01 PM GMT+3, dasw5 via <> wrote:

I saw an article that mentioned a list of holocaust survivors who died in Israel Independence War. Does anyone know where to access this list?

Hadassah Wilen

Flohr - Suceava, Vienna
Schachter - Iassi, Suceava
Wilensky - Mir, Lyubcha, Karolichy - Belarus
Trembitsky/Trembitski - Turetz, Mir - Belarus

Re: Story about finding oil on family land in Drohobycz #ukraine

Pieter Hoekstra


You would be best guided to contact the oil ministry in Ukraine if you want specific information.

Here is some historical background you might already know.



Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>

Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family #general #belarus #unitedkingdom

Aaron Slotnik

Hello Genners,

I'm not very familiar with researching in England or Australia and am reaching out for assistance trying to find some particular information about the family of a Michael (Chaim Chaikel) WEINSTEIN (abt. 1849 - 1918) of London.  He had a number of children and his descendants are fairly well documented, including by the late Ruth Silver and others.  Per his tombstone in Edmonton cemetery, his father's Hebrew name was Baruch.  However, I am trying to learn his mother's name and where he was born and/or lived prior to emigrating to London.

I have found the family in the UK Census from 1881 through 1911, as well as a number of vital records on JewishGen.  The 1891 census notes that he was from "Gronner" which the family believes to be Grodno; however, I think it is referring to Grodno gubernia and not Grodno city as I'm unable to find him in the 1858 Revision List for Grodno on JewishGen.  I hope to identify the specific town.

My understanding is that UK vital records don't have mother's names on them, is that correct?  Any other avenues to try to learn his mother's name?  I found a reference to a Probate document on Ancestry for Michael when he died in 1918 ( which may hold promise for learning other information, perhaps leading to other clues.  Is anyone familiar with the process to get a copy of that document?

Another idea that I had to learn where they were from is to research his oldest children who were born in 'Russia'.  The best candidate seems to be his oldest son Harry (Henry) Moses Weinstein (Winston) born about 1872 and died in 1955 in South Brisbane, Australia.  Might there be Australian records that would have his specific town of birth?

Michael apparently had a brother named Simon who also emigrated to and lived in London with his wife Fanny and family who I found in the 1891 and 1901 Census but it seems less is known about him and, for the same reason as for Michael, I don't see an alternative to learn his mother's name or where he was from.  Simon wasn't present in either census entry and appears to have died between 1891 and 1901.

I would be happy to hear any other alternative suggestions.  Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide!

Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL USA

Re: JewishGen Groups: Search Engine Question #names #general

Adam Cherson

Thanks for the information. I probably wasn't clear enough in my question. What I am asking about i searches within the current and archived posts on this group discussion board. I do not believe that these posts are included in the Universal Search from the main JewishGen site. So this is a separate and apart database using a different search engine. So my question is whether there is a way to apply these search rules to the posts in this discussion board. This is an important question because it affects whether I need to include various spellings of the names in my posts or I can rely on the soundex. Thanks, Adam Cherson

Re: JewishGen Groups: Search Engine Question #names #general

Pieter Hoekstra


I have copied and pasted the explanation directly from Jewishgen as below. In this case they describe searching options for a town. The Surname search also has options for Phonetic and for DM Soundex.

Searching 'Hurwitz' in the Surname option DM Soundex will produce results for spelling variations including 'Horvits'.

Search types:

For each search, you can choose one of four different types of matching, for Surnames and Town names:

  • Is Exactly (Standard) — match on exact spelling only
  • Starts With (Wildcard) — match based upon a prefix
  • Sounds Like (D-M Soundex) — match based upon a name's sound
  • Contains (Partial Text) — match based upon text matching anywhere within a name

Is Exactly:

Selecting the Is Exactly option will search for all instances of your surname or town based upon exact spelling only.  For Surnames, this option is not very useful, since surnames were rarely spelled consistently in historical records.  For Towns, you can also opt to use the Town Synonym database, if a specific country is chosen.

Starts With:

Selecting the Starts With option will let you search for all combinations of your surname or town based upon your input prefix.  For example, selecting the Starts With option for the name "Stein" will match all names that start with the letters "Stein", such as: "Stein", "Steinberg", "Steiner", "Steinman", etc.

Sounds Like:

Selecting the Sounds Like option will let you search for all similar-sounding names, according to the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex system.  For example, "Rosenstein", "Rozenstine" and "Rojzensztejn" will all be searched if you request a Sounds Like search of "Rosensteen".


Selecting the Contains option will let you search for all data records which contain that text anywhere within the surname or town field.  For example, selecting the Contains option for the name "Blatt" will match "Blatt", "Blattman", "Blattenberg", "Feinblatt", "Greenblatt", "Steinblatter", etc.

Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>

Story about finding oil on family land in Drohobycz #ukraine

John Lowin

I have family Ordower, in Drohobycz and have a story that the first oil was found on one of our family member's land. How might I verify this information.

Thank you.

John Lowin
Researching: Radziechow, Vienna and Munich.

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